Offensive Talent

[elijah]

You see it around the league, teams hit walls and then suddenly turn it on, whether it be offensively, defensively, or as a team.  Teams that were struggling suddenly start to click and get going. 

 

My question for you is, do you think this team has the talent to do that offensively? Could we see an offense that catches fire and still wins 5 or 6 games on the way out? 

 

For the optimist, it seems that week by week Josh is getting one step closer to completing that deep ball.  While not in a straight line, Singletary’s involvement is trending upwards and his productivity is staying relatively similar.  Foster finally had his first catch this past week which might open up another target in the intermediate game, which happens to be Josh’s best level of the field.  Brown stays consistent.  Josh and Beasley seemed to take a step in the right direction this past week, and the McKenzie jet sweep proved it can be a real element of the offense against the Redskins.  The offensive line has been clicking and getting better on a weekly basis.  It seems just a few things need to happen for the offense to start getting hot. 

 

For the pessimists, Josh hasn’t connected on a deep ball yet and took a massive step backwards in terms of accuracy this past weekend.  He hasn’t been the same big play threat since New England absolutely destroyed him.  Where is Singletary?  He got more involved finally against Washington and then Daboll abandons him against the 30th ranked run defense in Cleveland.  The playcalling isn’t favorable even amongst the optimistic fans.  Knox plays solid but has had a really rough set of hands ever since his big catch against Cincinnati.  Kroft????  The offense has talent, but if they want to be a New England style identityless offense, which seems to be the goal, they still need another receiver, another tight end since Kroft is invisible, and they’re going to need another RB in place of Gore next off-season likely.  

 

 

 

What say you, is the talent there, can the offense start clicking?  Or are we doomed for this season, we are what we are, and waiting for the off-season in terms of offensive improvement? 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

We have one of the worst group of skill players in the league. We have a young, raw QB and McBeane has done him no favors with the environment they've created for a QB here. Does anybody really believe Lamar Jackson would be doing as well here? I sure as hell don't. 

[dorquemada]

14 minutes ago, elijah said:

You see it around the league, teams hit walls and then suddenly turn it on, whether it be offensively, defensively, or as a team.  Teams that were struggling suddenly start to click and get going. 

 

My question for you is, do you think this team has the talent to do that offensively? Could we see an offense that catches fire and still wins 5 or 6 games on the way out? 

 

For the optimist, it seems that week by week Josh is getting one step closer to completing that deep ball.  While not in a straight line, Singletary’s involvement is trending upwards and his productivity is staying relatively similar.  Foster finally had his first catch this past week which might open up another target in the intermediate game, which happens to be Josh’s best level of the field.  Brown stays consistent.  Josh and Beasley seemed to take a step in the right direction this past week, and the McKenzie jet sweep proved it can be a real element of the offense against the Redskins.  The offensive line has been clicking and getting better on a weekly basis.  It seems just a few things need to happen for the offense to start getting hot. 

 

For the pessimists, Josh hasn’t connected on a deep ball yet and took a massive step backwards in terms of accuracy this past weekend.  He hasn’t been the same big play threat since New England absolutely destroyed him.  Where is Singletary?  He got more involved finally against Washington and then Daboll abandons him against the 30th ranked run defense in Cleveland.  The playcalling isn’t favorable even amongst the optimistic fans.  Knox plays solid but has had a really rough set of hands ever since his big catch against Cincinnati.  Kroft????  The offense has talent, but if they want to be a New England style identityless offense, which seems to be the goal, they still need another receiver, another tight end since Kroft is invisible, and they’re going to need another RB in place of Gore next off-season likely.  

 

 

 

What say you, is the talent there, can the offense start clicking?  Or are we doomed for this season, we are what we are, and waiting for the off-season in terms of offensive improvement? 

 

I wonder if they could trade a half dozen bad TEs for a #1 receiver.  Alas, to ask is to answer

 

also, Daboll should stick to what he knows, which I'd assume is competitive eating, rather than playcalling in the National Football League

 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, elijah said:

You see it around the league, teams hit walls and then suddenly turn it on, whether it be offensively, defensively, or as a team.  Teams that were struggling suddenly start to click and get going. 

 

My question for you is, do you think this team has the talent to do that offensively? Could we see an offense that catches fire and still wins 5 or 6 games on the way out? 

 

For the optimist, it seems that week by week Josh is getting one step closer to completing that deep ball.  While not in a straight line, Singletary’s involvement is trending upwards and his productivity is staying relatively similar.  Foster finally had his first catch this past week which might open up another target in the intermediate game, which happens to be Josh’s best level of the field.  Brown stays consistent.  Josh and Beasley seemed to take a step in the right direction this past week, and the McKenzie jet sweep proved it can be a real element of the offense against the Redskins.  The offensive line has been clicking and getting better on a weekly basis.  It seems just a few things need to happen for the offense to start getting hot. 

 

For the pessimists, Josh hasn’t connected on a deep ball yet and took a massive step backwards in terms of accuracy this past weekend.  He hasn’t been the same big play threat since New England absolutely destroyed him.  Where is Singletary?  He got more involved finally against Washington and then Daboll abandons him against the 30th ranked run defense in Cleveland.  The playcalling isn’t favorable even amongst the optimistic fans.  Knox plays solid but has had a really rough set of hands ever since his big catch against Cincinnati.  Kroft????  The offense has talent, but if they want to be a New England style identityless offense, which seems to be the goal, they still need another receiver, another tight end since Kroft is invisible, and they’re going to need another RB in place of Gore next off-season likely.  

 

 

 

What say you, is the talent there, can the offense start clicking?  Or are we doomed for this season, we are what we are, and waiting for the off-season in terms of offensive improvement? 

 

 

You can definitely coach up offense.    Thru 16 weeks the 2016 Bills were 7th in the league in scoring and had the fewest turnovers with Tyrod at QB and a very banged up WR corps.   Lynn dictated terms to opposing defenses.    They knew what was coming but struggled to stop it.   

 

The 2019 Bills offense doesn't dictate *****.   It's a series of plays that are either "gotcha's" or they get got.    It's a dream come true for Cover 1 watching Daboll try to outsmart the opposing DC one play at a time.    I think they could still elevate this offense but they need to start playing more aggressively.   Faster paced,  more of the same plays that they know work etc..   This hunt and peck approach to offense is just failing because there are too many mistakes.       

[uticaclub]

you can overcome lack of talent with good coaching, unfortunately the only thing weaker than talent on this team is coaching 

[MAJBobby]

Maybe just Maybe Spend your assets on Offensive Talent????

 

Nah they wont do that need to add more to the HC Defense

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Maybe just Maybe Spend your assets on Offensive Talent????

 

Nah they wont do that need to add more to the HC Defense

If they don’t add significantly to the offense, that will be their demise with the Bills. 

[colin]

the points in here about dictating are on point.

 

for some reason, allen has been hot garbage on big plays this season, but we have been able to run block pretty well.

 

if it is possible, i'd have the bills O throw in wide open shotgun pass plays where allen has the green light to run wild like he did last year, rather than designed runs, and put the ball in the rbs hands much more.  the tighter precision pass plays we run w our low talent smurfs out there just are not getting it done.

 

what is super ironic is D's in the nfl tend to be built to stop the pass, so baltimore has a qb who is simply not a good passer, but they just throw over the top and run all over the place and it is producing hard.  

 

 

 

 

[dorquemada]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

If they don’t add significantly to the offense, that will be their demise with the Bills. 

 

Also, if they dont address the middle of their D, they're going nowhere ever.

 

Basically, at 6-2 we were all wanting them to be as good as that record.  They're not.  Too many holes and with coaching that seems to highlight the holes rather than hide them

[CEN-CAL17]

You just look at these teams that continually sit on top... they have some big time play makers, big time talent. Size, weight and speed guys. Buffalo doesn’t have that. Maybe 1 or guys, but it’s all Blue Collar here. Hopefully with a big pocket book and another draft.... aligned with a winning season and a playoff birth Buffalo can attract a few FA at a reasonable price.

[dorquemada]

1 minute ago, colin said:

 

what is super ironic is D's in the nfl tend to be built to stop the pass, so baltimore has a qb who is simply not a good passer, but they just throw over the top and run all over the place and it is producing hard.  

 

 

Right, because they're not trying to make Jackson be something he isn't

[MAJBobby]

Just now, dorquemada said:

 

Also, if they dont address the middle of their D, they're going nowhere ever.

 

Basically, at 6-2 we were all wanting them to be as good as that record.  They're not.  Too many holes and with coaching that seems to highlight the holes rather than hide them

 

There is is Already calling for more assets in a position that they drafted into three times, signed two UFAs into.  And still an issue 

[dorquemada]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

There is is Already calling for more assets in a position that they drafted into three times, signed two UFAs into.  And still an issue 

 

I mean, yeah, they're terrible up the middle.  Is your point that coaching is to blame?  I'd agree.  They've certainly spent resources but the results arent there. 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, dorquemada said:

 

I mean, yeah, they're terrible up the middle.  Is your point that coaching is to blame?  I'd agree.  They've certainly spent resources but the results arent there. 

I would say Yep Coaching is partially to blame.  But Harrison Phillips going down hurt this team more than people realize.

[mjt328]

27 minutes ago, elijah said:

You see it around the league, teams hit walls and then suddenly turn it on, whether it be offensively, defensively, or as a team.  Teams that were struggling suddenly start to click and get going. 

 

My question for you is, do you think this team has the talent to do that offensively? Could we see an offense that catches fire and still wins 5 or 6 games on the way out? 

 

For the optimist, it seems that week by week Josh is getting one step closer to completing that deep ball.  While not in a straight line, Singletary’s involvement is trending upwards and his productivity is staying relatively similar.  Foster finally had his first catch this past week which might open up another target in the intermediate game, which happens to be Josh’s best level of the field.  Brown stays consistent.  Josh and Beasley seemed to take a step in the right direction this past week, and the McKenzie jet sweep proved it can be a real element of the offense against the Redskins.  The offensive line has been clicking and getting better on a weekly basis.  It seems just a few things need to happen for the offense to start getting hot. 

 

For the pessimists, Josh hasn’t connected on a deep ball yet and took a massive step backwards in terms of accuracy this past weekend.  He hasn’t been the same big play threat since New England absolutely destroyed him.  Where is Singletary?  He got more involved finally against Washington and then Daboll abandons him against the 30th ranked run defense in Cleveland.  The playcalling isn’t favorable even amongst the optimistic fans.  Knox plays solid but has had a really rough set of hands ever since his big catch against Cincinnati.  Kroft????  The offense has talent, but if they want to be a New England style identityless offense, which seems to be the goal, they still need another receiver, another tight end since Kroft is invisible, and they’re going to need another RB in place of Gore next off-season likely.  

 

What say you, is the talent there, can the offense start clicking?  Or are we doomed for this season, we are what we are, and waiting for the off-season in terms of offensive improvement? 

 

Mentioned this in a few different threads.  I don't think the main problem is a lack of talent.

 

The offense has shown the ability to march 10+ plays, 70-80 yards and score touchdowns. 

It just happens 2-3 times a week, and then we have multiple drives killed by stupid mistakes.

 

Josh Allen has shown the ability in the past to connect on deep balls.  I think the goal this offseason was to get him "fixed" on his short accuracy, and they didn't do enough to get his timing right with the other receivers.  John Brown is our only deep threat that plays regularly, and he always draws the deep safety help.  Robert Foster hasn't played enough to get on track with anything.  Things just haven't fallen in place, and now the failure to connect has gotten into Josh's head.

 

Devon Singletary can be a threat, if used more often.  Cole Beasley can be a chain-mover, if we actually target him on 3rd Down.  

There is enough talent to be a good offense.  It's just a multitude of drive-killing issues they can't seem to hurdle.  If they can put together another 2-3 decent drives per week, I think we will be good enough to get on track.

 

16 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Maybe just Maybe Spend your assets on Offensive Talent????

 

Nah they wont do that need to add more to the HC Defense

 

You can't be serious.

This team rebuilt the entire Offensive Line and Wide Receiver room in the offseason.

 

If you don't like the additions, fine.

But don't pretend they haven't been using resources on offensive talent.

 

[H2o]

I still think our best OL would be Dawkins-Feliciano-Morse-Ford-Nsekhe at this point in time. I think Feliciano at the LG spot helps both Dawkins and Morse, so in turn Allen as well. Right now, imo, Ford is better suited to play RG. If you want to rotate someone in and out then let it be Spain at the G positions if need be, not Nsekhe and Ford @ RT. The OL could still use another top tier starter, likely at RT. Josh would also benefit from having a CeeDee Lamb, or a Chase Claypool, or a Laviska Shenault, or a Tee Higgins out there on the field. We have enough smurfs. Give me a big guy who can run, is physical, can go up and get it, and has hands. Regardless of how the rest of this season plays out, next offseason is make or break for this regime imo. Brady is likely on his way out in NE, the Dolphins have like 5 first round picks, and who knows what the Jets will do. The division should be ours for the taking if they maneuver through FA and the draft as they should. 

[MAJBobby]

I am going to be doing a Need Ranking poll sometime in the next month.  I am not going to be surprised when I see some defensive positions leading in the poll as the top needs.  And the fact that will happen is a complete joke when you consider the emphasis on that side of the Ball placed by McConservative

2 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Mentioned this in a few different threads.  I don't think the main problem is a lack of talent.

 

The offense has shown the ability to march 10+ plays, 70-80 yards and score touchdowns. 

It just happens 2-3 times a week, and then we have multiple drives killed by stupid mistakes.

 

Josh Allen has shown the ability in the past to connect on deep balls.  I think the goal this offseason was to get him "fixed" on his short accuracy, and they didn't do enough to get his timing right with the other receivers.  John Brown is our only deep threat that plays regularly, and he always draws the deep safety help.  Robert Foster hasn't played enough to get on track with anything.  Things just haven't fallen in place, and now the failure to connect has gotten into Josh's head.

 

Devon Singletary can be a threat, if used more often.  Cole Beasley can be a chain-mover, if we actually target him on 3rd Down.  

There is enough talent to be a good offense.  It's just a multitude of drive-killing issues they can't seem to hurdle.  If they can put together another 2-3 decent drives per week, I think we will be good enough to get on track.

 

 

You can't be serious.

This team rebuilt the entire Offensive Line and Wide Receiver room in the offseason.

 

If you don't like the additions, fine.

But don't pretend they haven't been using resources on offensive talent.

 

 

Really????  OK So Which of these WRs is a No 1 on another team?  RT is still not very good, this OL has issues in pass pro, cannot block a screen to save their life, horrible in short yardage.  What Draft picks have the used on Offense?  So they went and signed a couple short contract WRs and OL.  

[whatdrought]

Consider the improvement our offense made from early last year to late. Now add in the fact that we have much much better talent across the board. I think it’s Possible. Not holding my breath, but I wouldn’t be shocked. 

[zow2]

It seems like the Bills offense is just a few guys. Allen, Brown, Gore/Singletary.... and maybe a splash of Beasley.  That’s it.  It’s bizarre.  Just not enough pieces around that O to make it dynamic.  What would Aaron Rodgers do with that group of guys?  Maybe he’d still produce . I dunno 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, whatdrought said:

Consider the improvement our offense made from early last year to late. Now add in the fact that we have much much better talent across the board. I think it’s Possible. Not holding my breath, but I wouldn’t be shocked. 

 

Well early last year they did Play Peterman, Anderson early in the season last year

[Mr. WEO]

43 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

We have one of the worst group of skill players in the league. We have a young, raw QB and McBeane has done him no favors with the environment they've created for a QB here. Does anybody really believe Lamar Jackson would be doing as well here? I sure as hell don't. 

 

Jackson isn't exactly surrounded by Offensive stars.   Ingram is still pretty decent.  But they will struggle to have a single receiver over 1000 yards this year.  Marquise Brown?  Mark Andrews?

 

Come on....

[BananaB]

John Brown and Beasley are having solid seasons playing higher on the depth chart then they should be. But after those two the rest of our WR core is a joke. And the coaches know this because every week it’s a decision on who is inactive between Foster, McKenzie and Williams. Roberts is lucky he returns punts or he’d be in the mix also. 
 

Everyone on this board thought Beasley would come here and be our Edelman. If he was anywhere near as good as Edelman he’d still be in Dallas. He’s a #3 WR on almost every team in the NFL except Buffalo. 
 

John Brown is on his 3rd team in 3 years, that doesn’t happen to #1 WRs in the NFL. Stevie Johnson had a solid career here playing the same roll. He’s the top guy because we don’t have any other options at this point. That’s a management problem. 
 

This is an upgrade over last years crop but it’s still lacking. I like John Brown and Beasley a lot but in my opinion the Bills to have to go get a real #1. 
 

Josh has to start improving also. Offense is relying on it.

Edited November 12, 2019 by BananaB

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Disagree those guys you named are rising players.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

33 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Maybe just Maybe Spend your assets on Offensive Talent????

 

Nah they wont do that need to add more to the HC Defense

 

 

...NEXT QUESTION: if, IF we do, are you comfortable with the current OC coaching and guiding your new talent?......plenty of fingers being pointed at the WR corp....I'm reading "best WR class in years" here.....if so, is Daboll YOUR guy?.....

[John from Riverside]

I think Brown and Bease fit in nicely here....we need one more quality guy

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

27 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

There is is Already calling for more assets in a position that they drafted into three times, signed two UFAs into.  And still an issue 

 

If only ANYONE had seen that drafting a small DT from a small-time college program would be a problem.

 

That guy would have been a visionary.

 

[MJS]

It's offensive, alright.

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...NEXT QUESTION: if, IF we do, are you comfortable with the current OC coaching and guiding your new talent?......plenty of fingers being pointed at the WR corp....I'm reading "best WR class in years" here.....if so, is Daboll YOUR guy?.....

No I already am on record for Bills Hiring an senior Offensive Guru to find the Next OC 

[Da webster guy]

Well if we had a kicker who wasn't slumping we'd be 7-2 and be in the top 6 in the league right now.

 

Last year final four in this league were NE, Rams, Saints and KC.   All of them lost their last game, as did Indy. 

Some of them lost to crappy teams too.     Some with established franchise QB's, a few hall of famers even.   

 

Head coaches Andy Reid, Belichick, Payton, McVay, Reich.  All lost.   Some of them have lost multiple games in row and are sitting in far worse spots than we are heading to Miami as 6 point favorites and then back home vs Denver where we'll be heavy favorites again.

 

To answer the OP, is the talent there?   Sure it is.  Is the coaching good enough?  Yeah, but they're learning too.   Should we expect more from a young qb on an offense with one guy returning from last year?  Maybe, but we move the ball OK, just not dynamic yet. 

 

Didn't really expect to score tons of points this year, I was just hoping we'd be a little more fun.  Josh is like an overtrained dog right now, he doesn't want to make a mistake and get the shock collar so he's a little more timid and hesitant to trust his instincts.   Personally I think a long throw on 3rd down is the same as a punt if it gets picked off.   I'd open it up more, lose the designed QB runs, stop the empty sets and get this kid developing chem with Singletary on checkdowns/screens, pass protection, whatever.   They both need to learn it together.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

Didn't really expect to score tons of points this year, I was just hoping we'd be a little more fun.  Josh is like an overtrained dog right now, he doesn't want to make a mistake and get the shock collar so he's a little more timid and hesitant to trust his instincts.   Personally I think a long throw on 3rd down is the same as a punt if it gets picked off.   I'd open it up more, lose the designed QB runs, stop the empty sets and get this kid developing chem with Singletary on checkdowns/screens, pass protection, whatever.   They both need to learn it together.

 

^^^^^correct^^^^^

 

[DuckyBoys]

6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I think Brown and Bease fit in nicely here....we need one more quality guy

Beasley is a nice third down slot guy and brown is a fine #2.  Both have played well and up to their previous standards of production.  Few people mention the execution and mistakes undoing the offense  I agree but there will be much more room for error if they add some explosive talent.  We dont have a rb who can take it to the house and we for sure dont have that WR1 that can dictate how a whole defense reacts and covers the field.  TE they might have something in Knox but too early to tell.  Were basically trying to win a race each week with a 6 cylinder engine and the good teams have a V12

[KollegeStudnet]

Pressure is on our young QB now to evolve, lead and start getting this team more point. This was a wakeup call for him. He knows that he has to take his game to another level.

As much as I agree with we are one year away, push his buttons. He’s been clutch before. Would like to see Allen get pressured in blitz sets that he was experiencing during the Browns game. 

You have to sink before you can swim. Let’s eat and get to the playoffs! 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

9 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

No I already am on record for Bills Hiring an senior Offensive Guru to find the Next OC 

 

...sorry I'm not buying a "Czar bureaucracy level" albeit an "Offensive Czar or Czarina"....McBeane has a staff of 17+, with a significant component being NFL execs at the VP of Personnel level and Director of Pro Player Personnel level.....they're the ones recommending players either drafted, UDFA signings or FA recommendations...can't convince me they don't also evaluate coaching personnel who seem to get the most out of draft/UDFA potentials that would fit OBD's offensive philosophy......but the $64,000 question is, what "exactly is THAT offensive philosophy"?..... and WHO is making THAT call?.......

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...sorry I'm not buying a "Czar bureaucracy level" albeit an "Offensive Czar or Czarina"....McBeane has a staff of 17+, with a significant component being NFL execs at the VP of Personnel level and Director of Pro Player Personnel level.....they're the ones recommending players either drafted, UDFA signings or FA recommendations...can't convince me they don't also evaluate coaching personnel who seem to get the most out of draft/UDFA potentials that would fit OBD's offensive philosophy......but the $64,000 question is, what "exactly is THAT offensive philosophy"?..... and WHO is making THAT call?.......

I am even fine with Beane making the OC hire. After two shots I can’t be convinced to let McD make another dip into the OC hiring route. 
 

they made mistakes too. Like passing on Metcalf for a trade up for Ford. And yet your QB still has no game breaker at WR. 

Edited November 12, 2019 by MAJBobby

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

14 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I am even fine with Beane making the OC hire. After two shots I can’t be convinced to let McD make another dip into the OC hiring route. 
 

they made mistakes too. Like passing on Metcalf for a trade up for Ford. And yet your QB still has no game breaker at WR. 

 

...you my friend may have hit on an interesting, VERY interesting question in my view (FWIW).......back up to the "cart (McDermott) before the horse (McBeane" hiring hierarchy...where does control of final decision lie (doubt we'll ever know)"?.....is McD protective of his staff with hiring authority like Wade was?.....can or does McBeane (and his well traveled staff of 17) have any input or recommendations in staff hires or even "O" or "D" philosophies?.....how would they know what players to draft, what UDFA's to consider or who to chase in FA with no philosophical input?.....plenty of unanswered questions from the "outside looking in" IMO.....are we running on "6 cylinders versus 8" because of it?.........

Edited November 12, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[MAJBobby]

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...you my friend may have hit on an interesting, VERY interesting question in my view (FWIW).......back up to the "cart (McDermott) before the horse (McBeane" hiring hierarchy...where does control of final decision lie (doubt we'll ever know)"?.....is McD protective of his staff with hiring authority like Wade was?.....can or does McBeane (and his well traveled staff of 17) have any input or recommendations in staff hires or even "O" or "D" philosophies?.....how would they know what players to draft, what UDFA's to consider or who to chase in FA with no philosophical input?.....plenty of unanswered questions from the "outside looking in" IMO..........

what I can say based on readings. 
 

McD is in charge of Staff and Game day Roster reports directly to Pegulas

 

Beane works with McD for players but does have the final say on final 53. Reports directly to Pegulas. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

what I can say based on readings. 
 

McD is in charge of Staff and Game day Roster reports directly to Pegulas

 

Beane works with McD for players but does have the final say on final 53. Reports directly to Pegulas. 

 

 

...interesting.....we could have the deja vu "Wade Conundrum" regarding staff......wonder who wins?......RW demanded Wade make the change in '99 who refused.....initiating the pee pee contest over "you fired me....no you resigned" squabble.....arbitrator agreed with Wade and RW had to pony up whopping 800 grand HC salary owed Wade....wonder what would happen in the Pegula Court if McBeane contradicted McDermott's staffing choices?....

[MAJBobby]

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...interesting.....we could have the deja vu "Wade Conundrum" regarding staff......wonder who wins?......RW demanded Wade make the change in '99 who refused.....initiating the pee pee contest over "you fired me....no you resigned" squabble.....arbitrator agreed with Wade and RW had to pony up whopping 800 grand HC salary owed Wade....wonder what would happen in the Pegula Court if McBeane contradicted McDermott's staffing choices?....

I think McD would win the disagreements he was Hired first and the GM second. 
 

I figure the GM would be told to support the HC that was hired before. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I think McD would win the disagreements he was Hired first and the GM second. 
 

I figure the GM would be told to support the HC that was hired before. 

 

...probably right......close mindedness is not for the good of the team IMO...........

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Jackson isn't exactly surrounded by Offensive stars.   Ingram is still pretty decent.  But they will struggle to have a single receiver over 1000 yards this year.  Marquise Brown?  Mark Andrews?

 

Come on....

 

This is a joke right ?    Mark Andrews would be our best player