Chandler#81 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I’d love to see @Alphadawg7 exonerated for the crap he took in that monstrosity thread. Maybe we were all hopeful and still unsure earlier in the year if Zay could take the next step and truly be a force here. We’re all sure now. I’m so sure, I don’t think a trade will happen because he’s only shown to be a liability, regardless of coach’s ‘endorsements’. I wouldn’t want him if I were coach of the NT Lumberjacks. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Cold Front Report....aren't they the ones who said we were trading for a dude earlier this season and to "be patient" and blah blah blah, and then they were dead wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Logic said: Cold Front Report....aren't they the ones who said we were trading for a dude earlier this season and to "be patient" and blah blah blah, and then they were dead wrong? Ha! Not very limiting. Is there a ‘news source’ anywhere that hasn’t done this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said: Ha! Not very limiting. Is there a ‘news source’ anywhere that hasn’t done this? They stated it as a complete certainty, though. "Don't sleep on our sources!" and "Be patient!". Can you point out any major news story or trade that they ever HAVE been the first ones to (correctly) report? I'm truly curious to know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 With all respect to coach he is blind in this regard, zay is in his 3rd season and making no headway, a virtual cornucopia of examples showing this has already been made public on this board, and reasonable options to remedy the issue have been proposed. We now just have to suffer until the light goes on in coaches head, and he moves on from his insistent yet misguided trust in zay. Oh well for us. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 this is from one other Zay threads 21 minutes ago, TroutDog said: From the Athletic today: https://theathletic.com/1258181/2019/10/01/bills-all-22-review-dissecting-josh-allens-day-and-why-theres-more-to-zay-jones-than-meets-the-eye/ Quote: “Jones must learn to make plays when he’s given the opportunity in non-perfect situations. He has shown glimpses of it in the past, but not consistently enough. At the same time, it isn’t as though he’s a useless player on the field. Jones has been targeted 18 times in 2019 and has seven receptions to show for it. According to Sports Info Solutions, only eight of those 18 targets were deemed catchable passes — and he’s brought in seven of them. Here’s another stat you didn’t see coming: According to NextGen Stats, Jones has a higher average rate of separation (2.7) than John Brown does (2.3) through the first four weeks. Jones is a role player on an offense trying to find its way, not an impact player. Despite being a disappointment considering where the Bills drafted him, he does add value to the offense.” Also: ”At the same time, Jones is the best blocking receiver on the roster and it isn’t particularly close.” 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 26 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: I’d love to see @Alphadawg7 exonerated for the crap he took in that monstrosity thread. Maybe we were all hopeful and still unsure earlier in the year if Zay could take the next step and truly be a force here. We’re all sure now. I’m so sure, I don’t think a trade will happen because he’s only shown to be a liability, regardless of coach’s ‘endorsements’. I wouldn’t want him if I were coach of the NT Lumberjacks. I’d take him on the Niagara Wheatfield Falcons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 16 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said: and does that sound smart to you if they did that? Trade away a contributor on a team that’s 3rd in the AFC for draft picks? Without really a proven replacement behind him? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 44 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: I’d love to see @Alphadawg7 exonerated for the crap he took in that monstrosity thread. Maybe we were all hopeful and still unsure earlier in the year if Zay could take the next step and truly be a force here. We’re all sure now. I’m so sure, I don’t think a trade will happen because he’s only shown to be a liability, regardless of coach’s ‘endorsements’. I wouldn’t want him if I were coach of the NT Lumberjacks. If you are referring to the BOLD prediction thread, no exoneration is needed. Alpha is a big boy, I think he's fine. If I'm wrong on the thread you speak of, my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I truly think that people are way overreacting to how poor Zay may or may not have played against the Patriots. He was way worse most other games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: I truly think that people are way overreacting to how poor Zay may or may not have played against the Patriots. He was way worse most other games. But this game was lost by a few plays - and could've been won had a few more plays been made. Zay dropped a pass that hit him in the hands. He failed to have the situational awareness to fight back for the ball and/or pull the DB out of bounds on the last INT. Those were important plays that could've changed the outcome of the game. On an opportunity cost basis, Zay Jones is the worst player in the NFL at any position. He actually gets opportunities (unlike, say, Nate Peterman) and continues to squander them. It's amazing that he continues to get them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: But this game was lost by a few plays - and could've been won had a few more plays been made. Zay dropped a pass that hit him in the hands. He failed to have the situational awareness to fight back for the ball and/or pull the DB out of bounds on the last INT. Those were important plays that could've changed the outcome of the game. On an opportunity cost basis, Zay Jones is the worst player in the NFL at any position. He actually gets opportunities (unlike, say, Nate Peterman) and continues to squander them. It's amazing that he continues to get them. Agree on all of that, except I wouldn’t say he’s absolute worst, and that was kind of my point. He’s shown to be poor long ago, many times. Edited October 2, 2019 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Who are we going to blame for others mistakes if Zay is gone. Why would a team trade for Zay when they can just sign Duke off the Bills PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, without a drought said: Who are we going to blame for others mistakes if Zay is gone. Why would a team trade for Zay when they can just sign Duke off the Bills PS. Because Zay is clearly so much better. SSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 NEVER been a fan! Terrible Draft Pick! As has been the case throughout the Millennium of prior regime’s failures, some dude named Ju Ju and another named Kimara still on the Board at the time! ?? A stone hands stiff, who is not completely mentally balanced and merely the best of the 2018 Sunday Beer League Bills’ Receiving corps! BEGONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I wouldn't cut him. I would promote Duke and release Zay. ...okay yeah I would cut him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Dopey said: Is Teddy kgb your alter ego!? Just about everyone wanted Tyrod gone, last year was a dumpsterfire at qb, no? And Josh has a 2/1 int to td ratio so far this year. That sucks and that's on Josh. Forgetting about Zay for a second, is what I just wrote not true? Again, if you can forget about Zay for even a second, is my statement not true? Why didn’t you answer my question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 47 minutes ago, without a drought said: Who are we going to blame for others mistakes if Zay is gone. Why would a team trade for Zay when they can just sign Duke off the Bills PS. Probably Cody Ford ? He was drafted high like Zay and shouldn’t suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Why didn’t you answer my question? Cuz I replied to someone else and I could go round and round and round and round with you but Jimmy John's showed up. More important things to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dopey said: Cuz I replied to someone else and I could go round and round and round and round with you but Jimmy John's showed up. More important things to do. Lol, nice cop out. I mean I get it, you can’t answer that question in any way that supports your clam, so I see why you’ve dodged it twice now. I mean it was a pretty simple question. Nice, Jimmy Johns, hopefully you got the classic Italian and told them to grill the meats and cheese... Hopefully you enjoy your meal and don’t think about Zay while eating, wouldn’t want you to drop it on the floor too ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Lol, nice cop out. I mean I get it, you can’t answer that question in any way that supports your clam, so I see why you’ve dodged it twice now. I mean it was a pretty simple question. Nice, Jimmy Johns, hopefully you got the classic Italian and told them to grill the meats and cheese... Hopefully you enjoy your meal and don’t think about Zay while eating, wouldn’t want you to drop it on the floor too ? I laughed at the bold, I know you meant "claim" but clam seemed to work there also . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: I laughed at the bold, I know you meant "claim" but clam seemed to work there also . Hahaha, I dont think I will even change it hahaha nice catch lmao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: I truly think that people are way overreacting to how poor Zay may or may not have played against the Patriots. He was way worse most other games. That's not helping.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said: That's not helping.... Wasn’t meant to be. I don’t think he should be playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Don Otreply said: With all respect to coach he is blind in this regard, zay is in his 3rd season and making no headway, a virtual cornucopia of examples showing this has already been made public on this board, and reasonable options to remedy the issue have been proposed. We now just have to suffer until the light goes on in coaches head, and he moves on from his insistent yet misguided trust in zay. Oh well for us. Go Bills!!! Worth noting, the coaches said the very same things about a Carolina Panther WR trade acquisition, despite all evidence to the contrary -right before they kicked him to the curb. I hold out hope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Lol, nice cop out. I mean I get it, you can’t answer that question in any way that supports your clam, so I see why you’ve dodged it twice now. I mean it was a pretty simple question. Nice, Jimmy Johns, hopefully you got the classic Italian and told them to grill the meats and cheese... Hopefully you enjoy your meal and don’t think about Zay while eating, wouldn’t want you to drop it on the floor too ? No one takes this as seriously as you do. Lighten up. I posted the qb's the last 3 years sucked. You don't agree, fine. Zay made the team and since then you've been on a mission. You're the one posting video of a practice squad player to justify getting rid of Zay, or posting an article of a potential trade from a toilet paper site/blog/whatever. He's clearly been in your head since cut down date. I don't think you would be this way if you hadn't made that prediction. The floor is dry now. You can get out of the corner you painted yourself in, Zay MADE THE TEAM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Clearly Zay hasnt had great QB play while here, buuuut Zay isnt giving QB's any good WR play either. He is a bottom tier receiver who needs a change of scenery to save his career. He sucks here.....PERIOD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dopey said: No one takes this as seriously as you do. Lighten up. I posted the qb's the last 3 years sucked. You don't agree, fine. Zay made the team and since then you've been on a mission. You're the one posting video of a practice squad player to justify getting rid of Zay, or posting an article of a potential trade from a toilet paper site/blog/whatever. He's clearly been in your head since cut down date. I don't think you would be this way if you hadn't made that prediction. The floor is dry now. You can get out of the corner you painted yourself in, Zay MADE THE TEAM! I find it hilarious you are trying to sell this agenda narrative again because you do realize you talk about him more than I do right? I mean, I left a week and a half and you were still talking about him too. You are in all the Zay threads too, and more often than me. And again, you continue to not answer a very simple question, one of which has been asked of you by other posters. And I think its pretty hysterical you think my dissatisfaction with Zay, something probably 90% of this fan base feels too now, is about a dumb prediction. Bottom line...you cant prove your claims right, so you resort to trying to create this false narrative that its about me having an agenda...hahaha, thats the most classic TSW move in history. You can't counter the facts against you, you cant disprove the criticisms, and you cant support your claims...so you TRY and spin it to an infamous "agenda". All good...you clearly can't and won't answer a very clear and simple question. Tell you what, I will let you off the hook. I mean no point chatting anymore if you wont just answer a very clear and simple question. Everything else is just more dribble to avoid answering a question asked of you multiple times now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I find it hilarious you are trying to sell this agenda narrative again because you do realize you talk about him more than I do right? I mean, I left a week and a half and you were still talking about him too. You are in all the Zay threads too, and more often than me. And again, you continue to not answer a very simple question, one of which has been asked of you by other posters. And I think its pretty hysterical you think my dissatisfaction with Zay, something probably 90% of this fan base feels too now, is about a dumb prediction. Bottom line...you cant prove your claims right, so you resort to trying to create this false narrative that its about me having an agenda...hahaha, thats the most classic TSW move in history. You can't counter the facts against you, you cant disprove the criticisms, and you cant support your claims...so you TRY and spin it to an infamous "agenda". All good...you clearly can't and won't answer a very clear and simple question. Tell you what, I will let you off the hook. I mean no point chatting anymore if you wont just answer a very clear and simple question. Everything else is just more dribble to avoid answering a question asked of you multiple times now. Why'd you leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Dopey said: Why'd you leave? Because the idiocy of a couple posters who were about to trigger me to lose my cool, so left before I got warning points, suspended, or banned for the annihilation of said individuals. But had a lot of posters, even mods, privately reach out to me in DM asking me to stay and brought me back sooner than I had planned. So I was actually still around, but stayed off the boards and only chatted in DM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Jimmy John’s doesn’t have a grill. What’s @Alphadawg7 talking about ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 Just now, Teddy KGB said: Jimmy John’s doesn’t have a grill. What’s @Alphadawg7 talking about ? hahahaha I mixed up Jimmy Johns with Jersey Mikes hahahaha. OOPS Had not had either in a while since I have been trying to limit carbs haha...both sound great right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: hahahaha I mixed up Jimmy Johns with Jersey Mikes hahahaha. OOPS Have they ever been seen in the same room together? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Have they ever been seen in the same room together? They might be today if I jump off the no carb bandwagon for a day...in my living room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 15 hours ago, DuckyBoys said: He's Josh Reed all over again Hopefully he is moved and soon. 30 yards per game sucks especially since he basically was a full time starter last year It should not be that difficult to find someone more capable than him to take those snaps What is even more alarming is he's a injury away from starting should Brown or Beasley get dinged. Buffalo needs to get serious about getting Allen more help and it starts right here. Sadly I think Zay is likely a JAG type player. Certainly capable of being a depth WR 4-5. If he develops into a capable special teams player he will certainly have a fairly long NFL career. I think he still has a chance to prove people wrong but as each game goes and he fails to stand out much my personal hope for him is diminished. I would look to package Zay with a 5th or 4th round pick to try and get Emmanuel Sanders. Sanders is on the smaller side and more of a high end WR2. But he would represent a significant upgrade at WR and be a good veteran presence for Josh. He is still very productive and a quality player. I think Denver netting a decent mid-round pick and getting a chance to kick the tires on Zay for the rest of 2019 and bring him into camp in 2020 is a fair return for a vet WR on the last year of his deal. Although Denver might not be willing to part with him for anything less than a 3rd if they feel he would net a 3rd round comp pick. I wouldn't trade a 3rd rounder for a Sanders rental as I think it wouldn't be worth it. But as far as Zay goes I think it would be worth throwing him in a trade for a WR or trading him for a late rounder to a team that might want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 This forum always needs a whipping boy... People act as the #3 WR is a maker or breaker on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 On 10/1/2019 at 3:29 PM, Not at the table Karlos said: The raiders And he'll be reunited with Nate Peterman! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 7 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: I’d love to see @Alphadawg7 exonerated for the crap he took in that monstrosity thread. Maybe we were all hopeful and still unsure earlier in the year if Zay could take the next step and truly be a force here. We’re all sure now. I’m so sure, I don’t think a trade will happen because he’s only shown to be a liability, regardless of coach’s ‘endorsements’. I wouldn’t want him if I were coach of the NT Lumberjacks. I wish I could like your post more than once Chandler. The problem is, if I am quoting Alpha correctly, that most of the board was very respectful in disagreeing, but that there were a few specific posters who most disagreed/antagonized depending on who is framing it. I would love to, but don't know if we will, see anyone own up to that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 17 hours ago, Pete said: name 5 worse please. 5 WRs you would not trade Zay for 38.9 catch %, wins zero 50-50 balls, alligator arms, avoids contact, zero football instincts, little if any seperation, makes zero big plays, and seems to choke, horrible hands.....I could go on....show me 5 worse WR please WR 4 or 5 or 6 on any roster because they can't even crack the starting lineup on their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said: If he held on to the ball on the pass from Barkley with 10:47 remaining, we win the game. If he breaks up the two interceptions, we win the game. And, wasn't there a halfback pass from John Brown to Zay that he dropped? I used to really want to see him succeed, but it's time to move on. Throw more to Knox, bring up the Duke and trade/sign a sure-handed receiver. The 4th down pass was a bad pass. If he had caught it he would've been outside the end zone anyway. Because it was a bad pass. Calvin Johnson at 6'6 would have caught it. Julio Jones at 6'4 might have caught it. If Barkley throws a better pass We win the game. interception 2, Zay has his man beat by three damn yards. A better pass is a TD and we win the game. Why is it his fault the QB couldn't hit him? He was wide open going toward the end zone. You go outside and run as fast as you can in one direction then try to stop and go a totally different direction in a split second. interception 3 I'll give you. He could have made a better effort. At the same time when does our QB stop doing dumb s?!t like throwing the ball into nowhere? If Josh stops making dumb passes there won't be multiple interceptions and we win the game. And don't forget If Allen doesn't overthrow Zay, who had a step on his man, by five yards going toward the tunnel-end end zone we might score there too. This is the type of BS I'm talking about. Make sense with your criticisms. Zay ain't living up to his draft status, the Bills can upgrade from him, but everything that goes wrong isn't his fault either. Dude is open his share. QB has to throw a good pass too Edited October 2, 2019 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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