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I've always felt this was a classic case of the more finished product versus the raw potential.

 

You can fill in the blanks as to which one is which. The Browns made their decision and the Bills their own.

 

Personally, I feel it is the job of the team to have some imagination and vision. Some, I understand, are in the I whatt have you done crowd?

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It's way, way, way too early to make a decision on that yet.

 

However, it's really telling that certainly media personalities have narratives they are sticking too. Mike Tanier at Bleache Report (I know, I know), had a comment along the lines of "Allen can provide one rushing and one passing TD highlight per game, and then miss his receivers by 10 yards for the rest of the game". In their mind, Allen is "inaccurate", despite the fact that he within half a percentage point of Carson Wentz and has a higher completion % than Goff, Aaron Rodgers, Mayfield, Winston, Mayfield, Trubinsky and their new favorite "baller" Kyler Murray. And yet not a peep.

 

If Allen was putting up numbers like what Mayfield has so far, we would be hearing about what a phenomenal bust and waste of a pick he was.

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2 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

The main concern about Mayfield coming out of college, was the classic "he is too short" problem.  And while Drew Brees is a radical exception to that rule, it has shown to be a problem for many other talented but shorter QBs.   

Last night we went up against a defensive coordinator who saw Mayfield for a full season live in practice last year.  This has to provide a lot more insight for game planning than simply watching game films.   I can't say I know what the Jets defense specifically did different than other defenses, but Mayfield looked like he was throwing out of hole last night. Quite a few passes knocked down, and a launch angle requiring his receivers to leave their feet ( and pay a big physical price) to catch balls he through out of the pocket. Greg Williams may have provided the defensive template to beat up on Mayfield last night.

I also had some understanding that Mayfield was mobile, but that sure was not on display last night.  

NJ did a good job of disguising what they were doing. They gave a blitz look and dropped into coverage a lot. Baker saw one thing as he scanned the defense and saw something completely different after the snap. He's young and had issues picking that up. 

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7 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

Could it be that Mayfield is already has reached his peak. 

100% this is what I thought all last year...he wowed people because his floor and ceiling are pretty close....

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OBJ never stays healthy*. Once he goes out, Mayfield's flaws will be magnified. The media has an agenda right now to keep general fans believing the Browns have a shot at being relevant down the stretch. But once the Ls pile up and Mayfield stops having even a couple highlights a week for the recap shows, they will turn on him.

 

*I am not rooting for an injury to OBJ or anyone else.

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3 hours ago, CSBill said:

 

Right now: I love our QB, but based on record, stats, and production, the clear winner right now is Jackson. And I was never a fan, and I am  glad we didn't stay put and wait for him, but right now, he is way above the rest.

 

Then again, Roman made Tyrod look good too--until Rex dumped him because he was getting credit over Rex (more evidence of what a disaster he was as a HC).

I think Jackson clearly has talent; however, you are right, Roman has an exceptional ability to create successful gameplans for QBs such as Jackson (go back and watch what he did with Kaepernick and, to a lesser extent, Taylor). In addition, they have played, statistically, the two worse defenses in the NFL. Jackson has far more physical talent than Kaepernick or Taylor, I am just not sure how longterm the success for him may be. It will be interesting to watch. He is certainly lighting it up right now.

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I watched part of the Browns last game last year vs Ravens and remember thinking, "What's all the fuss about?  Allen looks better than this guy."

He was making some bad decisions and quite a few very bad throws.  

 

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53 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

baker was really inaccurate last night and not the guy i saw play last year. 

I agree.  I did not see much of his play against Tennessee, but I did notice last night that the Jets seemed to be making a concerted effort to get their arms up in front of him.  Even on roll outs, they would stay in front of him and try and deflect his throws.  I wonder if that is a strategy against him....and I wonder if height might start to be a factor.

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23 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Slow down.  I am a huge Allen guy but we played two weak opponents.  I believe Allen will surpass all the other '18 Draft QBs but not saying he is there yet.

Why is it that anything positive about Allen has to be qualified with the level of competition he has faced? I don't really hear that very much when we are discussing other QBs...

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Fun mid week debate but let’s revisit this after 5 full seasons.  Then we can declare who is better than who.

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7 hours ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said:

Gents, there’s a long way to go to hash out this 2018 QB class. They’re all going to have some ups and downs from week to week, but there’s one thing that is pretty clear. If anyone truly believed Allen would be capable of developing an accurate short to mid range game he would’ve been the top pick. 

 

His physical ability is far and away superior to any of these other guys, but we were all told he would be air mailing balls into the hospitality tent a la EJ on a regular basis. He’s not completely there just yet, but it sure looks like he’s getting drastically better at things that all the draftniks and analytics folks mocked him for. If he proves to be able to continue hitting these efficient type passes underneath, while still being able to run around and throw lasers all over the field, he’s not really going to have any limitations. The ceiling for this guy appears to be absurd... and the floor seems to be ticking up a little more every week. At this point we’re all just waiting to see if he hits his ceiling and how quickly he gets there. If he gets there while this defense is still in tact, we may not just be battling for a wildcard.

 

This 100x. 

 

We are 13 starts into Josh Allen's career.  Baker Mayfield has 15.  Sam Darnold has 14.  Josh Rosen also has 13.  Lamar Jackson has 9.

All of these guys have lots of room to grow, and any of them could see setbacks once defenses catch on to their tendencies.

 

The interesting thing is... so far in 2019, it seems that Allen and Jackson have shown the most growth and improvement.  They were the guys who supposedly had the most overall potential, but many critics didn't believe they could become efficient passers.  

 

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The talk of Mayfield peaking already is ridiculous. Of course he’s not a finished product yet.

 

That said, I could see this team struggling in the next 5 weeks and getting on each other in the press.

 

Upcoming schedule: Rams, Ravens, Niners, Seahawks and Patriots.

 

That could be a recipe for a 2-5 record and some great Baker interviews where he’s all testy.

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It really is incredible how bad the media hates Josh Allen.

 

It’s like Allen did something to all of them that we don’t know about. It’s all I can think of because I don’t know why so much negative sentiment towards the guy.

 

Lamar Jackson and Dak Prescott posted good numbers against terrible teams. Don’t matter though! They’re great!

 

Allen looks like Montana first half against the Giants and could’ve thrown for 400+...the media? “Well, it’s because they played the Giants!”

 

I’m sick of the BS.

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40 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

I don’t know who the better WB will be but I am glad we have who we do.

 

...yup...just my personal preference, but I like Allen's humility, respect for the game, diligent work ethic and "WE" versus "ME" attitude......quote was, "OUR team and OUR family"....kid is never seeking the ME spotlight..........

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10 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

I will root for both guys. Bills and Browns are kindred spirits— both franchises need some good luck at QB.

 

No...just the Bills.  I want the Browns to fail.

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18 minutes ago, McBean said:

It really is incredible how bad the media hates Josh Allen.

 

It’s like Allen did something to all of them that we don’t know about. It’s all I can think of because I don’t know why so much negative sentiment towards the guy.

 

Lamar Jackson and Dak Prescott posted good numbers against terrible teams. Don’t matter though! They’re great!

 

Allen looks like Montana first half against the Giants and could’ve thrown for 400+...the media? “Well, it’s because they played the Giants!”

 

I’m sick of the BS.

 

Offensive tweets not conforming to the appropriate wokeness level, and a desperate need for pre-draft "analytics" to be right.

 

 

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Mayfield is extremely accurate on a lot of throws though so he's still dangerous.  But he does make a lot of bonehead plays too.

 

Maybe Palmer's statement that Mayfield always had wide open WR's at Oklahoma is starting to show....

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7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Mayfield is extremely accurate on a lot of throws though so he's still dangerous.  But he does make a lot of bonehead plays too.

 

Maybe Palmer's statement that Mayfield always had wide open WR's at Oklahoma is starting to show....

But you have to admit he was missing wide open receivers all over the field yesterday.

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2 minutes ago, Ta111 said:

But you have to admit he was missing wide open receivers all over the field yesterday.

 

He was...he didn't look good overall yesterday.  But there was some really good throws too....a lot of 3rd and long conversions.  He still has that playmaking ability.

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10 hours ago, cage said:

I watched most of the Browns/Jets game tonight and this is the first time I saw Baker Mayfield outside of highlight clips.  Color me unimpressed.  I'll have to watch a bit more of him,

 

 

He played last year too, check it out...

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1 hour ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

I will root for both guys. Bills and Browns are kindred spirits— both franchises need some good luck at QB.

 

Browns are potential wild card contenders so I will definitely not be rooting for them.  They are also the most unlikable group of people ever assembled outside of New England.

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