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Front office incompetence is going to ruin Darnold just like Rosen

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https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/2019-is-over-stick-a-fork-in-us.93232/page-4

 

"A HR to me this offseason would be improving the OL first and then the secondary. This isn't going to be a quick fix. I expect it to take a couple of years before the Jets can be a Super Bowl contender. Fix the OL and that will help Darnold and Bell which will help us become more competitive. Like everyone else I am tired of 4-12, 5-11 type of seasons. If the Bills can turn it around then why can't the Jets."

 

Saw this post on Gang Green, the Jets version of TBD, after the Jets were beat down by the winless Bengals.  This sounds familiar.  The Bills were in the same boat last off season with sub-par O-line play.  Fortunately, Beane made it a priority to address it during the off season and he has turned a team weakness into a strength and that has allowed Allen to continue to develop. Darnold has not been as lucky.  He is getting hammered in the pocket and running for his life seemingly every snap.  He's going to end up just like Josh Rosen.

 

From a selfish Bills point of view I hope the Jet's management continues to bring in the shiny toys like Le'veon Bell this off season and continues to neglect the O-line.  It's amazing to me that ordinary fans like the Jet's poster above has more insight on how to build a successful football team than the "experts" in the front office of these football franchises. A flashy RB is nice but the O-Line is the engine of any offense.  If you have no O-line, nothing else really matters.  Investing in a "franchise QB" like Darnold and then not making any moves to shore up the bad O-line in front of him is football GM malpractice.   Looking at these Jets fans in purgatory reminds me how lucky we are to finally have a front office that seems to get it, that has a plan, and is systematically working the plan.  

 

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I still remember one Saturday morning in March 2018 when so many TBD'ers went ape-sh** after NYJ sent 3 second rounders to Indianapolis to move up to take Darnold.

 

The demand from a lot of fans that day was Beane "do something" and for some that meant trading from 12 to 2 no matter the cost.  Funny how things play out. :lol:

 

Reminds me of Marv Levy's comment about not listening to the fans because you'll wind up next to them if you do.  

 

 

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Bean had a pretty great offseason got 4 new starters on O-line along with depth and a new O-line coach that's done a great job of getting them in sync. Does the line still need work sure though I think you have to work on it every year but a few more moves and the line could be really good. He also basically reworked the WR and TE rooms and they've improved a good bit from last year. Another offseason with improvement like that and this offense could be really fun to watch.

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OLine is so, so crucial to a football team. I hope Beane continues to add depth and talent there each year, even if it seems like we're set.

 

Engine of the offense indeed.

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Rosen hasn't shown that he has anything worth ruining in the first place. Darnold, on the other hand, has shown clear flashes of his potential.

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People are now giving the front office credit for properly bringing Josh along. In fact Allen against all odds carried the front office.  He was good enough to salvage something from the 2018 season which by all rights should have ruined him. They surrounded him with a receiving corps that included Kelvin Benjamin as a number one, no offensive line, and no quarterback room until half the season was over. 

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1 hour ago, Charles Romes said:

People are now giving the front office credit for properly bringing Josh along. In fact Allen against all odds carried the front office.  He was good enough to salvage something from the 2018 season which by all rights should have ruined him. They surrounded him with a receiving corps that included Kelvin Benjamin as a number one, no offensive line, and no quarterback room until half the season was over. 

 

There is truth in this.

 

However, they did react and attempt to right wrongs in as timely a fashion as they could.  It wasn't their intent for Josh to be starting as soon as he did. This off season, they certainly did their best to get things put right.

4 hours ago, BillsVet said:

I still remember one Saturday morning in March 2018 when so many TBD'ers went ape-sh** after NYJ sent 3 second rounders to Indianapolis to move up to take Darnold.

 

The demand from a lot of fans that day was Beane "do something" and for some that meant trading from 12 to 2 no matter the cost.  Funny how things play out. :lol:

 

Reminds me of Marv Levy's comment about not listening to the fans because you'll wind up next to them if you do.  

 

 

 

True enough.

 

Jest made a great pre-emptive move, that well snookered the Bills.

 

I suspect the thing that didn't cause outright panic, was the fact that the Bills FO knew they wanted Allen, and that they would still get a shot at taking him, without having to move above the Jest.

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6 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/2019-is-over-stick-a-fork-in-us.93232/page-4

 

"A HR to me this offseason would be improving the OL first and then the secondary. This isn't going to be a quick fix. I expect it to take a couple of years before the Jets can be a Super Bowl contender. Fix the OL and that will help Darnold and Bell which will help us become more competitive. Like everyone else I am tired of 4-12, 5-11 type of seasons. If the Bills can turn it around then why can't the Jets."

 

Saw this post on Gang Green, the Jets version of TBD, after the Jets were beat down by the winless Bengals.  This sounds familiar.  The Bills were in the same boat last off season with sub-par O-line play.  Fortunately, Beane made it a priority to address it during the off season and he has turned a team weakness into a strength and that has allowed Allen to continue to develop. Darnold has not been as lucky.  He is getting hammered in the pocket and running for his life seemingly every snap.  He's going to end up just like Josh Rosen.

 

From a selfish Bills point of view I hope the Jet's management continues to bring in the shiny toys like Le'veon Bell this off season and continues to neglect the O-line.  It's amazing to me that ordinary fans like the Jet's poster above has more insight on how to build a successful football team than the "experts" in the front office of these football franchises. A flashy RB is nice but the O-Line is the engine of any offense.  If you have no O-line, nothing else really matters.  Investing in a "franchise QB" like Darnold and then not making any moves to shore up the bad O-line in front of him is football GM malpractice.   Looking at these Jets fans in purgatory reminds me how lucky we are to finally have a front office that seems to get it, that has a plan, and is systematically working the plan.  

 

Jets have had more than their fair share of “great” QBs who never panned out like they hoped, regardless of OL quality. It’s still very early on for Darnold, but I suspect he’s going to be just another in the long line of anointed QB disappointments. When your very best hasn’t played in nearly 50 years, that’s where they’ve really missed the boat, imo.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1079252-new-york-jets-top-7-quarterbacks-in-franchise-history#slide6

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I've been saying this since before that draft, that Darnold is as good as he will ever be. He doesnt have a high ceiling, but he also doesnt have a low floor; he is what he is. 

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Darnold, Mayfield, Rosen, any Bills fan can see, doesn't really matter to me.

 

(it's more fun if you sing this along to the last line of the song in Bohemian Rhapsody)

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4 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

Uhhh, who cares?

Exactly ^^^^ 

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That is what any Bills fan should Hope for, and not just for the Jets.  

 

Go Bills!!!

 

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Good , payback for the cheap hit on Hauschka who has not been the same since. I do not trust Greg Williams for a second.

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I only watched four of five of Darnold’s college games in his last season but the thing I thought, after each one was, “I don’t see the hype.”

 

We got the correct guy. I trust Beane and his staff and they knew/know what they’re doing. 

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Honestly, until Gase and that current regime is gone and maybe even the owner, I think the Jets are screwed. I don't see them being a popular destination for FA's because of all the turmoil, the medical staff, and the way they have handled a multitude of situations with their players. Their drafts have also been quite lackluster for the last handful of years outside of Jamal Adams. They are destined for mediocrity or less at this point. The years with Gase will be wasted years of Darnold when they look back on it all. And on a side note, I hope they give Gase another couple of years. :thumbsup:

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Not trying to be funny -- was it just me or did Darnold's backside look fat on Sunday? He looked out of shape, which is strange. But maybe it's not strange if he's getting wasted after games, as rumored.

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7 hours ago, BillsVet said:

I still remember one Saturday morning in March 2018 when so many TBD'ers went ape-sh** after NYJ sent 3 second rounders to Indianapolis to move up to take Darnold.

 

The demand from a lot of fans that day was Beane "do something" and for some that meant trading from 12 to 2 no matter the cost.  Funny how things play out. :lol:

 

Reminds me of Marv Levy's comment about not listening to the fans because you'll wind up next to them if you do.  

 

 


this is true. 
 

I recall that as clear as day. 
 

and to show how I can’t throw stones, I was really bummed the Bills didn’t take Rosen. Not like mad and wanting Beane to get fired or anything, but if I was in that spot I would have taken Rosen. Now I get nauseous just thinking about that. 

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I think this conversation is a testament to heart and character of Josh Allen, his rookie year he played behind an O line that this year could not even get playing time on another NFL team or aren't even on a roster. Yet he went out every week unfazed and just competed hurling LBs and doing whatever he could to move the sticks and taking that subpar offense on his shoulders. When others like Rosen and Darnolds crawled into a shell JA stood tall, an attribute often over looked. Thankfully Beans cleared money and gave him a real offense, but JA hung in there like few often do.

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8 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/2019-is-over-stick-a-fork-in-us.93232/page-4

 

"A HR to me this offseason would be improving the OL first and then the secondary. This isn't going to be a quick fix. I expect it to take a couple of years before the Jets can be a Super Bowl contender. Fix the OL and that will help Darnold and Bell which will help us become more competitive. Like everyone else I am tired of 4-12, 5-11 type of seasons. If the Bills can turn it around then why can't the Jets."

 

Saw this post on Gang Green, the Jets version of TBD, after the Jets were beat down by the winless Bengals.  This sounds familiar.  The Bills were in the same boat last off season with sub-par O-line play.  Fortunately, Beane made it a priority to address it during the off season and he has turned a team weakness into a strength and that has allowed Allen to continue to develop. Darnold has not been as lucky.  He is getting hammered in the pocket and running for his life seemingly every snap.  He's going to end up just like Josh Rosen.

 

From a selfish Bills point of view I hope the Jet's management continues to bring in the shiny toys like Le'veon Bell this off season and continues to neglect the O-line.  It's amazing to me that ordinary fans like the Jet's poster above has more insight on how to build a successful football team than the "experts" in the front office of these football franchises. A flashy RB is nice but the O-Line is the engine of any offense.  If you have no O-line, nothing else really matters.  Investing in a "franchise QB" like Darnold and then not making any moves to shore up the bad O-line in front of him is football GM malpractice.   Looking at these Jets fans in purgatory reminds me how lucky we are to finally have a front office that seems to get it, that has a plan, and is systematically working the plan. 

 

Somewhere recently there was an interview with Andre Roberts about differences being with the Bills vs the Jets.

He said something like "well, the GM talks to the coach, that didn't happen some other places I've beeen"  Oooooh, 🔥

 

19 minutes ago, twist_to_open said:

I think this conversation is a testament to heart and character of Josh Allen, his rookie year he played behind an O line that this year could not even get playing time on another NFL team or aren't even on a roster. Yet he went out every week unfazed and just competed hurling LBs and doing whatever he could to move the sticks and taking that subpar offense on his shoulders. When others like Rosen and Darnolds crawled into a shell JA stood tall, an attribute often over looked. Thankfully Beans cleared money and gave him a real offense, but JA hung in there like few often do.

 

To be fair to Rosen and Darnold, Allen has tools (mobility) they lack.  It's not like they have Jackson type running abilities but hunkered down and shelled up.  It isn't like Rosen didn't try to move around or run, he just moves like a busted mower in tall grass.

 

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8 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

He's going to end up just like Josh Rosen.

 

Do you really believe that Rosen has not had success because of front office incompetence ?

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