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Props where they are due: Ed Oliver

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52 minutes ago, Whitey13 said:

Haha do you know who you're talking to? Joe is huge on this board about wanting Metcalf and hating the Oliver pick.

Yes, I hope his Not-The-Guy-I-Wanted Syndrome isn't contagious.  Oliver could be an annual All-Pro and some people would still be butthurt.  Even if Oliver becomes a colossal bust and Metcalf dominates, it was still the 100% right pick at the time.

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Oliver is so young but he could turn into a good DT. I would feel better if his arms were a little longer, but he could turn into a John Randle type player like they projected.

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Great downfield tackle from behind.  He showed a lot of hustle.  The announcers should have gave him props.

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3 plays that stood out by my count. The sack obviously, then the insane hustle on the Parker catch that probably saved 10-15 yds, and then he had a real nice run plug for no gain in there as well. 
 

Nice game for the rookie. Hopefully a spark. 

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53 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

You mean a talented rookie is having an issue adjusting to NFL caliber linemen in his 1st season? Color me shocked 

A top 10 first round pick who was expected to be a dominate player.  Is that who you are talking about as a "talented rookie" ???  Is Knox  the same?  Of course not as he makes big plays every game!

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6 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Lot of the young guys looked good today

 

McD gave the right message this week so players didn't play tight.

 

 

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Oliver in my opinion has proved he can be a disruptive pass down DT. He has been a bit exposed in the rush defense department. Going forward I think he figures it out. But against better teams he should only be in on passing downs. 

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41 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

Oliver in my opinion has proved he can be a disruptive pass down DT. He has been a bit exposed in the rush defense department. Going forward I think he figures it out. But against better teams he should only be in on passing downs. 

 

Fair assessment. Too light in the pants against the run.

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So....wait! Rookies ARE allowed to get better? 

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Not to be that guy, but what exactly did he do in the game that I missed?  
 

A sack is a sack, but the dude wasn’t blocked.  He ran in a straight line. 
 

He did track down a player, but his motor wasn’t questioned.  
 

I don’t remember seeing him be disruptive against blocks or generate and pressure himself.  Is everyone just looking at those two plays?

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Not to be that guy, but what exactly did he do in the game that I missed?  
 

A sack is a sack, but the dude wasn’t blocked.  He ran in a straight line. 
 

He did track down a player, but his motor wasn’t questioned.  
 

I don’t remember seeing him be disruptive against blocks or generate and pressure himself.  Is everyone just looking at those two plays?

 

 

there was a nice run stuff for no gain as well that was all him. and I think he generally was just in the backfield a lot more from what I can remember.

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12 hours ago, Stallions said:

A top 10 first round pick who was expected to be a dominate player.  Is that who you are talking about as a "talented rookie" ???  Is Knox  the same?  Of course not as he makes big plays every game!

Well the thread was started about Ed Oliver...But since you bring up Knox he needs more consistent hands but he’s a raw prospect so it comes with the territory 

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15 hours ago, Ray Finkel said:

Great downfield tackle from behind.  He showed a lot of hustle.  The announcers should have gave him props.

 

Still amazed at how little the announcers actually observe during a game.   That was a heckuva backside pursuit and run down by a big man.  Very few DT's in the league pull that off

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3 hours ago, Virgil said:

Not to be that guy, but what exactly did he do in the game that I missed?  
 

A sack is a sack, but the dude wasn’t blocked.  He ran in a straight line. 
 

He did track down a player, but his motor wasn’t questioned.  
 

I don’t remember seeing him be disruptive against blocks or generate and pressure himself.  Is everyone just looking at those two plays?

 

 

 

Check out Cover_1 on Twitter. Erik tweets about Oliver quite often, since fans ask about his impact all the time. 

 

Ex: https://twitter.com/Cover_1_/status/1196257055407034368

 

EDIT: If I knew how to embed a tweet, I'd have done it here to make it easier.

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11 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Fair assessment. Too light in the pants against the run.

 

I think you have to play Lugiet, Phillips, and Star on the running downs and just have Ed be in mostly on passing situations (second and long, third and long.) I think he just needs a full off-season of NFL strength and conditioning to add some strength and size in a way that wouldn't impact his quickness. If he can just be an OK rush defender I think he can be a Pro-Bowl caliber player as he is already a disruptive penetrator as a rookie (although a bit inconsistent but he is a 21 year old rookie.) 

 

But he has the frame to add some bulk without losing his quickness which should help him become a better run defender. 

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16 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

Oliver in my opinion has proved he can be a disruptive pass down DT. He has been a bit exposed in the rush defense department. Going forward I think he figures it out. But against better teams he should only be in on passing downs. 

 

He hasn't played the run that poorly. He hasn't been noticeably worse than Star or Jordan Phillips in the run game in my opinion. But the staff obviously prefer the other guys when they are just trying to take the run away hence Ed's snaps went down. This week when they wanted to be aggressive and get after the passer they were back up above 50% and Star's snaps were down as a result. It does look like it is a gameplan specific thing. 

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Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

He hasn't played the run that poorly. He hasn't been noticeably worse than Star or Jordan Phillips in the run game in my opinion. But the staff obviously prefer the other guys when they are just trying to take the run away hence Ed's snaps went down. This week when they wanted to be aggressive and get after the passer they were back up above 50% and Star's snaps were down as a result. It does look like it is a gameplan specific thing. 

 

I think he looked very bad against the run since the Eagles game. It looked to me that he was at least decent against the run early in the season. But since the bye he has looked soft against the run. Once again hoping the Liuget helps the team in that regard as Phillips is an average run defender and Star has seeming gone soft. Oliver I would hide in passing situations as that is his strength at this point in his career. 

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Just now, billsfan89 said:

 

I think he looked very bad against the run since the Eagles game. It looked to me that he was at least decent against the run early in the season. But since the bye he has looked soft against the run. Once again hoping the Liuget helps the team in that regard as Phillips is an average run defender and Star has seeming gone soft. Oliver I would hide in passing situations as that is his strength at this point in his career. 

 

I don't agree. The big problem in the run game has been linebacker gap discipline. Not Ed Oliver. 

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38 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't agree. The big problem in the run game has been linebacker gap discipline. Not Ed Oliver. 

 

The linebackers have been a part of the problem but the D-line has been used and abused in the run game as well. The run defense has been a total failure since the bye week with the exception of this past weeks game and the second half of the Skins game. 

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Loved the tackle Oliver made on the wr Parker for the Phins yesterday. It was a pickup of 10 yards and a first down, but if Ed doesn’t make that tackle it could of been a much bigger pickup into Bill territory. It showed Oliver’s speed and hustle. The Phins were stopped on the next set of downs and punted. 

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22 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Loved the tackle Oliver made on the wr Parker for the Phins yesterday. It was a pickup of 10 yards and a first down, but if Ed doesn’t make that tackle it could of been a much bigger pickup into Bill territory. It showed Oliver’s speed and hustle. The Phins were stopped on the next set of downs and punted. 

I just watched that play again. Oliver rushed hard and was 4-5 yards into the Fins backfield when Fitz threw. He immediately turned and ran full speed after the receiver and caught him from behind. Just tremendous play and effort. Hughes does that but no one else. 

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