TC in St. Louis Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I just watched the replay of Hauschka's miss from 49 yards. The Patriot, #58, hurdled the line and jumped in his face. Is this legal? McDermott seemed to have a problem with this. Here's the rule: Running forward and leaping across the line of scrimmage in an obvious attempt to block a field goal or Try Kick, unless the player was in a stationary position on the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped. A player who is behind the line of scrimmage before, or at the snap, may run forward and leap, provided he does not cross the line of scrimmage or land on players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 It’s not. Missed call by refs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Ethan in Portland said: It’s not. Missed call by refs I'm for one am shocked!. Shocked I say! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, TC in St. Louis said: I just watched the replay of Hauschka's miss from 49 yards. The Patriot, #58, hurdled the line and jumped in his face. Is this legal? McDermott seemed to have a problem with this. Here's the rule: Running forward and leaping across the line of scrimmage in an obvious attempt to block a field goal or Try Kick, unless the player was in a stationary position on the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped. A player who is behind the line of scrimmage before, or at the snap, may run forward and leap, provided he does not cross the line of scrimmage or land on players. should have been called. Wasn’t. Seems there was a lot of that on Sunday 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: It’s not. Missed call by refs Kind of like the miss with the 3rd INT where Zay was out of bounds touching the ball which made the whole play dead before he gained possession... Both the refs AND the replay missed that...how can you feel good about replay when they don't even know the rules they are trying to enforcing 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, matter2003 said: Kind of like the miss with the 3rd INT where Zay was out of bounds touching the ball which made the whole play dead before he gained possession... Both the refs AND the replay missed that...how can you feel good about replay when they don't even know the rules they are trying to enforcing I personally like the Missed Facemask on Allen RIGHT IN FRONT of the One official with eyes locked on the QB. or the three missed intentional groundings from Brady in front of the SAME official 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Calls are missed every game both ways. Overall it was a reasonably well called game. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I'm not convinced that he was running forward. If he was just lined up there and jumped from a relative standstill, it's not a penalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 If its cheating, sign me up BB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chill Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 We got screwed by the refs and still had a chance. It’s unfortunate the league is this way. Money and greed over quality, the nfl way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Our guard was pulled to the ground to allow the hurdle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, MAJBobby said: I personally like the Missed Facemask on Allen RIGHT IN FRONT of the One official with eyes locked on the QB. I wouldn't have called that one either. And Josh sure as hell shouldn't be trying to call it while the play is still live. 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: or the three missed intentional groundings from Brady in front of the SAME official I only saw two they missed, But they also called one on him I thought was a weak call. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Simon said: I wouldn't have called that one either. And Josh sure as hell shouldn't be trying to call it while the play is still live. I only saw two they missed, But they also called one on him I thought was a weak call. so you wouldn’t call an obvious penalty. so does Kraft treat you to run and tugs too. does Brady get that missed Allen call? YEP does Allen get called on this intentional groundings? Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: so you wouldn’t call an obvious penalty. so does Kraft treat you to run and tugs too. does Brady get that missed Allen call? YEP does Allen get called on this intentional groundings? Yep. You are just making that up. There is no evidence Brady gets any more calls for roughing the passer. Facemask is a judgement call now when they got rid of the incidental call. I think it should have been called but I can see why they didn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: so you wouldn’t call an obvious penalty. so does Kraft treat you to run and tugs too. Pretty classy way to talk at a guy just because he disagrees with you about a football penalty Cowboy up and quit being one of them; it's beneath you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemfield2622 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 i tweeted several different Bills media people asking about this. it seems most people didnt notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: You are just making that up. There is no evidence Brady gets any more calls for roughing the passer. Facemask is a judgement call now when they got rid of the incidental call. I think it should have been called but I can see why they didn’t. Just providing the link to the roughing the passer penalties and qb that benefits. I’m surprised fitz tops the list. Brady is 7th. https://www.nflpenalties.com/roughing-the-passer-by-qb.php? Edited September 30, 2019 by Not at the table Karlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: You are just making that up. There is no evidence Brady gets any more calls for roughing the passer. Facemask is a judgement call now when they got rid of the incidental call. I think it should have been called but I can see why they didn’t. Brady gets that call everytime. Been shown and been proven. 9 minutes ago, Simon said: Pretty classy way to talk at a guy just because he disagrees with you about a football penalty Cowboy up and quit being one of them; it's beneath you. so let me ask did Brady get fined for criticizing Officials like every player does? When he tweeted about it or no? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I personally like the Missed Facemask on Allen RIGHT IN FRONT of the One official with eyes locked on the QB. or the three missed intentional groundings from Brady in front of the SAME official McD's gotta call NY. This officiating favoritism on behalf of NE is getting over the top. We've dealt with it for nearly 20 years. No owner (especially Kraft) should be allowed on an officiating committee. It's a conflict of interest. Yesterday was the last straw. One of those 3 international groundings was so blatant I said to myself their never going to let us near this protected franchise. 2 critical offsetting plays. Even Gene Steratore came on after the Zay int. and said the refs missed the call. How much longer does this @#$% have to go on? Do we have to wait till TB retires and the Pats become irrelevant before the NFL shuts off the officiating valve? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamDMC Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Not a penalty I watched play like 30 times the night of the game because I was super pissed that it wasn't called. The player didn't run more than a yard to jump the line nor did he land on anyone or leverage his jump with another player. It was totally clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: It’s not. Missed call by refs These "missed" calls always seem to go NE's way. Why didn't they "miss" the phantom penalty that wiped out the personal foul when Allen got his head nearly taken off? They also "missed" Brady's second intentional grounding. Edited September 30, 2019 by Azucho98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRA3196 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 The league is really bad: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 As someone else said, not a missed call. He was on the line and leaped over. Completely legal play based on the rule. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: so let me ask did Brady get fined for criticizing Officials like every player does? When he tweeted about it or no? I honestly have no idea what he said or whether he got fined. That stuff holds zero interest for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, DRA3196 said: The league is really bad: In light of the insult implied to the NFL’s fine staff of officials, the league has awarded a compensatory draft pick to the winners of Super Bowl LIII. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say When... Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: may run forward and leap, provided he does not cross the line of scrimmage or land on players. 1 minute ago, MarkAF43 said: As someone else said, not a missed call. He was on the line and leaped over. Completely legal play based on the rule. What am I missing? Or better yet how are you translating the rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Kind of like the miss with the 3rd INT where Zay was out of bounds touching the ball which made the whole play dead before he gained possession... Both the refs AND the replay missed that...how can you feel good about replay when they don't even know the rules they are trying to enforcing There were at least 2-3 times it seemed like Bready could have been called for intentional grounding as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Say When... said: What am I missing? Or better yet how are you translating the rule? I take it as the part you can’t do it unless stationary on the line. He was stationary on the line. But i am not smart. So I could very well be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Say When... said: What am I missing? Or better yet how are you translating the rule? For it to be illegal, he' got to be running forward when he jumps over the line. If he just jumps over from a standstill, it's not a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 35 minutes ago, Simon said: I'm not convinced that he was running forward. If he was just lined up there and jumped from a relative standstill, it's not a penalty He clearly leaped over the LOS. Penalty should have resulted. 3 minutes ago, Simon said: For it to be illegal, he' got to be running forward when he jumps over the line. If he just jumps over from a standstill, it's not a penalty. Read the rule. He can’t cross the line of scrimmage , he can leap up in place to attempt to block the kick . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: He clearly leaped over the LOS. Penalty should have resulted. Read the rule. He can’t cross the line of scrimmage , he can leap up in place to attempt to block the kick . I know the rule. I think you need to read it Here's the rule: Running forward and leaping across the line of scrimmage.... He was not running forward. It was not a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Simon said: I know the rule. I think you need to read it Here's the rule: Running forward and leaping across the line of scrimmage.... He was not running forward. It was not a penalty. Was he running and leaping in place? And for anyone that thinks Tom doesn't get that Facemask call. Edited September 30, 2019 by The Wiz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Simon said: I know the rule. I think you need to read it Here's the rule: Running forward and leaping across the line of scrimmage.... He was not running forward. It was not a penalty. Read the last sentence and maybe you change your mind. It seems pretty obvious. I don’t care if you do or not, it’s just pretty clearly stated in the OPs post. The sentence you highlight isn’t the key phrase here. If I hear from say, Gene Steratore that the meaning is something other than what I see here, I’d believe that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, The Wiz said: Was he running and leaping in place? No, he wasn't running at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say When... Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Does anyone have the clip? I can’t find it on youtube or google, I found where coach is pointing to the replay screen but not the actual clip. i think he was moving forward but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Simon said: No, he wasn't running at all. Doesn’t matter, according to the rule posted by the OP. The entire paragraph must be read and applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Simon said: No, he wasn't running at all. Wow. I must admit I just assumed he was running in order to clear the line. Perhaps it was a good call then. That won't appease the masses who believe the refs favor certain teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Doesn’t matter, according to the rule posted by the OP. The entire paragraph must be read and applied. Yeah and the key part of that paragraph is IF THE PLAYER IS RUNNING FORWARD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, 1ManRaid said: Yeah and the key part of that paragraph is IF THE PLAYER IS RUNNING FORWARD. The key part to me is the last sentence of the paragraph. Seems pretty clear. Your mileage may vary, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, Simon said: I honestly have no idea what he said or whether he got fined. That stuff holds zero interest for me. You are saying you haven't heard of his widely covered Twitter complaint about the number of holding penalties, suspiciously immediately followed by his O-line of backups not getting holding penalties against the dominant Bills D-line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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