Why wasn't Duke Williams active?

[One Buffalo]

 

 

[Dopey]

4 minutes ago, One Buffalo said:

 

 

Terrific mindset. Keep working at it. If not called upon, it won't be due to lack of effort. He seems to be taking it better than some here at TBD.

Edited December 20, 2019 by Dopey

[Formerly Allan in MD]

I have a feeling Duke is being punished for something.

[DJB]

1 minute ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

I have a feeling Duke is being punished for something.

 

Probably for catching the ball when its thrown to him

[Sundancer]

21 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yet he's out produced Foster, Roberts, and Smith in just 3 appearances.  So theres that.

 

Trivia time:  Who amongst these names ran a perfect route and caught a game winning TD and help us get to 10 wins?

A.  Foster

B.  Smith

C.  Duke

D.  Roberts

 

Trivia time #2:  Who has more catches?

A.  Foster

B.  Duke

C.  Roberts

D.  Smith

 

Duke, in just 3 active games has the same amount of catches on the season as Foster and Roberts have COMBINED.  He also has a game winning TD.  

 

Sorry, all your comments and your conquest against Duke have no merit.  You can literally yell 7 attempts in 118 snaps, yet that is still out performing Foster and Roberts COMBINED on the season.  Not to mention a game winning TD to help us actually WIN a game.  Something Foster, Smith, and Roberts have yet to do.  Smith has actually worked hard to lose us games with his penalties.  

 

PS:  Duke is a better blocker than Foster and Roberts too.  This conquest against him in favor of 2 players NOT producing is utterly comical.  

 

I would bet big money the reason Duke isnt active is because Daboll is stubborn.  He prefers to force his system, which favors small gadget players, than alter it to utilize personnel and size.  Its also why we aren't seeing more 2 TE sets with Knox and Kroft.  

 

Clearly the Bills coaches are holding him out because he's so good. They are punishing the fans.

[PetermansRedemption]

I find myself hoping for a WR injury outside of Brown or Beasley. Just so they are forced to play Duke. McKenzie or Foster, where is the shower mat?

Just now, Sundancer said:

 

Clearly the Bills coaches are holding him out because he's so good. They are punishing the fans.

Love when fans act like the coaches know all and can never possibly make a mistake.... Tolbert. 

[Alphadawg7]

5 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

Clearly the Bills coaches are holding him out because he's so good. They are punishing the fans.

Guess you didn’t read the last paragraph.  

[Don Otreply]

42 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

Clearly the Bills coaches are holding him out because he's so good. They are punishing the fans.

So in other words you got nothing, when presented with player production numbers. Just sayin...?

 

10-4 baby!

 

Go Bills!!!

[Alphadawg7]

Someone explain to me why they don't want Duke active over one of these 3.  I dont want to hear anything about the coaches.  I want to know why you as individual would rather mock Duke and keep all 3 of these guys active over him.  

 

Duke:  (In ONLY 3 games active)  6 rec on 7 targets and a TD.

 

Season totals for the following players:

Foster:  3 rec, 0 TD

Roberts: 3 rec, 0 TD 

Smith:  4 rec, 0 TD

 

More facts:  Duke is bigger, more physical, has better hands, and is a better blocker.  People say he cant get open, yet he has more catches and a game winning TD in substantially less opportunities than the guys above.  So that cant be the answer.  

 

So just looking at the above, how is there not 100% support to make Duke active over any one of those 3 players above?  Not like anyone is claiming that Duke will lead the team in receiving.  But those of us who would like to see Duke active are saying we are getting nothing out of those 3 guys while we did get something out of Duke in much fewer opportunities.  Why not activate him and see if we can get more again out of him than we are getting out of those guys doing nothing.

 

Our top 3 WR's average 5'10" and barely over 180 pounds.  How can anyone not want to sit one of our NON productive guys for a guy who is hungry, the team rallies behind (see team reaction on TD), who is actually a big target for Josh, and will be able to help our run game more with his ability to block?  Makes no sense what so ever IMO.  

Edited December 20, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[MDH]

3 hours ago, Buggyfresh said:

Roberts is perfect for the kick return and the here and there 10+ yard catches. Foster has done nothing (since Allen is struggling with the long ball) get rid of him and bring in Duke. McKenzie is quick and useful with the trick plays and quick pitches and occasional pass catch.

 

Foster is a gunner on ST. That, all by itself, is more important than anything Duke can bring to the table. 

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, MDH said:

 

Foster is a gunner on ST. That, all by itself, is more important than anything Duke can bring to the table. 

 

More important than the game winning TD catch?  Find that hard to believe, especially since I dont see Foster doing much on ST that isnt replaceable by someone else.

[John from Riverside]

8 minutes ago, MDH said:

 

Foster is a gunner on ST. That, all by itself, is more important than anything Duke can bring to the table. 

it most certainly is not

[Dopey]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yet he's out produced Foster, Roberts, and Smith in just 3 appearances.  So theres that.

 

Trivia time:  Who amongst these names ran a perfect route and caught a game winning TD and help us get to 10 wins?

A.  Foster

B.  Smith

C.  Duke

D.  Roberts

 

Trivia time #2:  Who has more catches?

A.  Foster

B.  Duke

C.  Roberts

D.  Smith

 

Duke, in just 3 active games has the same amount of catches on the season as Foster and Roberts have COMBINED.  He also has a game winning TD.  

 

Sorry, all your comments and your conquest against Duke have no merit.  You can literally yell 7 attempts in 118 snaps, yet that is still out performing Foster and Roberts COMBINED on the season.  Not to mention a game winning TD to help us actually WIN a game.  Something Foster, Smith, and Roberts have yet to do.  Smith has actually worked hard to lose us games with his penalties.  

 

PS:  Duke is a better blocker than Foster and Roberts too.  This TSW conquest against him in favor of 2 WRs NOT producing is utterly comical to me.

 

I would bet big money the reason Duke isnt active is because Daboll is stubborn.  He prefers to force his system, which favors small gadget players, rather than alter it to utilize personnel and size.  Its also why we aren't seeing more 2 TE sets with Knox and Kroft.  

I can yell about the 7 attempts, you're right. I can also state that in 2 years in the CFL, he was targeted 235 times and 101 of those attempts fell incomplete. He had the worst % of catches per attempt on his team in his time up there. Can't blame the qb on all of those if Duke can go get contested balls or catches anything in his area. Couldn't find stats on drops for the CFL. I'm assuming of those 101 incompletions, some were drops, some were contested and some were in his huge catch radius. They just don't show up on highlight videos posted here. In previous threads, highlight videos of Duke have been posted. I wanna see the video of all those incomplete passes. 101 incomplete vs CFL DB's, with a running start before the snap. In addition to that, coach McD and Dabol see him a lot more than us. He got his chance and his best effort resulted in 4 catches for 29 yds. I know, I know, that TD. Yes, keeping our special teams together is more important than calling him up. The coaching staff that has us in the playoffs 2 out of 3 years agrees and that is good enough for me. 

[MDH]

26 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

it most certainly is not

 

Hmm, John from Riverside or coach McDermott, who has more information and experience to make the correct decision?

 

 

Edited December 20, 2019 by MDH

[John from Riverside]

I am a coach McD fan....but I certainly dont agree with everything he does

[MDH]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

More important than the game winning TD catch?  Find that hard to believe, especially since I dont see Foster doing much on ST that isnt replaceable by someone else.

 

 

Add to his being a gunner on ST and his speed on the outside bring a safety over and opening up things in the middle for Beasley or a TE in addition to the what, 3 deep ball PI calls he’s drawn this year.

 

Yeah, Foster, easily, brings more value to the Bills.

Edited December 20, 2019 by MDH

[PetermansRedemption]

The real question is, if they were never going to use him, why did they promote him? Send him back to the practice squad. Or they should have left him there. I think the main point people are making is, why? Why did they bring him up, activate him, have him not harm the team, and then never play him again. He has one of TWO touchdowns caught by a receiver whose last name does not start with B this season.  

Edited December 20, 2019 by PetermansRedemption

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Someone explain to me why they don't want Duke active over one of these 3.  I dont want to hear anything about the coaches.  I want to know why you as individual would rather mock Duke and keep all 3 of these guys active over him.  

 

Duke:  (In ONLY 3 games active)  6 rec on 7 targets and a TD.

 

Season totals for the following players:

Foster:  3 rec, 0 TD

Roberts: 3 rec, 0 TD 

Smith:  4 rec, 0 TD

 

More facts:  Duke is bigger, more physical, has better hands, and is a better blocker.  People say he cant get open, yet he has more catches and a game winning TD in substantially less opportunities than the guys above.  So that cant be the answer.  

 

So just looking at the above, how is there not 100% support to make Duke active over any one of those 3 players above?  Not like anyone is claiming that Duke will lead the team in receiving.  But those of us who would like to see Duke active are saying we are getting nothing out of those 3 guys while we did get something out of Duke in much fewer opportunities.  Why not activate him and see if we can get more again out of him than we are getting out of those guys doing nothing.

 

Our top 3 WR's average 5'10" and barely over 180 pounds.  How can anyone not want to sit one of our NON productive guys for a guy who is hungry, the team rallies behind (see team reaction on TD), who is actually a big target for Josh, and will be able to help our run game more with his ability to block?  Makes no sense what so ever IMO.  

Roberts is an awesome returner , and can catch. He also gets few looks from Allen.

 Foster has great speed and might well develop if Allen could get the ball in his hands.

Mac was used a ton early in the season for sweeps and such things.

I am a huge Duke fan

 and i do not know why Daboll does the things he does.

But we are 10-4. so i try not to get overly critical of week to week matchups and who is dressed etc.

I would have played heavy packages and possession Offense l against Ravens, so what do i know  LOL

1 minute ago, PetermansRedemption said:

The real question is, if they were never going to use him, why did they promote him? Send him back to the practice squad. Or they should have left him there. I think the main point people are making is, why? Why did they bring him up, activate him, have him not harm the team, and then never play him again. 

strikes an odd sounding chord doesn't it ?
 you have a very good point.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, MDH said:

 

 

Add to his being a gunner on ST and his speed on the outside bring a safety over and opening up things in the middle for Beasley or a TE in addition to the what, 3 deep ball PI calls he’s drawn this year.

 

Yeah, Foster, easily, brings more value to the Bills.

We don’t need three WRs to bring the safety over.  Brown and McKenzie are fast too.
 

Foster brings more value?  3 catches on the season is value?  How many receptions do our TE’s have because of Foster?  Come on, they are barely registering in the stat sheet themselves, and the production they do have wasn’t the result of Foster being on the field. 

This was just a puzzling answer to me.  I was a big supporter of Foster, but let’s face it, he has been less valuable than Lee Smith this season so far who has one more catch than him and at least comes in on blocking assignments on down and short plays.  

 

[Livinginthepast]

5 hours ago, Dopey said:

Clarity?! He's been inactive and not showing up on the injury reports. It can't get much clearer.  90% on 7 attempts, in 118 snaps. He was thrown to 7 times in 118 snaps! Maybe he's not able to get open enough to tale a roster spot.

There's been no clarity whatsoever FROM THE COACHES on why they haven't used him, Only guesses from Bills beat reporters. It might be nice to explain why a player who performed when you used him was dropped (seemingly permanently) and his replacements have sputtered or been a non factor.

[Don Otreply]

I too am a big McDermott fan, but It certainly is odd that they won’t use him, even though he has proved more useful than guys they are putting on the field every game... Oh well, guess I will have to live with Sean’s failing on this issue, ?

 

Go Bills!!!

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, Buggyfresh said:

When and where? Do you have links? I have never heard one report of anyone associated with the Bills saying “he sucks” all though I have heard the reason they are playing players such as Foster and McKenzie over him are due to them wanting more speed and wanting the offense to run quicker. I have not heard one bad thing said about him and I watch Bills one drive and Good Morning Football every day and listen to multiple podcasts.

no, they don’t say “he sucks”,they phrase it this way (every week):  “Duke Williams Inactive”.

 

come on...this team has a handful of passing TDS over the past 4 weeks.  Their receivers drop a ton of balls.  And yet Williams can’t get on the field. 
 

they never “said” Zay, or Benjamin sucked but it’s obvious they concluded this.  

[Yav]

Maybe they want him for this NE so there is no tape on him? Maybe they want him for playoffs? Maybe he’s not working hard in practice and not earning a spot? 

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I am a coach McD fan....but I certainly dont agree with everything he does

meh. You also thought our WRs would be good last year. Sooooo

[MDH]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

We don’t need three WRs to bring the safety over.  Brown and McKenzie are fast too.
 

Foster brings more value?  3 catches on the season is value?  How many receptions do our TE’s have because of Foster?  Come on, they are barely registering in the stat sheet themselves, and the production they do have wasn’t the result of Foster being on the field. 

This was just a puzzling answer to me.  I was a big supporter of Foster, but let’s face it, he has been less valuable than Lee Smith this season so far who has one more catch than him and at least comes in on blocking assignments on down and short plays.  

 

 

I also think Duke brings near zero value. So yeah, Foster isn't super productive but between his ST value (where Duke has zero) and his deep threat value, it's more than Duke's value Imo. Duke has a good catch radius and is pretty good with contested balls but is a threat nowhere past 10 yards down the field and struggles to gain any separation. To me, fans like him because when they see him he makes plays, but they aren't watching him on all the balls that aren't going his way, which is 97% of the plays. He adds near zero value on any of those plays. And despite what fans think, those plays matter too.

 

EDIT: I'll also add that this week, when the Bills are likely to see a ton of cover 0, Foster is a must field. Despite Josh's struggles, the best way to stop cover 0 is throwing it deep outside. Foster gives the Bills that option. Hit a couple of those and they'll quickly abandon cover 0.

Edited December 21, 2019 by MDH

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

I too am a big McDermott fan, but It certainly is odd that they won’t use him, even though he has proved more useful than guys they are putting on the field every game... Oh well, guess I will have to live with Sean’s failing on this issue, ?

 

Go Bills!!!

ouch

16 minutes ago, MDH said:

 

I also think Duke brings near zero value. So yeah, Foster isn't super productive but between his ST value (where Duke has zero) and his deep threat value, it's more than Duke's value Imo. Duke has a good catch radius and is pretty good with contested balls but is a threat nowhere past 10 yards down the field and struggles to gain any separation. To me, fans like him because when they see him he makes plays, but they aren't watching him on all the balls that aren't going his way, which is 97% of the plays. He adds near zero value on any of those plays. And despite what fans think, those plays matter too.

 

EDIT: I'll also add that this week, when the Bills are likely to see a ton of cover 0, Foster is a must field. Despite Josh's struggles, the best way to stop cover 0 is throwing it deep outside. Foster gives the Bills that option. Hit a couple of those and they'll quickly abandon cover 0.

if only Josh hit just one of those.

as soon as you miss it? Def loads the box, and game gets ugly

just ask Josh

[Alphadawg7]

9 minutes ago, MDH said:

 

I also think Duke brings near zero value. So yeah, Foster isn't super productive but between his ST value (where Duke has zero) and his deep threat value, it's more than Duke's value Imo. Duke has a good catch radius and is pretty good with contested balls but is a threat nowhere past 10 yards down the field and struggles to gain any separation. To me, fans like him because when they see him he makes plays, but they aren't watching him on all the balls that aren't going his way, which is 97% of the plays. He adds near zero value on any of those plays. And despite what fans think, those plays matter too.

 

EDIT: I'll also add that this week, when the Bills are likely to see a ton of cover 0, Foster is a must field. Despite Josh's struggles, the best way to stop cover 0 is throwing it deep outside. Foster gives the Bills that option. Hit a couple of those and they'll quickly abandon cover 0.

Duke is a way better blocker than Foster.  That’s has more value on plays he’s not being targeted than having Foster run the same decoy route McKenzie can run too.  
 

And Duke was targeted more frequently than Foster and has double the production in just 3 games.  
 

And sorry...the separation thing is so over exaggerated.  He got separation plenty of times, including on a game winning TD.  He wouldn’t be on the 53 if he couldn’t get separation.  Don’t know why people keep making this false claim.  You don’t need 4.45 speed to get separation.  
 

In fact, 40 time speed has almost nothing to do with separation.  But people here just say he can’t because they quote his 40 time.  And most importantly, the value of a guy like Duke is that he can be open and a target in tight coverage or highly contested situations, especially in the Redzone and near the goal line where many throws are high point throws, fades, and back shoulders too.  

Foster brings no value there, you know the area of the field you score points.  Duke can be a target there and also block for runs, screens or QB runs too.  

[MDH]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

And sorry...the separation thing is so over exaggerated.  He got separation plenty of times, including on a game winning TD.  He wouldn’t be on the 53 if he couldn’t get separation.  Don’t know why people keep making this false claim.  You don’t need 4.45 speed to get separation.  
 

 

 

No, you need route running. You need to understand leverage. You need more than just speed, though that helps.

 

If he could get separation on a regular basis he'd be on the active roster every single week. Every week. You must think McDermott is an idiot if he has a big, sure handed WR who gets regular separation yet he keeps him on the bench.

 

Imo you dramatically overvalue how good Duke is. There's nothing I can say to you that will convince you.

 

I will say this, with more experience Duke can become a productive WR. Get better at routes and body control and I could see him being productive in the future. Obviously the coaching staff doesn't think he's there yet.

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, NoSaint said:

meh. You also thought our WRs would be good last year. Sooooo

I was wrong about zay and foster

 

happy?

[NoSaint]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I was wrong about zay and foster

 

happy?

don’t forget about Benjamin! 

[transplantbillsfan]

At this point I don't think Duke will be active the rest of this season or in the playoffs.

 

Basically, I don't think we see Duke play another meaningful game with Buffalo.

 

Daboll clearly thinks he doesn't fit in his offense. Right or wrong, I'm sure that's what he thinks.

 

I don't personally agree. I think a hungry big bodied WR with reliable hands who is a good run blocker is a young QB's best friend in ANY offense, but Daboll is our OC, not me.

 

I think we've seen Duke take his last snap with the Bills barring injury or an EXTREMELY outside shot that Duke Williams is the proverbial rabbit Daboll is waiting to pull out of his hat for the right game, which would only really either be tomorrow or the 1st playoff game... but I just kinda doubt it.

Edited December 21, 2019 by transplantbillsfan

[Alphadawg7]

16 minutes ago, MDH said:

 

No, you need route running. You need to understand leverage. You need more than just speed, though that helps.

 

If he could get separation on a regular basis he'd be on the active roster every single week. Every week. You must think McDermott is an idiot if he has a big, sure handed WR who gets regular separation yet he keeps him on the bench.

 

Imo you dramatically overvalue how good Duke is. There's nothing I can say to you that will convince you.

 

I will say this, with more experience Duke can become a productive WR. Get better at routes and body control and I could see him being productive in the future. Obviously the coaching staff doesn't think he's there yet.

This is where you are wrong, in fairness with me at least.  I am not over valuing Duke.  I am assigning him some value where guys like Foster are providing no value.  
 

If Duke averages 2 rec a game and gets 1 TD every 3 games, then that’s substantially more value than Foster, Smith or Roberts have provided.  I like Roberts, so not trying to pick on him because at least he has some value as a KR although it’s been a bit disappointing this year, but i think that’s more on our blocking more than him.

 

And Duke IS averaging 2 rec a game and one TD every 3 games like I said above.
 

You see I am not over valuing him, I am saying he’s done more in less opportunities.  He has provided more value already.  I will take that over no value any day of the week.

 

But if anyone speaks up for Duke, you guys over exaggerate it as if we claim he’s our savior.  All we are saying is it would be nice to have a WR for those tight spaces and tough yards a few times a game.  Our top 3 guys average 5’10” and 180ish pounds.  We got a monster for a QB, give him one big WR for those spots where one is useful.

 

I was very high on Foster after last year, but the reality is the staff has lost faith in him or he’s severely regressed (or both)...so if he’s not gonna do anything, activate the guy who is hungry and physical out there who can also help our run game with his blocking.

Edited December 21, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[Livinginthepast]

8 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

But you didn't state and option you stated" I don't understand the logic of keeping Duke inactive when he could be improving this receiving corps right now."   That sounds like you are stating a fact to me.  And yes you are correct  too that you don't know what the coaches think, but expecting them to make some type of statement to the fan base is insane.  When someone has only caught a total of 6 passes, to state he has caught 90% is not very statistically valid if you actually understand statistics.

Ok lets just go through this. You quoted me and bolded my "opinion" statement, then pretentiously said:

 

"so  your comments are really based on nothing more than an opinion based on little facts compared to the knowledge the Bills coaches have of the situation" 

 

Now you respond with the above and say " But you didn't state and option you stated". ??

 

I assume you meant to type OPINION not option. So my original statement you called an OPINION  isn't an opinion now?   I was asserting a fact?  huh? Make up your mind and WTF Dude, who cares either way? I have an opinion and you can have an opinion, that's the beauty of this forum. But you couldn't leave it at that. You follow up with  two pieces of brilliance:

 

"but expecting them to make some type of statement to the fan base is insane." So expecting the coaches or the GM of a pro sports franchise to comment on player personnel decisions is "insane". These guys literally do this multiple times on a daily basis. They constantly update the status of players, injuries, firings, cuts and signings. So yes it might be nice to explain why a productive player isn't being used in a inconsistent offense.

 

then you conclude with this MENSA special: 

 

"When someone has only caught a total of 6 passes, to state he has caught 90% is not very statistically valid if you actually understand statistics." 

 

Its not statistically valid? Huh? According to Pro Football Reference.com, Duke has been TARGETTED (ie thrown to) 7 times in 3 games. He CAUGHT 6 of the 7 passes thrown his way. One of them was TD.   That works out to 86% of his passes caught (I was a whopping 4% off) . Please explain how this "not very statistically valid"? Is your math different from the rest of us? Its not like he was thrown to once!  He's only been given a shot in 3 games  (one of which he got hurt in). But apparently I just don't "understand"  how stats work?

 

Perhaps if Duke played more and started the season on the active roster we would have a true judgement on him and he would have more targets but he hasn't been given the chance and no reason has been clearly explained as to why.  I just don't understand the illogical hatred of some in TBD of player who won us a game this year and has been strangely not allowed to contribute when he has shown he can perform. 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 21, 2019 by Livinginthepast

[JoPoy88]

18 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

Ok lets just go through this. You quoted me and bolded my "opinion" statement, then pretentiously said:

 

"so  your comments are really based on nothing more than an opinion based on little facts compared to the knowledge the Bills coaches have of the situation" 

 

Now you respond with the above and say " But you didn't state and option you stated". ??

 

I assume you meant to type OPINION not option. So my original statement you called an OPINION  isn't an opinion now?   I was asserting a fact?  huh? Make up your mind and WTF Dude, who cares either way? I have an opinion and you can have an opinion, that's the beauty of this forum. But you couldn't leave it at that. You follow up with  two pieces of brilliance:

 

"but expecting them to make some type of statement to the fan base is insane." So expecting the coaches or the GM of a pro sports franchise to comment on player personnel decisions is "insane". These guys literally do this multiple times on a daily basis. They constantly update the status of players, injuries, firings, cuts and signings. So yes it might be nice to explain why a productive player isn't being used in a inconsistent offense.

 

then you conclude with this MENSA special: 

 

"When someone has only caught a total of 6 passes, to state he has caught 90% is not very statistically valid if you actually understand statistics." 

 

Its not statistically valid? Huh? According to Pro Football Reference.com, Duke has been TARGETTED (ie thrown to) 7 times in 3 games. He CAUGHT 6 of the 7 passes thrown his way. One of them was TD.   That works out to 86% of his passes caught (I was a whopping 4% off) . Please explain how this "not very statistically valid"? Is your math different from the rest of us? Its not like he was thrown to once!  He's only been given a shot in 3 games  (one of which he got hurt in). But apparently I just don't "understand"  how stats work?

 

Perhaps if Duke played more and started the season on the active roster we would have a true judgement on him and he would have more targets but he hasn't been given the chance and no reason has been clearly explained as to why.  I just don't understand the illogical hatred of some in TBD of player who won us a game this year and has been strangely not allowed to contribute when he has shown he can perform. 

 

 

 

 

the sample size is too small, that’s why people are saying it’s not statistically valid. Numbers are hard dude

[Livinginthepast]

4 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

the sample size is too small, that’s why people are saying it’s not statistically valid. Numbers are hard dude

So apparently is reading my post and seeing where I addressed that.  The stats only tell us what he has done in his targets. Nobody is saying he's going to catch 90% of targets over the course of the season. But we don't know what he might have accomplished and probably wont ever know now. That's a shame.  but hey keep that hate on!

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

31 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

Ok lets just go through this. You quoted me and bolded my "opinion" statement, then pretentiously said:

 

"so  your comments are really based on nothing more than an opinion based on little facts compared to the knowledge the Bills coaches have of the situation" 

 

Now you respond with the above and say " But you didn't state and option you stated". ??

 

I assume you meant to type OPINION not option. So my original statement you called an OPINION  isn't an opinion now?   I was asserting a fact?  huh? Make up your mind and WTF Dude, who cares either way? I have an opinion and you can have an opinion, that's the beauty of this forum. But you couldn't leave it at that. You follow up with  two pieces of brilliance:

 

"but expecting them to make some type of statement to the fan base is insane." So expecting the coaches or the GM of a pro sports franchise to comment on player personnel decisions is "insane". These guys literally do this multiple times on a daily basis. They constantly update the status of players, injuries, firings, cuts and signings. So yes it might be nice to explain why a productive player isn't being used in a inconsistent offense.

 

then you conclude with this MENSA special: 

 

"When someone has only caught a total of 6 passes, to state he has caught 90% is not very statistically valid if you actually understand statistics." 

 

Its not statistically valid? Huh? According to Pro Football Reference.com, Duke has been TARGETTED (ie thrown to) 7 times in 3 games. He CAUGHT 6 of the 7 passes thrown his way. One of them was TD.   That works out to 86% of his passes caught (I was a whopping 4% off) . Please explain how this "not very statistically valid"? Is your math different from the rest of us? Its not like he was thrown to once!  He's only been given a shot in 3 games  (one of which he got hurt in). But apparently I just don't "understand"  how stats work?

 

Perhaps if Duke played more and started the season on the active roster we would have a true judgement on him and he would have more targets but he hasn't been given the chance and no reason has been clearly explained as to why.  I just don't understand the illogical hatred of some in TBD of player who won us a game this year and has been strangely not allowed to contribute when he has shown he can perform. 

 

 

 

 

 

So are you saying if he was targeted 70 times he'd catch 60?  That's why it's not statistically valid, typically the minimum sample size to have any validly is 4, so at 6 it's just over the minimum, not a high degree of confidence its repeatable.    By your standards the best receiver on the team may be Lee Smith as from what I recall he was targeted once and caught it and it even went for a TD.

 

I think there's been a pretty clear reason given why he's not given chances, in the coaches view, the ones who see him every day realize he's not as good as the other WR on the team.   That seems pretty easy to figure out, but you seem to need a better explanation.

 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

don’t forget about Benjamin! 

There were a lot of ppl wrong about Benjamin......I still feel that TYPE of WR is exactly what we need

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

The real question is, if they were never going to use him, why did they promote him? Send him back to the practice squad. Or they should have left him there. I think the main point people are making is, why? Why did they bring him up, activate him, have him not harm the team, and then never play him again. He has one of TWO touchdowns caught by a receiver whose last name does not start with B this season.  

 

They promoted him and gave him an opportunity by playing him for 3 games.  Evidently in those 3 games, he didn't show them enough that they wanted to see, so he hasn't been active since.

 

Why should they leave Duke on the practice squad and make him a Saturday 4 pm decision, when they can allow him to earn more money on the roster and if they want/need they can activate him up to an hour before game time?

 

What would putting him back on the practice squad achieve except to displace someone else and to deprive him of NFL bennies/money?

 

Article about Duke: https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/williams-embracing-his-role-but-confident-and-ready-to-help " I'm just going to continue to do that this offseason, I'm just going to work my ass off, so when I do come back next season, I'll be put in a position to really show what I can do. "

[StHustle]

38 minutes ago, Real McNasty said:

Cause he is not good enough.

 

But how do you come to that conclusion? Because he isnt active or becasue you watched his tape? How do you explain this:

 

Season totals for the following players:
Foster:  3 rec, 0 TD
Roberts: 3 rec, 0 TD 
Lee Smith:  4 rec, 0 TD

 

Nobody can make any intelligent argument that any 3 of these guys has made game changing plays. Roberts simply hasnt done enough on returns to justify his spot. His couple big returns is quite average for a season and he way too often doesnt even make it to the 25 when coming out of the endzone. 

 

Meanwhile...

Duke:  (In his only 3 games played)  6 rec on 7 targets and a GAME WIINNING TD.

[JoPoy88]

6 hours ago, Livinginthepast said:

So apparently is reading my post and seeing where I addressed that.  The stats only tell us what he has done in his targets. Nobody is saying he's going to catch 90% of targets over the course of the season. But we don't know what he might have accomplished and probably wont ever know now. That's a shame.  but hey keep that hate on!

You didn’t address it, you dismissed it. There’s a difference. And there’s no hate on my end - I trust the team AND the team’s coaches. Including the coaches’ decisions on active rosters, etc. so who’s hating? The “shame” belongs entirely to you. ?