Figster Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: I was at the game Sunday and there was 1 reason the Bills lost the game. They lost the game for one reason - Josh Allen. He was absolutely putrid at QB. I’m a big fan of Allen but he was THE reason why we lost. We’re starting to get to the point where you can’t use the whole “lack of experience” excuses for Allen. For all the progress be seemed to make, we still see him revert back to the traits (holding onto the ball, poor footwork passing up short routes, inaccuracies) from college. We saw on Sunday that the thing he does well, scrambling, leaves his open for huge cheap shots to the head. He also doesn’t seem to be elevating the offense either. Take a look at how much better NYG has been since Daniel Jones took over last week. Or how much better Cleveland was behind Baker and not Tyrod. Or to a MUCH lesser extent Gardiner Minshew in Jacksonville. Allen has struggled to generate much more than 20 points per game. So have you lost faith in Josh Allen? If you haven’t lost faith, what give you hope that he will eventually start elevating the offense? I’m completely on the fence, but trending toward skepticism, unfortunately. The play from the QB position will always be a deciding factor in any football game in my humble opinion. The Pats have been beating down every opponent they face this season. NFL QB's couldn't even muster up a TD before Buffalo scored against them. Sure, Josh Allen stunk the place up with his play on Sunday. Allen is still very early in his development regardless If you like hear it or not facing arguably the best Defensive guru in the game coaching a D that eats ALL NFL QB's for Lunch. Myself personally, its easy to understand why J A struggled. Whats Tom Brady's excuse? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Threads like this almost make me miss the offseason threads. Some of you folks should take a few days away from the keyboard after a loss. We don't need to be blindly optimistic, but the dude is essentially a rookie with new talent ALL around him. He's already shown he can shake off the crusty schitt to pull out wins. He needs to learn and move forward, and he's already proven he can do that. If you're in this for immediate gratification, you picked the wrong sport. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 36 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: I think he is the quarterback of an exceptionally good football team, but I wouldnt say I ever went over to the side of having faith in him. Running aside, he is putting up numbers very close to guys like Blake Bortles, Deshone Kizer, and Geno Smith- sense a trend here. I am not sure Josh is ever going to be a good starter in the NFL. I think the Bills spent a first round pick on a more athletic Derek Anderson. Everytime he rolls to his right everyone knows whats coming. I hope I am wrong, but he may be the worst starting quarterback in the league right now. He's 33rd in QB Rating among qualified QBs so this isn't a stretch. 1 hour ago, K-Apps said: Biggest reason why I didn’t like the pick of him and why I was never sold on him. I don’t think those traits can be easily fixed and corrected. You either have that awareness and smarts like Brady or you don’t. The fact that Barkley cold was making quick reads and getting the receivers the ball is a big concern about how Allen’s hold on the offense. Beane and McDermott are going have further improve the O-Line and get a true #1 WR either by trade or draft. I don’t think Allen can carry this offense into the playoffs unless he improves that aspect of his game. Allen hasn't shown he learns anything after making mistakes. Yesterday: Interception #1 was a throw into double coverage down the field. Interception #2 was a very poorly thrown ball into double coverage down the field. Interception #3 was a throw into double coverage down the sideline that should have been thrown away. He makes the same mistakes over and over and over again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 So a young QB with a winning record struggles who doesn’t even have a full season of games on his resume yet was facing one of the best defenses in the NFL, the single greatest defensive mind in the history of football by a WIDE margin in BB, while also missing Singletary and playing with WRs who couldnt get open and behind an inconsistent OL still learning to play together...and your take away is to lose faith???? Let’s not forget 8 of the 10 starters around him are also all new and playing just their 4th game together. Come on people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Figster said: Whats Tom Brady's excuse? Exactly. He was absolutely horrible yesterday. I'm not a big fan of "If this didn't happen..." to justify our team, but if you remove the blocked punt yesterday, the talk today would be about Brady's embarrassing day against an outstanding Bills defense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 110%. Kid is what he is and if you expect to be a consistent winning team with him, you are backing the wrong horse. The turnovers are just piling up week and week and kid just doesn't seem to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: So a young QB with a winning record struggles who doesn’t even have a full season of games on his resume yet was facing one of the best defenses in the NFL, the single greatest defensive mind in the history of football by a WIDE margin in BB, while also missing Singletary and playing with WRs who couldnt get open and behind an inconsistent OL still learning to play together...and your take away is to lose faith???? Let’s not forget 8 of the 10 starters around him are also all new and playing just their 4th game together. Come on people. Glad I have someone else to lean on to battle the incessant stupid. A little fuzzy after yesterday. Thanks Sam Smith. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: So a young QB with a winning record struggles who doesn’t even have a full season of games on his resume yet was facing one of the best defenses in the NFL, the single greatest defensive mind in the history of football by a WIDE margin in BB, while also missing Singletary and playing with WRs who couldnt get open and behind an inconsistent OL still learning to play together...and your take away is to lose faith???? Let’s not forget 8 of the 10 starters around him are also all new and playing just their 4th game together. Come on people. Folks who were frustrated they couldn't express themselves during the three game win streak are making up for lost opportunities. And some others should just take a 72 hour break after a loss to avoid overly reactive foolishness, but then again, it's the internet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 ***** no. JA is the franchise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: Exactly. He was absolutely horrible yesterday. I'm not a big fan of "If this didn't happen..." to justify our team, but if you remove the blocked punt yesterday, the talk today would be about Brady's embarrassing day against an outstanding Bills defense. I think the issue is that the biggest thing holding this team back right now from being a true Super Bowl contending team is its QB play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 He's going to be a good/great QB. Needs to take this as lesson... don't try to carry the offense/take unnecessary risk. This was a very good NE defense and we were in the game to the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: He's 33rd in QB Rating among qualified QBs so this isn't a stretch. Allen hasn't shown he learns anything after making mistakes. Yesterday: Interception #1 was a throw into double coverage down the field. Interception #2 was a very poorly thrown ball into double coverage down the field. Interception #3 was a throw into double coverage down the sideline that should have been thrown away. He makes the same mistakes over and over and over again. Just for the heck of it I reviewed some posters' histories. I noted you had no posts about Allen or about the QB play or pretty much any thing about the team the first 3 weeks when they won. And now because they lose to the Pats, and because Allen had a tough outing, all of a sudden you're all over the board commenting on the kid, and how bad he is and so on. And it's not like you were off on an island with no Internet access because during those first three weeks you were on the Politics section pretty regularly. So why do we hide and stay mum when things are good for the team, but jump out and comment when they have a loss? What is the agenda here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachT Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Nihilarian said: Allow me to remind Bills fans that in his 6 years as an NFL offensive coordinator for four different teams Brian Daboll has never fielded better than 23rd. in passing yards! 2009 Cleveland (5-11) Points for 29, Yards for 32. Passing yards that season 32nd 2010 Cleveland (5-11). PF 31, YF 29. Passing yards that season 29th 2011 Miami (6-10). PF 20, YF 22. Passing yards that season 23rd 2012 Kansas (2-12) PF 32, YF 24. Passing yards that season 32nd 2018 Buffalo (6-10) PF 30, YF 30. Passing yards that season 31st. 2019 Buffalo (3-0) PF 17, YF 8. Passing yards in the first three games 19th The Buffalo Bills just played the NE Patriots with the #1 defense in points allowed, #1 in yards allowed. The Bills scored the very first TD against that defense this season. The 2018 SB winners with pro bowl, all pro ex Bills CB Stephon Gilmore! So what does Brian Daboll call in that first series against that defense ...Pass, incomplete, Pass, incomplete, 5 yard penalty (no play), Run, Run, Penalty (center ineligible downfield?) Penalty TE Lee Smith. 1st and 20 at Buffalo 30, Daboll calls for a deep middle pass to John Brown INT! Line playing poorly, penalties, and with Gore the Bills should should have come out running. Bills Blocked punt for 7 pts... Missed FG. Turnover on downs. Out coached on offense! and here is a list of the QB's he had to work with Brady Quinn, Derek Anderson, Colt McCoy, Jake Delhomme, Matt Moore, Chad Henne, Matt Cassell. Daboll is the best OC we have had in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Apps Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, jrober38 said: He's 33rd in QB Rating among qualified QBs so this isn't a stretch. Allen hasn't shown he learns anything after making mistakes. Yesterday: Interception #1 was a throw into double coverage down the field. Interception #2 was a very poorly thrown ball into double coverage down the field. Interception #3 was a throw into double coverage down the sideline that should have been thrown away. He makes the same mistakes over and over and over again. Those picks were compounded by the fact those balls were ducks due to not setting his feet and throwing off his back foot. At least he was set, maybe one or two of those of those are either TDs or overthrows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 We knew he was going to be a project. We knew we had to be very patient. This might take 3 full years before he figures it out. My biggest fear is not his physical capacity but his mental demeanor. He keeps making the same mistake. He has the capacity to learn but it's almost like he refuses to? Dabol, his wrs and the oline didn't do him any favors yesterday. Sean had to know BB would bring 5-6 guys all day. There were no hot reads, few short passes & screens. They should've insisted to Josh, you're going short today whether you like it or not. His slow eyes and poor read progressions killed him yesterday. He will bounce back but this development will take longer than most qbs.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, oldmanfan said: Just for the heck of it I reviewed some posters' histories. I noted you had no posts about Allen or about the QB play or pretty much any thing about the team the first 3 weeks when they won. And now because they lose to the Pats, and because Allen had a tough outing, all of a sudden you're all over the board commenting on the kid, and how bad he is and so on. And it's not like you were off on an island with no Internet access because during those first three weeks you were on the Politics section pretty regularly. So why do we hide and stay mum when things are good for the team, but jump out and comment when they have a loss? What is the agenda here? You need to find a new obsession. It's getting creepy. Our QB is statistically speaking one of the worst QBs in the NFL this year. And you're telling me I have an agenda? Ummm, what??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, CoachT said: Daboll is the best OC we have had in years. I too believe this to be the case, but he still does some mind-bendingly stupid things. Like, the no-huddle wrecked the Patriots on the TD drive, then we don't see it again. Why? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: You need to find a new obsession. It's getting creepy. Our QB is statistically speaking one of the worst QBs in the NFL this year. And you're telling me I have an agenda? Ummm, what??? Why exactly were you nowhere to be seen when the team was 3-0, and now only come out after a loss? And I have already said numerous times Allen played bad yesterday. I have no agenda with him. Edited September 30, 2019 by oldmanfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, K-Apps said: Those picks were compounded by the fact those balls were ducks due to not setting his feet and throwing off his back foot. At least he was set, maybe one or two of those of those are either TDs or overthrows His mechanics were a mess yesterday. He missed two wide open 5 yard outs on the first two drives. He hasn't completed a deep ball all year. The real problem though is the decision making. On the 2nd interception, he had (and looked at) Frank Gore wide open in the left flat, because the linebacker covering him literally fell down. Instead of taking the wide open check down that probably would have been a 30-40 yard gain because there was no one within 25 yards of Gore, Allen heaved the deep ball, poorly, and it was easily intercepted. Allen throws too many interceptions and fumbles the ball too many times. He needs to clean it up by the end of the year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachT Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: I too believe this to be the case, but he still does some mind-bendingly stupid things. Like, the no-huddle wrecked the Patriots on the TD drive, then we don't see it again. Why? The one I'm stuck on is having Lee Smith running an out and up on 3rd and 15(I think) on one of the biggest plays in the game. Why was he even on the field. Dawson would have shredded that linebacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: Why exactly were you nowhere to be seen when the team was 3-0, and now only come out after a loss? Why do you care? Why do I have to explain myself to you? Your obsession with me and anyone who says anything critical about Josh Allen is extremely bizarre. I'm going to go ahead and put you on the ignore list because it's growing tiring having you respond to each of my posts with the same worthless drivel drivel time after time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) Full disclosure: I'm a Jets fan (although I live in New England). I'm just not sure you can really outgrow the combination of inaccuracy and poor decision making. Yes, he is spectacular in spurts but his performance has been fairly consistent in HS, JC, College and his rookie year. He completes barely more than half of his passes and turns the ball over a lot. But then he will impress the hell out of you with a sixty yard bomb or fifty yard scramble. But I'm not sure he's going to get a whole lot more consistent. I was listening to part of the game on the radio yesterday and Patriots homer color guy Scott Zolak (who is a total D-bag) was absolutely merciless, laughing over the play by play guy at Allen's poor decisions, saying he doesn't know how to check down, "this guy doesn't have it," and saying the Bills should draft their next QB "right now." Not saying I agree with him but he was ruthless. (His guy wasn't much better yesterday, FWIW.) I'd like to see Allen succeed (although not too much against the Jets) because he seems like a good kid and it could make for a fun AFC east rivalry over the next ten years but I'm not betting on it. His poor traits might not be fixable. But the Bills have an awesome defense and I wouldn't be surprised if they make the playoffs with him this year. Edited September 30, 2019 by Bruce Harper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: Blaming Daboll comes off as scapegoating Oh does it now? What do you think saying the “one reason we lost the game was Josh Allen” comes off as in the face of huge ST miscues etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said: Full disclosure: I'm a Jets fan (although I live in New England). I'm just not sure you can really outgrow the combination of inaccuracy and poor decision making. Yes, he is spectacular in spurts but his performance has been fairly consistent in HS, JC, College and his freshman year. He completes barely more than half of his passes and turns the ball over a lot. But then he will impress the hell out of you with a sixty yard bomb or fifty yard scramble. But I'm not sure he's going to get a whole lot more consistent. I was listening to part of the game on the radio yesterday and Patriots homer color guy Scott Zolak (who is a total D-bag) was absolutely merciless, laughing over the play by guy at Allen's poor decisions, saying he doesn't know how to check down, "this guy doesn't have it," and saying the Bills should draft their next QB "right now." Not saying I agree with him but he was ruthless. (His guy wasn't much better yesterday, FWIW.) I'd like to see Allen succeed (although not too much against the Jets) because he seems like a good kid and it could make for a fun AFC east rivalry over the next ten years but I'm not betting on it. His poor traits might not be fixable. But the Bills have an awesome defense and I wouldn't be surprised if they make the playoffs with him this year. The decision making is the problem. The accuracy isn't. He's been fairly accurate this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, jrober38 said: He's 33rd in QB Rating among qualified QBs so this isn't a stretch. Allen hasn't shown he learns anything after making mistakes. Yesterday: Interception #1 was a throw into double coverage down the field. Interception #2 was a very poorly thrown ball into double coverage down the field. Interception #3 was a throw into double coverage down the sideline that should have been thrown away. He makes the same mistakes over and over and over again. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco are in the top 10 in QB rating with 1 win combined this season. Ever think there might be more to the starting QB and leader of a football team then stats show? Myself personally, again talks cheaper then the Cheatriot ways. If Josh Allen is on the field for the last minute drive on Sunday NOBODY is stopping THEM... ... Not in my not so humble opinion... ...One Buffalo Strong... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Lost faith? No, I haven't. Josh has a long way to go, but I haven't lost any faith. He still hasn't even had a full season of play and is only 23 years old. The Pats have one of the best defenses in the NFL. Lets not forget that. Outside of the interceptions, he played just as good as Brady did yesterday against a very tough defense. Had he stayed in the game he may have gotten us the lead. We will never know. I know the first drive in the second half, when the play calls were different, the guy was on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I would say it has shaken my faith because up until this game he was generally making enough smart plays to cover his bad and the growth was noticeable. Yesterday was his first real test of if he could be the guy at QB and he was a tire fire to the point I had to look objectively if he can cut these bad plays out for good. Not every team will be as good as NEs defense but 8-10 wins a year by picking on weak foes and collapsing your QB against real resistance. I look forward to seeing how he responds and if he can clean up his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Why do you care? Why do I have to explain myself to you? Your obsession with me and anyone who says anything critical about Josh Allen is extremely bizarre. I'm going to go ahead and put you on the ignore list because it's growing tiring having you respond to each of my posts with the same worthless drivel drivel time after time. You don't like someone challenging your takes. Too bad. I get on your stuff because you only come on here to crow when the team does poorly. Because you think it somehow shows your genius in evaluating Qbs. And you're the guy that would have traded the entire draft to get Winston. To me that sows you don't have the knowledge you think you have, and it's beyond irritating when you come on here and pretend you do, only after a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 He’ll be out for the season if he continues to play the style he at right now.... that is the biggest fault in his game right now. I guess I can live with deep INTs, but it made me think we need a big go get it receiver if that’s the type of player Allen is going to be front time to time... the TE needs to be better utilized in this offense, i think that would hep Allen our a lot. lost faith? Don’t be stupid, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Figster said: Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco are in the top 10 in QB rating Um, no they're not. Ryan is 20th at 93.1 and Flacco is 21st at 90.4. Josh Allen is 33rd at 69.6. Edited September 30, 2019 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman Kelly Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Yesterday, Josh Allen looked like a rookie. He's still our best chance to win at the QB position, and I don't think he's proven that he will never be any better. He has yet to play at an elite level for more than half of any game he's started. However, he's already good enough to beat many sub-par teams around the league (which might not be saying much). I haven't seen any reporting on how much damage the hit to head did. We all remember what happened to Trent Edwards after his concussion. Let's see what happens for the rest of the season, but the Bills management should already be thinking of their next move if Allen doesn't pan out. He was always a calculated gamble, at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: Made him look bad for 1 half. 2nd half was a different story Allen did lead the Bills downfield for a TD in the 2nd half, and we were driving when he was knocked out, or were we watching different games? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: We knew he was going to be a project. We knew we had to be very patient. This might take 3 full years before he figures it out. My biggest fear is not his physical capacity but his mental demeanor. He keeps making the same mistake. He has the capacity to learn but it's almost like he refuses to? Dabol, his wrs and the oline didn't do him any favors yesterday. Sean had to know BB would bring 5-6 guys all day. There were no hot reads, few short passes & screens. They should've insisted to Josh, you're going short today whether you like it or not. His slow eyes and poor read progressions killed him yesterday. He will bounce back but this development will take longer than most qbs.... THIS I foresee us being in a similar situation as Tampa/Titans with Winston/Mariota where we are going to go into his final contract year and make the decision to continue with Allen or not... do I hope he figures it out? YES, the dude has the highest ceiling out of any QB right now... but am I concerned that he wonʻt figure it out? YES, same errors over and over again needs to stop NOW. But to answer the question: No, I am not losing faith, but I am bummed that his trajectory is taking longer than it should 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 26 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: Threads like this almost make me miss the offseason threads. Some of you folks should take a few days away from the keyboard after a loss. We don't need to be blindly optimistic, but the dude is essentially a rookie with new talent ALL around him. He's already shown he can shake off the crusty schitt to pull out wins. He needs to learn and move forward, and he's already proven he can do that. If you're in this for immediate gratification, you picked the wrong sport. I disagree. The thread is questioning the future of the franchise after several turnover-laden performances this season. As a Bills fan, I think it’s understandable to be concerned about Allen. You could see some of the progress he made over the first few games but you also saw many of the same the same mistakes as well. For me what was most disappointing about the loss yesterday was the fact that he essentially reverted back to “Wyoming Josh.” Given his performance this week, I think there could be cause for concern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Allen has to quit being stubborn. That's really the crux of it. The accuracy thing has been answered this season; he has ben very accurate for the most part, missed a coupele throws like all QBs do but has largely been on target. But he has to get that roll out to the right and chuck it downfield throw out of his repertoire, as he does the keep fading back and throwing while backpedaling trick he does. He is trying to make plays when they aren't there because he's being stubborn. The frustrating thing is on the drives where he has led the team back from being down (like yesterday) or like the opening of the Jets and Giants games, he has it within him to take the shorter throws and move the team down the field. He has it within him to use the team around him. He just has to get over that stubbornness where he thinks he has to do it all. Daboll screaming at him like he did yesterday might work, or maybe a vet like Gore needs to take him to the side and patiently explain how he needs to stop that stuff. If he does we'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 This was, what, his 15th NFL start? He was considered incredibly raw coming in. And he was playing against a great defense and the best defensive mind of all time. Yesterday was disappointing, but I'm nowhere near pushing the panic button. I expect Josh to struggle at times this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I too believe this to be the case, but he still does some mind-bendingly stupid things. Like, the no-huddle wrecked the Patriots on the TD drive, then we don't see it again. Why? Yes. And one could craft a list - Lee Smith and Andre Roberts? Gore is playing great - so stop running etc I think Belichek is in Daboll’s head and he tries too hard when facing him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Um, no they're not. Ryan is 20th at 93.1 and Flacco is 21st at 90.4. Josh Allen is 33rd at 69.6. http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Allen did lead the Bills downfield for a TD in the 2nd half, and we were driving when he was knocked out, or were we watching different games? He did. He also looked lost for the majority of the same committed some huge turnovers that essentially dug the team into that hole. The fact they they were down just 13-3 at the half is a testament to the awesome performance of the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Apps Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I know it’s Benoit, but this an example of Allen not reading what the Pats are doing here. Gotta make a quick throw as soon as the ball is snapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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