I know it and you know it, Josh Allen was about to take the game over.

[BillsBlue]

What a tough way to lose the game!!!! Roast me, call me crazy but I've seen it in every 4th q comeback he's had all of a sudden he hits a groove and starts making plays left and right. It started to happen at the last bit of play before the 2nd q ended, Allen figured out their defense and started going to work. He came out in the third quarter and put in work and by the end of the third quarter it was evident he was putting the team on his back and willing another 4th q comeback. Hell I'd bet anything that he would've gotten into the endzone on 1 of the 3 or 4 chances Barkley had when he ran out of downs. At the end of the day New England knew they had to knock Allen out of the game once he got rolling. 

 

In summation- If Allen wasn't cheap shotted we win that game. Does he need to change his decisions and not throw off his back foot while being hit??? Yes, is he as clutch as it gets when the game is on the line??? Absolutely

 

Ps- Gore should've gotten more touches, Knox needs to be fed he has hands of glue, bring up the Duke and bench Zay(ps I was a big Zay supporter in the past). 

 

 

[dlonce]

Agree. JA was our best chance to win. That game plan was terrible, and should have been quick one to two step drops with the ball out.

Dabol did a terrible job.

[NewEra]

I was really hoping for a Willis reed type entrance back to the field with 3 mins left, then run for first down after first down until we hit the end zone and get the W

1 minute ago, dlonce said:

Agree. JA was our best chance to win. That game plan was terrible, and should have been quick one to two step drops with the ball out.

Dabol did a terrible job.

Gotta see the all 22 imo.  

[Lurker]

[BillsBlue]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

I was really hoping for a Willis reed type entrance back to the field with 3 mins left, then run for first down after first down until we hit the end zone and get the W

Gotta see the all 22 imo.  

I also was really hoping he came back out for the last couple minutes honestly he seemed fine and not punch drunk in the least but you gotta protect this kids melon imo he's too important we need him for the Long haul better safe than sorry 

[Augie]

The guy has a knack for coming from behind. It’s a shame a cheap shot to the head didn’t let us get to see how it might have played out. Maybe Brady will be next, then we’ll see action by the league. 

 

 

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Edited September 30, 2019 by Augie

[atlbillsfan1975]

Yep, Allen stays healthy and the Bills win. Is it 12/22 yet?! I can’t wait to play those guys again. 

[Franco_92]

Didn't he have several stalled drives and a pick between the TD drive and when he got hurt? Or were all the picks in the first half? 

[thunderingsquid]

[dlonce]

1 minute ago, thunderingsquid said:

That guy is why we lost today. Until McD learns we will always lose to them.

[whatdrought]

It’ll be a big what if hanging over the season. Two truths at play here: 

 

1- He had plenty of chances to win the game and blew them one right after the other 

 

2- he seems to have a knack for doing enough to win when the chips are down.

 

I personally think we win if he doesn’t get knocked out, but I’m not gonna begrudge anyone the opinion that he was just as likely to make another critical mistake. 

[dlonce]

20 minutes ago, BillsBlue said:

I also was really hoping he came back out for the last couple minutes honestly he seemed fine and not punch drunk in the least but you gotta protect this kids melon imo he's too important we need him for the Long haul better safe than sorry 

 

Concussion protocol takes quite some time. If there’s even a hint of a problem you will never see a return. Cheap shot that never seems to happen to Brady. Why? Because Brady dumps the ball off at the closet hint of pressure.

 

My issue is with the zebras, that interception where D back lost the ball while our defender touched while out of bounds should have been incomplete. That clown In NY is biased.

Edited September 30, 2019 by dlonce

[MJS]

1 minute ago, dlonce said:

 

Concussion protocol takes quite some time. If there’s even a hint of a problem you will never see a return. Cheap shot that never seems to happen to Brady. Why? Because Brady dumps the ball off at the closet hint of pressure.

Doesn't take time if you have no symptoms.

[dlonce]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

Doesn't take time if you have no symptoms.

Sure it does. It’s a very complex protocol. Unless you know what it requires then you are guessing.

[Paulus]

I really wish the NFL cared about illegal hits to the head that injure players, and take it as seriously as they claim to. That spearing was something which should rate at least a 4 game timeout. Considering Bill Billichecks team has a history of illegal hits to Mcbeane's Bills, intended to injure, and do injure, the Pats' org should be held responsible. Take away their 2d round pick, too. 

 

I do think Allen is smart enough to be able to pass protocol and be ready next week. Now, if Mcbeane should play him is another story...

Edited September 30, 2019 by Paulus

[BillsBlue]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

Doesn't take time if you have no symptoms.

It was tough to tell if he actually was knocked out cold or not because as he fell from the hit he had an expression on his face and wasn't out so it was tough because he appeared lifeless on the ground though ?

[Johnnycage46]

2 minutes ago, dlonce said:

Sure it does. It’s a very complex protocol. Unless you know what it requires then you are guessing.

Do you know what it requires?  Can you tell us?  Seriously.  Just want to know what it requires.

[BillsBlue]

1 minute ago, Paulus said:

I really wish the NFL cared about illegal hits to the head that injure players, and take it as seriously as they claim to. That spearing was something which should rate at least a 4 game timeout. Considering Bill Billichecks team has a history of illegal hits to Mcbeane's Bills, intended to injure, and do injure, the Pats' org should be held responsible. Take away their 2d round pick, too. 

 

I do think Allen is smart enough to be able to pass protocol and be ready next week. Now, if Mcbeane should play him is another story...

My honest opinion is this, he's on the cusp of getting to the next level, he just needs to turn the corner and learn that certain throws ie when he's on his back foot or falling backwards are just plain not an option(also throws into double coverage), if he cuts these out of his game and we can also have him throw with Duke a ton (I want Allen inactive next week and basically effectively benched to learn his lesson about playing hero ball and just toning it down a smidge) and get ready for the game after the bye(obviously I want Zays snaps given to Duke from the game after the bye onwards)  and we should sit singletary till then too imo to come out hot and make a major playoff run the rest of the year.  It's a rare opportunity to bench Allen without controversy with a perfectly acceptable excuse so he can watch a game from the sideline picking dabolls mind and correcting his thought process via mental snaps. 

[Dr.Sack]

Allen really needs to improve those mental mistakes and unforced errors. He needs to protect the football. 

 

For comparative sake Allen has thrown picks on 18 of his 451 career attempts. Kaepernick threw 30 on 1692 career attempts. If Allen keeps up this pick rate he will have 68 picks at 1692 attempts. Brady has thrown 172 picks on 9,520 attempts. If Allen would reached 9,520 attempts at his rate he’d have 380 picks at Brady’s attempts. Aaron Rodgers is even more amazing, 81 picks on 5,638 attempts, Allen would be at 225 picks. 

 

The boneheaded interceptions make coaches stay up at night and let down the defense. They are unforced errors and I believe McDermott will only tolerate these horrible decisions for so long.

 

Edited September 30, 2019 by Dr.Sack

[dlonce]

Just now, Johnnycage46 said:

Do you know what it requires?  Can you tell us?  Seriously.  Just want to know what it requires.

Yes, it’s a series of questions along with a physicians diagnosis. I know because I’ve been involved with it.

The type of hit taken requires a 100% full clear exam. The least bit of an issue keeps a guy from returning, even if he  fails one question. Absurd as the question is, like what down was it.

It can take an hour or longer, depending  on the type of hit and if the player appeared to be injured by it.

 

I am connected with the physicians involved. I’m told Allen will return next week unless he exhibits headaches.

 

[transplantbillsfan]

Yes, I believed this was about to happen.

 

But what frustrated the hell outta me was the way we came out in the 2nd half dominating with that fantastic no-huddle drive, but after that TD we went back to huddling.

 

Everything from play calling to execution was fishy in this game. I really hope Allen crosses that threshold I still believe he's going to cross this year.

Edited September 30, 2019 by transplantbillsfan

[Bangarang]

Based on this hypothetical, the league should just give us the win. We might as well consider this another 4 quarter comeback and give Allen credit for another game winning drive.

[Johnnycage46]

2 minutes ago, dlonce said:

Yes, it’s a series of questions along with a physicians diagnosis. I know because I’ve been involved with it.

The type of hit taken requires a 100% full clear exam. The least bit of an issue keeps a guy from returning, even if he  fails one question. Absurd as the question is, like what down was it.

It can take an hour or longer, depending  on the type of hit and if the player appeared to be injured by it.

 

I am connected with the physicians involved. I’m told Allen will return next week unless he exhibits headaches.

 

Right.  Sounds great.  Point is, some "dr." watching on tv has zero idea of the severity of his condition.  You are connected with the medical staff and you post on this board??? Color me skeptical.

[NewEra]

43 minutes ago, BillsBlue said:

I also was really hoping he came back out for the last couple minutes honestly he seemed fine and not punch drunk in the least but you gotta protect this kids melon imo he's too important we need him for the Long haul better safe than sorry 

Agreed.  I get real discouraged when our players get concussions.  I’m always afraid that it’s going to lead to multiple concussions and a shortened career 

[BillsBlue]

8 minutes ago, dlonce said:

Yes, it’s a series of questions along with a physicians diagnosis. I know because I’ve been involved with it.

The type of hit taken requires a 100% full clear exam. The least bit of an issue keeps a guy from returning, even if he  fails one question. Absurd as the question is, like what down was it.

It can take an hour or longer, depending  on the type of hit and if the player appeared to be injured by it.

 

I am connected with the physicians involved. I’m told Allen will return next week unless he exhibits headaches.

 

Thanks for the clarification and the Intel ?

[dlonce]

Just now, Johnnycage46 said:

Right.  Sounds great.  Point is, some "dr." watching on tv has zero idea of the severity of his condition.  You are connected with the medical staff and you post on this board??? Color me skeptical.

Really don’t care. I have a Bills medical connection along with a couple guys inside.

Ive called injuries before, with the skepticism of the previous board I was on, only to be proven correct.

I rarely post here, or anywhere.

Doesnt matter, it is what it is.

[The Red King]

I think Allen wins this.  I think Bellie knew this and I think his D was told to take Allen out if circumstances presented because they are the Pats and will get away with it.  I mean hell, even the automatic first down was reversed thanks to a late phantom hold.  The NFL basically just told NE that the hit on Allen was perfectly fine.

 

...someone does it to Brady though, and there will be mass outrage by the league that makes nipplegate pale in comparison.  Hypocrits.

[BillsBlue]

Just now, The Red King said:

I think Allen wins this.  I think Bellie knew this and I think his D was told to take Allen out if circumstances presented because they are the Pats and will get away with it.  I mean hell, even the automatic first down was reversed thanks to a late phantom hold.  The NFL basically just told NE that the hit on Allen was perfectly fine.

 

...someone does it to Brady though, and there will be mass outrage by the league that makes nipplegate pale in comparison.  Hypocrits.

Quoted for truth

[BillsFanM.D.]

15 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Allen really needs to improve those mental mistakes and unforced errors. He needs to protect the football. 

 

For comparative sake Allen has thrown picks on 18 of his 244 career attempts. Kaepernick threw 30 on 1692 career attempts. If Allen keeps up this pick rate he will have 125 picks at 1692 attempts. Brady has thrown 172 picks on 9,520 attempts. If Allen would reached 9,520 attempts at his rate he’d have 702 picks at Brady’s attempts. Aaron Rodgers is even more amazing, 81 picks on 5,638 attempts, Allen would be at 416 picks. 

 

The boneheaded interceptions make coaches stay up at night and let down the defense. They are unforced errors and I believe McDermott will only tolerate these horrible decisions for so long.

 

 

Has to get better for sure but....

 

Peyton Manning....575 attempts as a rookie....28 picks.  

Troy Aikman....293 attempts as a rookie....18 picks.  (Very similar to Josh over 15 games)

 

Aaron Rodgers was groomed for a few years behind a hall of famer and on a good team.  Kaepernick had super bowl talent on his team.  Brady....obviously had super talent around him.  It is a bit different in fairness.  Our D is certainly playing elite but I don't think we have elite offensive talent around Josh.  

 

The real question is can he break the trend as Manning and Aikman were able to do.  

Edited September 30, 2019 by BillsFanM.D.

[John from Riverside]

I dont know for sure....but I have a feeling you are right that has been this norm all year....turn it up in the 4th

[SJDK]

I think we would have won with Allen in. Unlike the first game, these interceptions were on him. We turned it over four times and they won by 6 pts. We missed a field go and didn’t attempt a gimme. Against the best team in the league we made mistakes and still had a punchers chance at the end. This game should give them confidence and Allen needs to know that he can win By just playing  the game without attempting the impossible.

[Kelly the Dog]

22 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Allen really needs to improve those mental mistakes and unforced errors. He needs to protect the football. 

 

For comparative sake Allen has thrown picks on 18 of his 244 career attempts. Kaepernick threw 30 on 1692 career attempts. If Allen keeps up this pick rate he will have 125 picks at 1692 attempts. Brady has thrown 172 picks on 9,520 attempts. If Allen would reached 9,520 attempts at his rate he’d have 702 picks at Brady’s attempts. Aaron Rodgers is even more amazing, 81 picks on 5,638 attempts, Allen would be at 416 picks. 

 

The boneheaded interceptions make coaches stay up at night and let down the defense. They are unforced errors and I believe McDermott will only tolerate these horrible decisions for so long.

 

I don't think that is fair. Kaepernick was in a completely different situation. Rodgers ddint paly for three years. Brady didn't play his first year and hardly threw downfield the first year or two he did play. I don't think people realize Allen is a different kind of player than we have seen. Stats are not going to tell the story. Sure he needs to cut down on mistakes but he is a playmaker and so far a winner. 

[BananaB]

27 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Allen really needs to improve those mental mistakes and unforced errors. He needs to protect the football. 

 

For comparative sake Allen has thrown picks on 18 of his 244 career attempts. Kaepernick threw 30 on 1692 career attempts. If Allen keeps up this pick rate he will have 125 picks at 1692 attempts. Brady has thrown 172 picks on 9,520 attempts. If Allen would reached 9,520 attempts at his rate he’d have 702 picks at Brady’s attempts. Aaron Rodgers is even more amazing, 81 picks on 5,638 attempts, Allen would be at 416 picks. 

 

The boneheaded interceptions make coaches stay up at night and let down the defense. They are unforced errors and I believe McDermott will only tolerate these horrible decisions for so long.

 

 

Allen had over 400 attempts going into today’s  game. And you compared him to guys who all had the luxury of sitting behind competent starters for atleast a year. 

[Yav]

47 minutes ago, dlonce said:

That guy is why we lost today. Until McD learns we will always lose to them.

No he is not. 
The Bills lost the game because they had 22 rushing plays and 44 passing plays, while Gore averaged just over 6 yards per carry. 
 

First half, had they ran the ball instead of the pass that resulted in a sack and loss of 7 yards, that’s a successful field goal instead of a miss. 
 

Kicking the field goal in the 4th instead of going for it on 4th turns the game into a tie and NE offense was held in check, Bills rushing attack could have broken that team. 
 

It’s simple, control the clock, play mistake free and the Bills would have won...heck even with the mistakes they could have won with better play calling. 

[Success]

It’s what he has done until now.  Why doubt it would have happened today?

 

Pats fans online are defending that hit the way they did Gronk on Tre.  Even McCourtey was downplaying it.

 

We were all denied the proper ending to that game.  Today WAS the changing of the guard.  Now, the world will have to wait for the rematch to realize it.

 

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, Success said:

It’s what he has done until now.  Why doubt it would have happened today?

 

Pats fans online are defending that hit the way they did Gronk on Tre.  Even McCourtey was downplaying it.

 

We were all denied the proper ending to that game.  Today WAS the changing of the guard.  Now, the world will have to wait for the rematch to realize it.

 

How did they defend the Gronk hit on Tre? That's insane?

[Virgil]

I wish I knew it.  He looked that bad today outside of one drive.  
 

[Dr.Sack]

14 minutes ago, BananaB said:

 

Allen had over 400 attempts going into today’s  game. And you compared him to guys who all had the luxury of sitting behind competent starters for atleast a year. 

Hard doing this on an iPhone but will update those stats.

[ShakAttack]

42 minutes ago, dlonce said:

Yes, it’s a series of questions along with a physicians diagnosis. I know because I’ve been involved with it.

The type of hit taken requires a 100% full clear exam. The least bit of an issue keeps a guy from returning, even if he  fails one question. Absurd as the question is, like what down was it.

It can take an hour or longer, depending  on the type of hit and if the player appeared to be injured by it.

 

I am connected with the physicians involved. I’m told Allen will return next week unless he exhibits headaches.

 

 

well...fwiw...Allen did have the highest wonderlic of the 2018 qb class, even better than genius Rosen, so we know he's a good test taker.  Therefore, if he is indeed right, I would like his chances of passing the test as much as anyone.

[MJS]

53 minutes ago, dlonce said:

Sure it does. It’s a very complex protocol. Unless you know what it requires then you are guessing.

I know exactly what it requires. The rules are plain as day. This board posted everything about the stages of concussion protocol when Morse was going through it. If Josh Allen leaves the field and exhibits no symptoms, he doesn't have to enter the protocol. Obviously he did, because now he's in the protocol.