Happy Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 37 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: How on earth did Mayock figure he would be a GM? The guy makes Mack drafts for a living. Even Mel, a huge blowhard, isn’t delusional enough to believe he could be an NFL exec. He knows how incredibly sweet the deal he and Mayock had. Mayock could not have F’d this up any worse. Is it Mayock or Gruden who F'd this up? Gruden wanted Mayock as the GM, though Gruden is ultimately in charge, IIRC. So could it be Gruden wanted AB and Mayock is now forced to deal with this B.S.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: This TNF game sucks but we got Doc vs WEO over here so bottoms up! Our own Hatfield vs. McCoy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said: Is it Mayock or Gruden who F'd this up? Gruden wanted Mayock as the GM, though Gruden is ultimately in charge, IIRC. So could it be Gruden wanted AB and Mayock is now forced to deal with this B.S.? It was Brown who F’d this up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAinLack. Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 8 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: Maybe the Raiders should forget about Antonio's helmet requests and just get an MRI on that pea brain skull of his! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Is it Mayock or Gruden who F'd this up? Gruden wanted Mayock as the GM, though Gruden is ultimately in charge, IIRC. So could it be Gruden wanted AB and Mayock is now forced to deal with this B.S.? Whatever Gruden wanted, Mayock is the GM and he’s being made the fool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: It was Brown who F’d this up Ultimately, yes. He's also F'ing up his career. 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Whatever Gruden wanted, Mayock is the GM and he’s being made the fool AB is the fool. Total nitwit who is ending his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 The more I think about this the more I say to myself, Really? An owner who is lazy, ya got Chucky, who’s a over paid blow hard, and Mayock, the figure head GM who doesn’t know he’s in over his head, this has had disaster written all over it from the get go. Then you add in AB, the drama queen, and ya get what ya got. Frankly I think the whole thing is funny as hell. A major black eye for the Raiders organization. ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Who would have thought a team with Peterman and Incognito that no one would even mention those two? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Mix in a little Vegas... 3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: The more I think about this the more I say to myself, Really? An owner who is lazy, ya got Chucky, who’s a over paid blow hard, and Mayock, the figure head GM who doesn’t know he’s in over his head, this has had disaster written all over it from the get go. Then you add in AB, the drama queen, and ya get what ya got. Frankly I think the whole thing is funny as hell. A major black eye for the Raiders organization. ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Ultimately, yes. He's also F'ing up his career. AB is the fool. Total nitwit who is ending his career. Well yes. But the GM is supposed to handle this differently. Mayock is a talking head. A nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Well yes. But the GM is supposed to handle this differently. Mayock is a talking head. A nobody. Chuckie's the coach and should be the one to get AB on-board. Mayock had to intervene after Chuckie failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Whatever Gruden wanted, Mayock is the GM and he’s being made the fool Mayock was installed as the figurehead. He played his part in the draft selection process, and now he handles the phones, contracts and the press. Gruden is the puppetmaster. Edited September 6, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Well yes. But the GM is supposed to handle this differently. Mayock is a talking head. A nobody. I agree that Mayock is Gruden's "yes" man and has less power than Gruden; he does Gruden's bidding. In this case, Mayock is simply enforcing team policy and contractual obligations. I don't put any of this on Mayock, at least from what I've seen as an outside observer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Chuckie's the coach and should be the one to get AB on-board. Mayock had to intervene after Chuckie failed. Come on doc. Let’s hear more about that no guaranteed money contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Come on doc. Let’s hear more about that no guaranteed money contract AB's not in Buffalo now, is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 37 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Getting into a shouting match at this point is proof positive that Mayock is a speech impediment doofus I totally expect the Raiders to be a train wreck. I was just explaining how it could’ve been worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 And your boy Chuckie is the joke in this whole thing. He's running the show and it's on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 As much as the team seems to be going the right direction. I really don’t get why they thought trading for this clown was a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: And your boy Chuckie is the joke in this whole thing. He's running the show and it's on him. That 10 year, 100 mill contract runs the show I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Just now, mattynh said: As much as the team seems to be going the right direction. I really don’t get why they thought trading for this clown was a good idea. This is what the Raiders do. They have a history of bringing in the lost, the wayward, the haunted and malcontents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, mattynh said: As much as the team seems to be going the right direction. I really don’t get why they thought trading for this clown was a good idea. There's no harm in exploring options. 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: That 10 year, 100 mill contract runs the show I think. Fo sho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, Doc said: AB's not in Buffalo now, is he? Yeah that’s what I figured doc. Usual runaway from your own posts 10 minutes ago, Doc said: And your boy Chuckie is the joke in this whole thing. He's running the show and it's on him. Lol I knew you wouldn’t answer. No one runs from there posts like the doc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Yeah that’s what I figured doc. Usual runaway from your own posts Lol I knew you wouldn’t answer. No one runs from there posts like the doc! No need/never needed to run away. Your beliefs are just that: your beliefs. If the Bills offered AB anything substantial money-wise, he'd be in Buffalo. But go ahead and tell us all how the Bills missed out on AB and how great Chuckie is as a HC again. Edited September 6, 2019 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 The Night they drove old AB down and Mike Mayock was fining the night they drove old AB down Raider Nation was whining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) You really believe the Bills (or any team) would offer the top WR no guaranteed money?? Serious question doc. They gave Morse 20 million and he’s a head hit from the nursing home Edited September 6, 2019 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 AB's brain hasn't been functioning properly for a couple years now. He appears to have a personality disorder, and displays several common characteristics of someone suffering from CTE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 What'd i miss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: You really believe the Bills (or any team) would offer the top WR no guaranteed money?? Serious question doc. You mean a guy who quit on his previous team? We know for sure only one team did. And they're regretting it now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Doc said: No need/never needed to run away. Your beliefs are just that: your beliefs. If the Bills offered AB anything substantial money-wise, he'd be in Buffalo. But go ahead and tell us all how the Bills missed out on AB and how great Chuckie is as a HC again. How about he didn't want to come to Buffalo so it never got that far. You can't even see that as a possibility? If Beane wanted AB without paying him I'm very concerned with our GM situation. Edited September 6, 2019 by Chemical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: AB's brain hasn't been functioning properly for a couple years now. He appears to have a personality disorder, and displays several common characteristics of someone suffering from CTE. I still maintain it got really bad after Dancing With The Stars. Hollyweird, you know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Doc said: You mean a guy who quit on his previous team? We know for sure only one team did. And they're regretting it now. Can you list any contract for a top vet with no guaranteed money? Edited September 6, 2019 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Chemical said: How about he didn't want to come to Buffalo so it never got that far. You can't even see that as a possibility? If Beane wanted AB without paying him I'm very concerned with our GM situation. So he wouldn't come to Buffalo...but he'd go to Oakland/Las Vegas? If he had gone to a good team, I'd agree with you. And after what AB's put them through, you're worried that Beane didn't want to pay AB? OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Just now, Doc said: I still maintain it got really bad after Dancing With The Stars. Hollyweird, you know. I'd say it got weird after he got knocked out by Vontaze Burfict in the 2016 playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Can you list any contract for a top vet with no guaranteed money? No because they usually don't happen. Like this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: So he wouldn't come to Buffalo...but he'd go to Oakland/Las Vegas? If he had gone to a good team, I'd agree with you. And after what AB's put them through, you're worried that Beane didn't want to pay AB? OK. Yeah I'm worried that he would want to trade for him AND not realize he would have to pay him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: I'd say it got weird after he got knocked out by Vontaze Burfict in the 2016 playoffs. I don't recall this weird behavior until this past season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/05/antonio-brown-may-end-up-getting-no-payment-at-all-from-the-raiders/ holy jesus that’s a train wreck of a contract he signed. I’ll tip my cap to the raiders if this characterization is true as he might have zero guaranteed dollars at this point. That an unexcused practice absence may void $30m in guarantees seems absurd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Just now, Doc said: No because they usually don't happen. Like this one. Finally. So theres no chance Beane would have offered no guaranteed money. you always come around to the obvious doc. But why do you put yourself through this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: I don't recall this weird behavior until this past season. I'm married to a Steelers fan. The warnings have been there for a few years now, although it's progressively got worse over the past two years. Steelers fans were mostly glad to see him go given his relationship with Ben and Juju, who at this point are much more popular Steelers players. His condition has been worsening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 His what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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