Week 10: Bills at Browns

[Philo]

Just now, SCBills said:

 

Chargers can actually be a really good team, but with the hole they dug, and the schedule they have... it may not matter.   The Raiders don't scare me at all, but they have a schedule similar to ours in the back half.

 

The bolded kind of summarizes the Chargers for the last decade or so for one reason or another. 

[MAJBobby]

IF the Browns were smart (they are not) this game would go through Nick Chubb

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

IF the Browns were smart (they are not) this game would go through Nick Chubb

They are smart enough to try to run the ball. The Redskins did that too and still lost. They still need to be able to do both. The eagles passing efficiency and screen game set up the run to be effective down the stretch of that game. 

Edited November 7, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[MAJBobby]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

They are smart enough to try to run the ball. The Redskins did that too and still lost. They still need to be able to do both. The eagles passing efficiency and screen game set up the run to be effective down the stretch of that game. 

 

Offense goes through Chubb with Hunt in the game as well.  Baker plays spread the Ball to Landry and OBJ he will throw picks like h has ALL season.  But Freddy Kitchens (worst coach in the NFL) wont see that.

[r00tabaga]

7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Offense goes through Chubb with Hunt in the game as well.  Baker plays spread the Ball to Landry and OBJ he will throw picks like h has ALL season.  But Freddy Kitchens (worst coach in the NFL) wont see that.

Omg can you at least switch Elvis out for Pat?

??????????

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

26 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

They are smart enough to try to run the ball. The Redskins did that too and still lost. They still need to be able to do both. The eagles passing efficiency and screen game set up the run to be effective down the stretch of that game. 

Screen game to Hunt and Chubb will be key for us to stop in order to win

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Bronxbomber21 said:

Quick question who are we rooting for tonight in the Chargers vs Raiders?

 

How bout make a thread for that?  If you wanna make a general Thursday Night Football thread I'll pin it.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[YoloinOhio]

19 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Screen game to Hunt and Chubb will be key for us to stop in order to win

I’m fascinated by how much the Bills (coaches/players/media/fans) are focused on stopping their playmakers and I’ve heard nothing, literally, from their side about how they plan to defend our offensive players. And I listen primarily to sports radio that covers the Browns and follow media that covers them. I don’t know what to make of it. 

Edited November 7, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[Jrb1979]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I’m fascinated by how much the Bills (coaches/players/media/fans) are focused on stopping their playmakers and I’ve heard nothing, literally, from their side about how they plan to defend our offensive players. And I listen primarily to sports radio that covers the Browns and follow media that covers them. I don’t know what to make of it. 

They aren't to worried about an offense that doesn't score with big plays. Its a lot easier to defend an offense that trys to score on 10 plays versus an offense that is explosive and uses a lot of big plays. 

 

IMO if the Bills are going to win this game they need to be more aggressive on offense with big yard plays. On defense they need to blitz Mayfield cause if the Bills can't get to Mayfield he will be able to make plays. 

[WideNine]

2 hours ago, eball said:

So we've got the Bills believing they're disrespected, McD with a "revenge" game against the team that spurned him, and a Browns squad of "me first" guys who aren't playing well together.

 

If ever a fast start was important it would be this game.  Get the Browns down by a couple of scores early and it could be a stress-free afternoon.

 

This "disrespect" was the driving factor to that silly statement I made about teams being more motivated to not fall to the Bills. Of course it is subjective conjecture.

 

Even teams with poor records that have nothing to brag about I believe react with a degree of shock when they fall to the Bills.

 

The Jets last year were a prime example; falling not only to the Bills, but a Matt Barkley-led Bills squad - Oh the humanity!

 

I found the hue and cry of fans, former players, and the Jets org humorous because IMO the Jets were no great shake, but they acted like the sky was falling.

 

Do you remember how for a while it seemed that every team we beat resulted in a coaching shake-up either happening or being discussed?

 

Lose against the Patriots, Eagles, Saints, Packers, a forgivable offense, but the Bills...? Damn, we are worse off than we thought?

 

It was not that long ago AB was tweeting about never playing for Buffalo (whose laughing now), and there is an entrenched perception of the Bills being that perennial bottom feeding team after our 17 year playoff drought.

 

Backing into one playoff appearance since that dubious run cannot be expected to fully erase that narrative.

Media and player perceptions are not changed by telling people you are better. 

 

If the Bills are successful building a team that can demonstrate that they can string winning seasons together the narrative will change on its own.

 

I think they are on the right track, but they have to take care of business and get the wins. I don't expect any team we play to roll over for us and run to the bus.

 

 

 

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I think there’s surgery for that...

[Tesla03]

If Mcdermott gets out coached by Kitchens there needs to be questions asked of him and his staff 

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

The Duke/Foster competition is fascinating.  They both seem to be competing for the last active spot each week, and will probably be competing for the last WR spot next year, assuming we bring in another WR in FA/Draft. 

 

Foster brings so much speed, but we already have speed in Brown, McKenzie and Roberts.  Duke, if healthy again, is a big target and, perhaps more important due to where we seem to be headed offensively, a nasty run blocker.

 

id rather have Duke. he fits our offense more right now. we have no need for a deep threat bc Allen can't hit those throws to save his life right now 

Edited November 7, 2019 by Tesla03

[WideNine]

9 minutes ago, Tesla03 said:

If Mcdermott gets out coached by Kitchens there needs to be questions asked of him and his staff 

 

id rather have Duke. he fits our offense more right now. we have no need for a deep threat bc Allen can't hit those throws to save his life right now 

 

I think Duke brings that physicality and ability to win with contested throws.

 

So that is my preference too, as I think having receivers out there that Josh believes can fight and win on 50/50 throws will help him continue to grow his game.

 

 

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

They aren’t favored at all 

Cleveland is currently -3 per ESPN app

I hear ya. You are right, I was kind of responding to the other poster. Bills aren’t favored for a reason, they have yet to win a tough game. This game will be tough on the road. 

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

OMG the responses to this are pure gold.

 

"One more than I thought they had"

 

???

[freddyjj]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

I trust Tre White to follow OBJ around, and Landry is the type of WR that Levi Wallace seems to play well against. 

 

Agree put Tre on OBJ.  Landry is their Slot WR so will likely not be covered by Levi Wallace.  Taron Johnson/Kevin Johnson or Siran Neal  likely get Landry

[Mrbojanglezs]

16 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

OMG the responses to this are pure gold.

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[r00tabaga]

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I hear ya. You are right, I was kind of responding to the other poster. Bills aren’t favored for a reason, they have yet to win a tough game. This game will be tough on the road. 

Tennessee says hi.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

5 minutes ago, r00tabaga said:

Tennessee says hi.

Tennessee has no where near the same talent as Cleveland. I was at the Tenn game. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Didn't see this. 

 

Ryan Talbot article from NYUp

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/11/buffalo-bills-at-cleveland-browns-6-storylines-for-week-10-matchup.html

-Bills DB calling out Landry for dirty play: "Landry’s history with the Bills goes ...back to a crack-back block that he put on former Buffalo safety Aaron Williams in 2016. The hit, which drew a penalty, resulted in a neck injury for Williams which essentially ended his professional football career.  Last year, Landry and the Browns took on the Bills in the preseason and the wide receiver once again targeted a Bills defender with a crack-back block. This time, cornerback Taron Johnson was the target. The hit did not draw a penalty in this instance nor was Landry fined, but the Bills locker room considered the hit to be dirty."

'Zo says:  “Landry, he’s a good receiver, physical guy, but some of those plays that he has — Aaron Williams, Taron, I’m pretty sure he has other ones — I just think they’re dirty,” Bills linebacker Lorenzo Alexander said Sunday, per ESPN. “Coming from the outside of the box in, the league needs to do a better job of calling penalties on those types of plays. Obviously, defenders get called all the time on stuff that is probably less egregious than that. If we’re going to protect our football players, we need to protect everybody, not just offensive guys. It was dirty at the end of the day, and that’s how I feel about it.”

Question: do the Bills have any remedy with the league, to elevate concerns about this type of play from Landry to the league and have it watched for?

Other stuff in there about comparisons between Mayfield and Allen, whether Tre' White will shadow OBJ, run D vs Chubb/Hunt, and whether we'll keep calling Motor's number.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[r00tabaga]

8 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Tennessee has no where near the same talent as Cleveland. I was at the Tenn game. 

That's actually kind of funny cuz Tennessee has a better record and actually destroyed Cleveland earlier in the season. 

Go on...

[Rockinon]

Lot of people are worried about losing do to the Brown's run game. I think they have it backwards. The Browns 30th ranked run defense is going to lose do to the Bill's rushing game. They won't be able to stop it.

[Sig1Hunter]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Offense goes through Chubb with Hunt in the game as well.  Baker plays spread the Ball to Landry and OBJ he will throw picks like h has ALL season.  But Freddy Kitchens (worst coach in the NFL) wont see that.

What’s with the new avi? Did someone lose a bet...?

[atlbillsfan1975]

Just now, r00tabaga said:

That's actually kind of funny cuz Tennessee has a better record and actually destroyed Cleveland earlier in the season. 

Go on...

Cleveland has more talent but is probably the least disciplined team. To many personalities, not a great HC. I am just speaking talent. Now the other piece is coaching and playing with each other. If the Browns has the same attitude and culture as the Bills,  they would be undefeated and probably SB contenders. 

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Cleveland has more talent but is probably the least disciplined team. To many personalities, not a great HC. I am just speaking talent. Now the other piece is coaching and playing with each other. If the Browns has the same attitude and culture as the Bills,  they would be undefeated and probably SB contenders. 

 

wow.

[GG]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

The biggest difference here is Pederson/Wentz /Eagles OL vs Kitchens/Baker/Browns OL. They can copy the game plan but executing it is a different story

 

If you need a further dissection, Wentz stood tall in the pocket to the last possible moment and delivered the killer throws.  From what I've seen of Baker, he'd be bailing out on all those plays well before they're set.

[TPS]

45 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

 

 

 

That's a good piece.  Sure hope the Bills can extend him.  Seems he likes it here.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m fascinated by how much the Bills (coaches/players/media/fans) are focused on stopping their playmakers and I’ve heard nothing, literally, from their side about how they plan to defend our offensive players. And I listen primarily to sports radio that covers the Browns and follow media that covers them. I don’t know what to make of it. 

 

@YoloinOhio, did you listen to their pressers earlier in the week?

 

I thought Kitchens and Mayfield's pressers both had a very weird affect about them.  I can't really figure out how to describe them better than "weird".

It was like they were sleepwalking or something. I said elsewhere my first reaction was "Bar bar Baby", after the song about purple Drank.

 

Wednesday started with nice things about the Bills but still very generic:

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/11/freddie-kitchens-discusses-baker-mayfield-in-wednesday-press-conference-transcript.html

“It will be good to be back home facing a very good Buffalo Bills team that is playing good football. (Bills head coach) Sean (McDermott) is doing a great job with those guys. They are playing good defense. They run the ball very effectively. They play smart. They play tough. They are physical. Their defense keeps them in every game, and then their offense kind of tries to impose the will on you." 

 

It's nice, but it's so generic!

Then On the Bills ranking first in the NFL in red zone offense: “They are able to run the ball down there. Their quarterback is able to scramble. They get first downs down there. Sometimes it is just about picking up first downs down in the red zone, and they have done an excellent job of that.”

Yes, JA has scored TDs in the redzone, but someone correct me if I'm wrong, most of the time he scores in the redzone it has been on designed runs - either "and one" goal line push, or actual designed runs.  It's so generic, almost like he hasn't actually studied the film on the Bills very much at all.

Or is it "idiot savant" where he doesn't want to let on what he knows?

It finished with the reporters' take " Stopping the running back has been the Bills’ biggest problem as of late. In the last three weeks, Buffalo has allowed a league-high 422 interior rushing yards. If the Bills run defense continues to struggle, Chubb and Hunt could have big days and help lead the Browns to their third win "

 

This is the most specific thing I've heard, and it's all about how the Browns hope to use their guys, it's really not about how they need to play our guys.

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/11/browns-hc-hopes-nick-chubb-kareem-hunt-can-drain-some-energy-from-buffalo-bills-defense.html

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/07/baker-mayfield-we-have-to-force-feed-odell-beckham-early-in-games/

 

I get it that the Bills aren't a sky full of stars, but Tre' White is something like #3 CB in the league right now?  Poyer and Hyde the best safety duo?  Devin Singletary just had an amazing game? 

 

Eh, whateves I guess.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

41 minutes ago, r00tabaga said:

That's actually kind of funny cuz Tennessee has a better record and actually destroyed Cleveland earlier in the season.

 

With Mariota at QB no less. 

 

Titans #8 D

Browns #20 D

 

Titans #23 on O despite QB follies

Browns #26

 

I mean, look, @atlbillsfan1975, talent is as talent does.  They're worse than the Titans in some important categores - like points given up and scored.

Do we care about statistics generally, or only when they're bad about our Bills?

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

33 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

@YoloinOhio, did you listen to their pressers earlier in the week?

 

I thought Kitchens and Mayfield's pressers both had a very weird affect about them.  I can't really figure out how to describe them better than "weird".

It was like they were sleepwalking or something. I said elsewhere my first reaction was "Bar bar Baby", after the song about purple Drank.

 

Wednesday started with nice things about the Bills but still very generic:

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/11/freddie-kitchens-discusses-baker-mayfield-in-wednesday-press-conference-transcript.html

“It will be good to be back home facing a very good Buffalo Bills team that is playing good football. (Bills head coach) Sean (McDermott) is doing a great job with those guys. They are playing good defense. They run the ball very effectively. They play smart. They play tough. They are physical. Their defense keeps them in every game, and then their offense kind of tries to impose the will on you." 

 

It's nice, but it's so generic!

Then On the Bills ranking first in the NFL in red zone offense: “They are able to run the ball down there. Their quarterback is able to scramble. They get first downs down there. Sometimes it is just about picking up first downs down in the red zone, and they have done an excellent job of that.”

Yes, JA has scored TDs in the redzone, but someone correct me if I'm wrong, most of the time he scores in the redzone it has been on designed runs - either "and one" goal line push, or actual designed runs.  It's so generic, almost like he hasn't actually studied the film on the Bills very much at all.

Or is it "idiot savant" where he doesn't want to let on what he knows?

It finished with the reporters' take " Stopping the running back has been the Bills’ biggest problem as of late. In the last three weeks, Buffalo has allowed a league-high 422 interior rushing yards. If the Bills run defense continues to struggle, Chubb and Hunt could have big days and help lead the Browns to their third win "

 

This is the most specific thing I've heard, and it's all about how the Browns hope to use their guys, it's really not about how they need to play our guys.

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/11/browns-hc-hopes-nick-chubb-kareem-hunt-can-drain-some-energy-from-buffalo-bills-defense.html

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/07/baker-mayfield-we-have-to-force-feed-odell-beckham-early-in-games/

 

I get it that the Bills aren't a sky full of stars, but Tre' White is something like #3 CB in the league right now?  Poyer and Hyde the best safety duo?  Devin Singletary just had an amazing game? 

 

Eh, whateves I guess.

 

 

FWIW JA has had 4 rushing TD's

 

 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm

 

the last 2 were 1 yard QB "sneaks"  Was and NE 

Week 1 a 3 yard rush V NYETS

Week 2 a 6 yard rush V Giants 

 

 

Let the NFL world outside (and in) throw shade on the Bills 

It only makes them look uninformed 

Edited November 7, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

FWIW JA has had 4 rushing TD's

 

 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm

 

the last 2 were 1 yard QB "sneaks"  Was and NE 

Week 1 a 6 yard rush V Giants 

Week 2 a 6 yard rush V NYETS

 

 

You must have the teams flipped?  Week 1 vs Jets, week 2 vs Giants.

 

Point being, both of those plus the 1 yd sneaks were designed runs, not scrambles, correct?

[YoloinOhio]

12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

@YoloinOhio, did you listen to their pressers earlier in the week?

 

I thought Kitchens and Mayfield's pressers both had a very weird affect about them.  I can't really figure out how to describe them better than "weird".

It was like they were sleepwalking or something. I said elsewhere my first reaction was "Bar bar Baby", after the song about purple Drank.

 

Wednesday started with nice things about the Bills but still very generic:

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/11/freddie-kitchens-discusses-baker-mayfield-in-wednesday-press-conference-transcript.html

“It will be good to be back home facing a very good Buffalo Bills team that is playing good football. (Bills head coach) Sean (McDermott) is doing a great job with those guys. They are playing good defense. They run the ball very effectively. They play smart. They play tough. They are physical. Their defense keeps them in every game, and then their offense kind of tries to impose the will on you." 

 

It's nice, but it's so generic!

Then On the Bills ranking first in the NFL in red zone offense: “They are able to run the ball down there. Their quarterback is able to scramble. They get first downs down there. Sometimes it is just about picking up first downs down in the red zone, and they have done an excellent job of that.”

Yes, JA has scored TDs in the redzone, but someone correct me if I'm wrong, most of the time he scores in the redzone it has been on designed runs - either "and one" goal line push, or actual designed runs.  It's so generic, almost like he hasn't actually studied the film on the Bills very much at all.

Or is it "idiot savant" where he doesn't want to let on what he knows?

It finished with the reporters' take " Stopping the running back has been the Bills’ biggest problem as of late. In the last three weeks, Buffalo has allowed a league-high 422 interior rushing yards. If the Bills run defense continues to struggle, Chubb and Hunt could have big days and help lead the Browns to their third win "

 

This is the most specific thing I've heard, and it's all about how the Browns hope to use their guys, it's really not about how they need to play our guys.

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/11/browns-hc-hopes-nick-chubb-kareem-hunt-can-drain-some-energy-from-buffalo-bills-defense.html

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/07/baker-mayfield-we-have-to-force-feed-odell-beckham-early-in-games/

 

I get it that the Bills aren't a sky full of stars, but Tre' White is something like #3 CB in the league right now?  Poyer and Hyde the best safety duo?  Devin Singletary just had an amazing game? 

 

Eh, whateves I guess.

 

They say the same thing every week about every team and they always sound half asleep. I get that John Brown isn’t OBJ and Devin isn’t Chubb as far as being “household names” and Allen doesn’t have 75 endorsement deals like Baker but at least make it sound you have some idea who you are playing! 

Edited November 7, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

They say the same thing every week about every team and they always sound half asleep. I get that John Brown isn’t OBJ and Devin isn’t Chubb as far as being “household names” and Allen doesn’t have 75 endorsement deals like Baker but at least make it sound you have some idea who you are playing! 

 

Roger that!  Do they actually not know, or do you think it's just a ploy?

 

Even stuff like answering a question about the redzone, saying "their QB can scramble".  Well, yes, he can, but none of his rush TDs have been scrambles.

 

Strange.