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We have heard a bunch of names for Bills' WR1 even after Brown was signed. Here are the receiving stats through Week 11. Are any of the other guys a clear upgrade over JFB aka "Smoke"?

 

Edit: He is not the 4th in receiving yards. He is 8th. The other 4 in the top 8 were not really talked about on the Bills Boards as possible Bills : Michael Thomas, Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Amari Cooper

 

Edit2: he is #1 in receiving yards in the AFC (thanks youngjebrey for pointing that out)

 

          Receiving Stats Through Week 11            
                             
   
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REC TGTS YDS AVG TD LNG BIG YDS/G FUM LST YAC FD
  10 59 91 882 14.9 4 54 13 88.2 1 0 230 46
  11 46 65 880 19.1 5 66 16 80 4 3 273 30
  10 61 94 845 13.9 5 66 16 84.5 2 0 431 33
  10 56 85 817 14.6 4 40 13 81.7 0 0 163 44
  10 75 104 745 9.9 4 38 9 74.5 0 0 259 47
  10 48 89 692 14.4 1 89 10 69.2 0 0 255 28
  10 57 86 633 11.1 3 33 8 63.3 0 0 146 34
  10 44 64 614 14 5 36 11 61.4 0 0 108 33
  10 40 72 604 15.1 4 50 7 60.4 0 0 158 31
  10 35 64 595 17 5 54 10 59.5 2 2 185 23
  11 46 67 561 12.2 4 53 8 51 0 0 176 29
  10 38 60 524 13.8 3 76 7 52.4 1 1 219 20
  8 40 65 512 12.8 3 68 7 64 2 1 248 21

 

                           
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We have heard a bunch of names for Bills' WR1 even after Brown was signed. Here are the receiving stats through Week 11. Are any of the other guys a clear upgrade over JFB aka "Smoke"?

 

          Receiving Stats Through Week 11            
                             
   
GP
REC TGTS YDS AVG TD LNG BIG YDS/G FUM LST YAC FD
  10 59 91 882 14.9 4 54 13 88.2 1 0 230 46
  11 46 65 880 19.1 5 66 16 80 4 3 273 30
  10 61 94 845 13.9 5 66 16 84.5 2 0 431 33
  10 56 85 817 14.6 4 40 13 81.7 0 0 163 44
  10 75 104 745 9.9 4 38 9 74.5 0 0 259 47
  10 48 89 692 14.4 1 89 10 69.2 0 0 255 28
  10 57 86 633 11.1 3 33 8 63.3 0 0 146 34
  10 44 64 614 14 5 36 11 61.4 0 0 108 33
  10 40 72 604 15.1 4 50 7 60.4 0 0 158 31
  10 35 64 595 17 5 54 10 59.5 2 2 185 23
  11 46 67 561 12.2 4 53 8 51 0 0 176 29
  10 38 60 524 13.8 3 76 7 52.4 1 1 219 20
  8 40 65 512 12.8 3 68 7 64 2 1 248 21
                             

 

Yes - Hopkins and Diggs

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To the doubters, here is a stat I have not seen talked about yet - how important a WR is to a team's total passing offense. Smoke is at 37+%. None of the others are even close. Only Michael Thomas is ahead at 44%. This guy is surefire Pro Bowl worthy and has an outside shot at All-Pro.

 

 
  Receiving Stats Through Week 11  
         
    YDS Team Passing Yards Contribution to Team Passing Yards
  882 3003 29.37%
  880 2598 33.87%
  845 2689 31.42%
  817 2169 37.67%
  745 2395 31.11%
  692 2210 31.31%
  633 1828 34.63%
  614 3003 20.45%
  604 2027 29.80%
  595 2559 23.25%
  561 2066 27.15%
  524 2028 25.84%
  512 3139

16.31%

edit: Adding stats for top 4 guys

 
  1,141 2565 44.48%
  993 2856 34.77%
  887 2856 31.06%
  886 3127 28.33%
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Yes, most are an upgrade based on size alone. That ball that Brown dropped on the crossing route which was "high" for him is comfortably catchable for a non-smurf WR. Additionally, a bigger WR can out-physical the DB for the jump ball on the deep ball which he couldnt get back to.

 

I love Brown and am all for keeping him as WR2, but we need a big, more athletic threat at WR1.

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4 minutes ago, Virgil said:

How did you make this list?  Michael Thomas is missing 

 

Missing a few players on there:  http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=RECEIVING&conference=null&season=2019&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RECEIVING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

 

Still, impressive to Brown (or ANY Bills WR) that high on the list! :beer:

 

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7 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

To the doubters, here is a stat I have not seen talked about yet - how important a WR is to a team's total passing offense. Smoke is at 37+%. None of the others are even close.

 

 
  Receiving Stats Through Week 11  
         
    YDS Team Passing Yards Contribution to Team Passing Yards
  882 3003 29.37%
  880 2598 33.87%
  845 2689 31.42%
  817 2169 37.67%
  745 2395 31.11%
  692 2210 31.31%
  633 1828 34.63%
  614 3003 20.45%
  604 2027 29.80%
  595 2559 23.25%
  561 2066 27.15%
  524 2028 25.84%
  512 3139

16.31%


that could also mean though the Offense is lacking real other options though right?  Without Context In terms where the other WRs are on the team. 
 

look at ATL they have two WRs on this list in both Jones and Ridley. 

7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Yes, most are an upgrade based on size alone. That ball that Brown dropped on the crossing route which was "high" for him is comfortably catchable for a non-smurf WR. Additionally, a bigger WR can out-physical the DB for the jump ball on the deep ball which he couldnt get back to.

 

I love Brown and am all for keeping him as WR2, but we need a big, more athletic threat at WR1.


this. If we have a better WR at No1 imagine what both would look like and the pressure we could put on teams. Get me a combo similar to Jones/Ridley on outside

 

knox at TE similar to a Hooper 

 

and Beasley in the slot and NOW we are talking. 

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Brown was a great signing. He has been an absolute stud this year. My only fear is that teams will soon learn to focus on him as Josh's main outlet and neutralize him or that he gets injured. He really isn't that big a guy and he plays almost every offensive snap. Hopefully he can stay healthy with the amount of pounding he takes on a regular basis.

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8 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

He doesn't, he's currently 8th in the league in receiving yards. Still better than I thought he would do.

 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/stat/receiving/table/receiving/sort/receivingYards/dir/desc

 

He is on pace for 90 catches and 1309 yards...

 

Imagine what those could be if Allen could even be average at hitting deep shots.

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2 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

Brown was a great signing. He has been an absolute stud this year. My only fear is that teams will soon learn to focus on him as Josh's main outlet and neutralize him or that he gets injured. He really isn't that big a guy and he plays almost every offensive snap. Hopefully he can stay healthy with the amount of pounding he takes on a regular basis.

 

They doubled him on that Josh Allen TD run.  corner played under and safety was helping over/middle.  No one was on that side of the field when allen took off.  

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2 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

He is on pace for 90 catches and 1309 yards...

 

Imagine what those could be if Allen could even be average at hitting deep shots.

Let's see how Allen does now that our conservative coach told him to be fearless. I believe a lot of the deep ball problems stem from our coaching staff telling him to be safe with the long ball.

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37 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

We have heard a bunch of names for Bills' WR1 even after Brown was signed. Here are the receiving stats through Week 11. Are any of the other guys a clear upgrade over JFB aka "Smoke"?

 

          Receiving Stats Through Week 11            
                             
   
GP
REC TGTS YDS AVG TD LNG BIG YDS/G FUM LST YAC FD
  10 59 91 882 14.9 4 54 13 88.2 1 0 230 46
  11 46 65 880 19.1 5 66 16 80 4 3 273 30
  10 61 94 845 13.9 5 66 16 84.5 2 0 431 33
  10 56 85 817 14.6 4 40 13 81.7 0 0 163 44
  10 75 104 745 9.9 4 38 9 74.5 0 0 259 47
  10 48 89 692 14.4 1 89 10 69.2 0 0 255 28
  10 57 86 633 11.1 3 33 8 63.3 0 0 146 34
  10 44 64 614 14 5 36 11 61.4 0 0 108 33
  10 40 72 604 15.1 4 50 7 60.4 0 0 158 31
  10 35 64 595 17 5 54 10 59.5 2 2 185 23
  11 46 67 561 12.2 4 53 8 51 0 0 176 29
  10 38 60 524 13.8 3 76 7 52.4 1 1 219 20
  8 40 65 512 12.8 3 68 7 64 2 1 248 21
                             

 

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3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

There were two that were on target yesterday which he got out-positioned on.

 

Plus, it wouldnt be so far over his head if he were taller ??

 

I'm good with what he is...nobody in KC is complaining about Tyreek Hill being too short

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He's had a terrific year. The only WRs that interest me in 2020 free agency are:

 

AJ Green (age 32) and Emmanuel Sanders (33): Because of age and in Green's case injury, could sign to 1-2 year deal and draft a WR in 1st round, either of these guys end up being a short-term solution.

 

Amari Cooper (26) and Robbie Anderson (27): In their primes age-wise, would cost a lot and be a long term commitment. I'm lukewarm on Anderson and Cooper is probably a low probability but I would be good with them breaking the bank for him. Cooper-Brown-Beasley in 2 WR sets would be awesome, then having Singletary out of backfield and hopefully development of Knox at TE then you really have weapons. 

 

But if they got Green for 2 years and hit on a WR in the 1st round that could work too.

 

Devante Parker wouldn't be too bad either, maybe not a true #1 but Parker and Brown as 1B and 1A could be pretty good. 

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2 minutes ago, jwhit34 said:

He's had a terrific year. The only WRs that interest me in 2020 free agency are:

 

AJ Green (age 32) and Emmanuel Sanders (33): Because of age and in Green's case injury, could sign to 1-2 year deal and draft a WR in 1st round, either of these guys end up being a short-term solution.

 

Amari Cooper (26) and Robbie Anderson (27): In their primes age-wise, would cost a lot and be a long term commitment. I'm lukewarm on Anderson and Cooper is probably a low probability but I would be good with them breaking the bank for him. Cooper-Brown-Beasley in 2 WR sets would be awesome, then having Singletary out of backfield and hopefully development of Knox at TE then you really have weapons. 

 

But if they got Green for 2 years and hit on a WR in the 1st round that could work too.

 

Devante Parker wouldn't be too bad either, maybe not a true #1 but Parker and Brown as 1B and 1A could be pretty good. 

 

My Way to early wants for UFA at the position (first I would rather Draft the No1 WR but).....

 

Amari Cooper

 

I guess I could be ok with Green as well (AS long as we Draft that future No 1 WR)

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1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

My Way to early wants for UFA at the position (first I would rather Draft the No1 WR but).....

 

Amari Cooper

 

I guess I could be ok with Green as well (AS long as we Draft that future No 1 WR)

 

Not to sound like a self-loathing Buffalonian, but I dont think there is any chance Cooper chooses to sign with the Bills.

 

He saw the difference being with the right organization makes when he went from the Raiders to the Cowboys. Now, *I* dont think the Bills are any where near as dysfunctional as the Raiders, but I dont expect players to know that.

 

I believe Cooper thinks he's a "big time" player and needs to be on a "big time" franchise.

 

JMO

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Not to sound like a self-loathing Buffalonian, but I dont think there is any chance Cooper chooses to sign with the Bills.

 

He saw the difference being with the right organization makes when he went from the Raiders to the Cowboys. Now, *I* dont think the Bills are any where near as dysfunctional as the Raiders, but I dont expect players to know that.

 

I believe Cooper thinks he's a "big time" player and needs to be on a "big time" franchise.

 

JMO

 

He will play where he gets paid the most.  So if the Bills come with a 19M AVV contract he will be a Bill (which is why I would rather draft my Stud No1 and get the 5 years of cheap contract.  Buying a No1 is expensive

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2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

He will play where he gets paid the most.  So if the Bills come with a 19M AVV contract he will be a Bill (which is why I would rather draft my Stud No1 and get the 5 years of cheap contract.  Buying a No1 is expensive

 

I dont doubt he can be bought. Just that the premium it will cost to get him to Buffalo probably isnt worth it in the long run. Would love to have him tho, and agree with your plan.

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10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

My Way to early wants for UFA at the position (first I would rather Draft the No1 WR but).....

 

Amari Cooper

 

I guess I could be ok with Green as well (AS long as we Draft that future No 1 WR)

Cooper might not even be the best WR on his own team. 

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Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I dont doubt he can be bought. Just that the premium it will cost to get him to Buffalo probably isnt worth it in the long run. Would love to have him tho, and agree with your plan.

 

I mean even look at AJ Green, he is going to cost 17M on his own for a 31 year old WR with big injury History.  I would rather use the Money in UFA to still address the OL, maybe address RB, a CB2 and some defense.  go into the Draft for that Stud WR (they are there)

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Cooper might not even be the best WR on his own team. 

 

I like Gallup as well.  But that is what I am trying to get to.

 

Get me a Stud WR to put on otherside of Brown.  Now you have two top end outside WRs and a Top end Slot in Beasley.

 

If Knox continues to progress you could have that top end TE as well.

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1 hour ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

We have heard a bunch of names for Bills' WR1 even after Brown was signed. Here are the receiving stats through Week 11. Are any of the other guys a clear upgrade over JFB aka "Smoke"?

 

edit: He is not the 4th in receiving yards. He is 8th. The other 4 in the top 8 were not really talked about on the Bills Boards as possible Bills : Michael Evans, Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Amari Cooper

 

          Receiving Stats Through Week 11            
                             
   
GP
REC TGTS YDS AVG TD LNG BIG YDS/G FUM LST YAC FD
  10 59 91 882 14.9 4 54 13 88.2 1 0 230 46
  11 46 65 880 19.1 5 66 16 80 4 3 273 30
  10 61 94 845 13.9 5 66 16 84.5 2 0 431 33
  10 56 85 817 14.6 4 40 13 81.7 0 0 163 44
  10 75 104 745 9.9 4 38 9 74.5 0 0 259 47
  10 48 89 692 14.4 1 89 10 69.2 0 0 255 28
  10 57 86 633 11.1 3 33 8 63.3 0 0 146 34
  10 44 64 614 14 5 36 11 61.4 0 0 108 33
  10 40 72 604 15.1 4 50 7 60.4 0 0 158 31
  10 35 64 595 17 5 54 10 59.5 2 2 185 23
  11 46 67 561 12.2 4 53 8 51 0 0 176 29
  10 38 60 524 13.8 3 76 7 52.4 1 1 219 20
  8 40 65 512 12.8 3 68 7 64 2 1 248 21
                             

 

Cooper could easily be FA at the end of this season.  I would love to add him

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18 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

And with this I would love to put 

Thomas

Evans

Cooper

Jones

Diggs

 

On the other side of Brown.

Add in Hopkins (not on the list)

I think the draft this year provides us with some options for a bigger, talented WR to go opposite of Smoke in 2020.

 

CeeDee Lamb / Oklhoma / 6'2" 190lbs - Very athletic, has good speed, and high points the ball well

 

Chase Claypool / Notre Dame / 6'5" 228lbs - I don't know if he'll run a sub 4.4 40-yd time(probably closer to 4.45-4.5), but he is built just like Metcalf, can run, runs a pretty legit route tree, has excellent body control, and gets those 50/50 balls almost every time.

 

Tee Higgins / Clemson / 6'4" 200lbs - All you have to do is watch the tape.

 

Michael Pittman Jr. / USC / 6'4" 215lbs - Another big WR who can do it all. 

 

Tyler Johnson / Minnesota / 6'2" 200lbs - Is playing himself into the Day1/Day 2 discussion. 

 

Tamorrion Terry / Florida St. / 6'4" 205lbs - Another big WR who can run and uses his size well.

 

I could keep going, but these are the guys I could think of off top. I like Jeudy too, but for some reason I am more skeptical of him overall. I really like Claypool and Pittman though, whom I believe are 2nd day guys at this point. 

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1 minute ago, H2o said:

I think the draft this year provides us with some options for a bigger, talented WR to go opposite of Smoke in 2020.

 

CeeDee Lamb / Oklhoma / 6'2" 190lbs - Very athletic, has good speed, and high points the ball well

 

Chase Claypool / Notre Dame / 6'5" 228lbs - I don't know if he'll run a sub 4.4 40-yd time(probably closer to 4.45-4.5), but he is built just like Metcalf, can run, runs a pretty legit route tree, has excellent body control, and gets those 50/50 balls almost every time.

 

Tee Higgins / Clemson / 6'4" 200lbs - All you have to do is watch the tape.

 

Michael Pittman Jr. / USC / 6'4" 215lbs - Another big WR who can do it all. 

 

Tyler Johnson / Minnesota / 6'2" 200lbs - Is playing himself into the Day1/Day 2 discussion. 

 

Tamorrion Terry / Florida St. / 6'4" 205lbs - Another big WR who can run and uses his size well.

 

I could keep going, but these are the guys I could think of off top. I like Jeudy too, but for some reason I am more skeptical of him overall. I really like Claypool and Pittman though, whom I believe are 2nd day guys at this point. 

 

I checked out drafttek this morning, and found that NONE of the top WR prospects are under 6' this year. :thumbsup:

 

Add Shenault to your list as well.

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