SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 2. Matt Milano predicted to be Buffalo's breakout player by SB Nation 3. How newly acquired OL Ryan Bates adds versatility to o-line and more Direct Link https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-today-espn-votes-ed-oliver-as-the-team-s-mvp-of-training-camp Edited August 20, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 After I read Cossell & others said he was struggling in camp makes perfect sense. Who voted on this, what exactly or who is the ESPN NFL Nation? And Milano the breakout player? He already broke out (figuratively with his leg) last year? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 This is not posible Cossell said Oliver is struggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I have no doubt as to Oliver’s future success, but to anoint him as camp’s MVP? A stretch, imho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: After I read Cossell & others said he was struggling in camp makes perfect sense. Who voted on this, what exactly or who is the ESPN NFL Nation? And Milano the breakout player? He already broke out (figuratively with his leg) last year? Im thinking breakout at the next level...like Pro Bowl and not an alternate. Starting to become recognized by more than just Bills fans. 8 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: I have no doubt as to Oliver’s future success, but to anoint him as camp’s MVP? A stretch, imho. Based on the reports, I would say the MVP was Beasley. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Has to be John Brown or Cole Beasley. Those guys have been great in camp. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 33 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: After I read Cossell & others said he was struggling in camp makes perfect sense. Who voted on this, what exactly or who is the ESPN NFL Nation? And Milano the breakout player? He already broke out (figuratively with his leg) last year? NFL Nation is the collection of Tweets / Bloggers do I need to add ... for every team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) ESPN also has Coach McDermott ranked highest on the list of "coaches on the hot seat" with a 73% chance of being fired after this season, so there's that. When anybody who has even remotely followed this team knows that unless we go 4-12, McDermott is going absolutely nowhere. I've stopped putting basically any stock in anything that ESPN says about the Bills. Edited August 20, 2019 by CLTbills 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, CLTbills said: ESPN also has Coach McDermott ranked highest on the list of "coaches on the hot seat" with a 73% chance of being fired after this season, so there's that. That's legit crazy. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, CLTbills said: ESPN also has Coach McDermott ranked highest on the list of "coaches on the hot seat" with a 73% chance of being fired after this season, so there's that. When anybody who has even remotely followed this team knows that unless we go 4-12, McDermott is going absolutely nowhere. I've stopped putting basically any stock in anything that ESPN says about the Bills. they are idiots McD would have to drive this team to less than 6 wins to get fired 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Despite my many years of watching football I'll be the first to admit that I'm very average at evaluating players, but I wasn't particularly impressed with Ed Oliver in the two games so far. When I heard Cossell talk about him being engulfed I was a bit shocked as I've not really heard anyone else so far who saw what I saw. Hope I'm wrong and he takes Darnold's head off in week one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said: Despite my many years of watching football I'll be the first to admit that I'm very average at evaluating players, but I wasn't particularly impressed with Ed Oliver in the two games so far. When I heard Cossell talk about him being engulfed I was a bit shocked as I've not really heard anyone else so far who saw what I saw. Hope I'm wrong and he takes Darnold's head off in week one He was being double teamed and STILL got a hand up to block a pass!!! https://www.buffalobills.com/video/ed-oliver-deflects-third-down-throw Edited August 20, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
416BillsFan Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 33 minutes ago, CLTbills said: ESPN also has Coach McDermott ranked highest on the list of "coaches on the hot seat" with a 73% chance of being fired after this season, so there's that. When anybody who has even remotely followed this team knows that unless we go 4-12, McDermott is going absolutely nowhere. I've stopped putting basically any stock in anything that ESPN says about the Bills. The article was specifically about "what if" every team went 4-12. Based on historical trends (year 3, worse record every year) he would be the most likely to get canned. It was a bizarre topic to be sure, but in no way was it a prediction that he was on the hot seat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: He was being double teamed and STILL got a hand up to block a pass!!! https://www.buffalobills.com/video/ed-oliver-deflects-third-down-throw I saw it. I just mean on the whole that was my observation. Like I said, I generally suck at evaluating players so I'm sure I'll be proven wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said: I saw it. I just mean on the whole that was my observation. Like I said, I generally suck at evaluating players so I'm sure I'll be proven wrong I hear you. I didn't mean to sound to brusque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, 416BillsFan said: The article was specifically about "what if" every team went 4-12. Based on historical trends (year 3, worse record every year) he would be the most likely to get canned. It was a bizarre topic to be sure, but in no way was it a prediction that he was on the hot seat. Fine but About half the NFL coaches would go before McDermott if they went 4-12 so to put him at #1 is asinine, imo. You think Jason Garret or Maronne would survive 4-12, aint not way. The only coaches that would be safe would be yr one coaches and some of them would be vulnerable. I think if the Bils went 4-12, depending how badly, McDermott would survive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Fine but About half the NFL coaches would go before McDermott if they went 4-12 so to put him at #1 is asinine, imo. You think Jason Garret or Maronne would survive 4-12, aint not way. The only coaches that would be safe would be yr one coaches and some of them would be vulnerable. I think if the Bils went 4-12, depending how badly, McDermott would survive. I agree--I feel like Kim & Terry are so invested with this regime right now and in lockstep with it, that McD would really have to wilt in the spotlight before there would be any rumblings beneath his seat. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Fine but About half the NFL coaches would go before McDermott if they went 4-12 so to put him at #1 is asinine, imo. You think Jason Garret or Maronne would survive 4-12, aint not way. The only coaches that would be safe would be yr one coaches and some of them would be vulnerable. I think if the Bils went 4-12, depending how badly, McDermott would survive. The only way he'd go is if he 'lost' the team, which I cant imagine happening given his style and his relationship with the players. So even if they were 4-11 heading into the final week, they'd still play hard and give it everything, in which case I'm sure Terry and Kim would put it down to stuff other than the head coach (coodinators, bad luck, Belichick voodoo or something). The co-ordinators would probably go, but not McDermott. He'd need a really poor 2020 on top of that to get fired. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, CLTbills said: ESPN also has Coach McDermott ranked highest on the list of "coaches on the hot seat" with a 73% chance of being fired after this season, so there's that. When anybody who has even remotely followed this team knows that unless we go 4-12, McDermott is going absolutely nowhere. I've stopped putting basically any stock in anything that ESPN says about the Bills. Theyre clearly outsourcing their sports writing to India to milk what’s left of the brand Edited August 20, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProbablyWrong Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: He was being double teamed and STILL got a hand up to block a pass!!! https://www.buffalobills.com/video/ed-oliver-deflects-third-down-throw To me, the bigger problem is that Star can't take advantage of the one-on-one matchups he is being gifted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustWinPlease Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, CLTbills said: ESPN also has Coach McDermott ranked highest on the list of "coaches on the hot seat" with a 73% chance of being fired after this season, so there's that. When anybody who has even remotely followed this team knows that unless we go 4-12, McDermott is going absolutely nowhere. I've stopped putting basically any stock in anything that ESPN says about the Bills. Well, that is exactly what the article was...the way you explained it is very misleading. If the Bills go 4-12, there is a 73% chance McDermott gets fired...that is what the article said. 2 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Fine but About half the NFL coaches would go before McDermott if they went 4-12 so to put him at #1 is asinine, imo. You think Jason Garret or Maronne would survive 4-12, aint not way. The only coaches that would be safe would be yr one coaches and some of them would be vulnerable. I think if the Bils went 4-12, depending how badly, McDermott would survive. Marrone was second to McDermott. (Flores was third.) And going 4-12 would be another step in the wrong direction for the Bills...after going 9-7 and then 6-10. Edited August 20, 2019 by JustWinPlease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 4 hours ago, John from Riverside said: This is not posible Cossell said Oliver is struggling. ...recount please.....hanging chads somewhere...Ed HAS to be SHORT votes...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, CLTbills said: ESPN also has Coach McDermott ranked highest on the list of "coaches on the hot seat" with a 73% chance of being fired after this season, so there's that. When anybody who has even remotely followed this team knows that unless we go 4-12, McDermott is going absolutely nowhere. I've stopped putting basically any stock in anything that ESPN says about the Bills. Incorrect. It was phrased as "If they have a disastrous season" which coach would most likely be fired. Still disagree, but it's a big difference. Cossell said there were some plays where Oliver struggled in the Colts game. Said he played well overall and was going against a good player in Nelson. He also prefaced it by saying he knows Bills fans will overreact to even that. Thanks for proving him right guys! Edited August 20, 2019 by Chemical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 How newly formed relationships with teammates are helping Ed Oliver’s game flourish “Jordan (Phillips) was the first guy’s house I went over to and he had the dog over there,” said Oliver. “He had the bite suit on and ever since then he’s been cool. He likes dogs and I like dogs too, so that’s how we connect. He likes cars and I like cars. He’s got a Raptor and I’ve got a Ford 250. That’s another way that we’re similar.” For Oliver it was new ground for him. The player with whom he was going to be in direct competition with for a starting job opened his home to him. At training camp, Oliver made more of a point to open up with his teammates, which was further enhanced when former Bills DT Kyle Williams spent five days at training camp to mentor the rookie. “I think those days with Kyle were really beneficial for a few reasons,” said defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier. “From a football standpoint the fundamentals and techniques were all important. He has a ton of respect for Kyle. I remember when we came down to visit him pre-draft he was asking us questions about Kyle. He was familiar with him. So when Kyle arrived he was hanging on every word. Everything that Kyle talked about, technique, preparation, it was all very beneficial. Hopefully we keep those two guys in touch.” Not surprisingly, as Oliver interacted more with his veteran teammates his personal game became more disruptive on the field. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chemical said: Incorrect. It was phrased as "If they have a disastrous season" which coach would most likely be fired. Still disagree, but it's a big difference. Cossell said there were some plays where Oliver struggled in the Colts game. Said he played well overall and was going against a good player in Nelson. He also prefaced it by saying he knows Bills fans will overreact to even that. Thanks for proving him right guys! ...conversely, which coaches would be INSULATED from the "hot seat" with a disastrous season?.....Worldwide Leader in Sports?......they need Rachel Madcow on Sportscenter..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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elroy16 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Damn I am pumped about Oliver and his future. The pre-draft character concerns look like nothing at this point. He's doing everything he's supposed to be doing. I can't wait to see him reach his potential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 37 minutes ago, elroy16 said: Damn I am pumped about Oliver and his future. The pre-draft character concerns look like nothing at this point. He's doing everything he's supposed to be doing. I can't wait to see him reach his potential. This not only gets me more excited about Ed, it makes me LOVE Kyle even more. He doesn’t have to be there helping like that. He could be home with the wife and kids. He’s retired. He’s the real deal, the true professional team player. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 7 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: NFL Nation is the collection of Tweets / Bloggers do I need to add ... for every team Better than my answer. ESPN head quarters 3rd floor, down the hall and to the left of the ladies room. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TigerJ Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I think it's pretty clear that Oliver is on a learning curve. He's returning to the 3 tech position after spending last year as an undersized nose tackle. He is coming into the NFL as a player whose athleticism was so far above most of those he played with and against that he did not need a great deal of work on technique. That's no longer true. I'm not sure where ESPN is coming from, but he has brought plenty of energy and passion with him to the Bills. He knows he's got work to do and he is doing it, but it's not going to happen overnight. He's going to be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 5 hours ago, JinxedBill1 said: I will ask you to please leave my mother out of this. She was rarely awake on game days. We don’t all look our best when awaking from a two quarter slumber. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 people are so quick to anoint stuff nowadays. sit down reeelaaax. just allow the anointments to happen naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 ESPN is a friggin joke. I can't believe how much I used to care about it. It's like the WWF of my early adulthood ?. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 11 hours ago, JinxedBill1 said: ...part of the Epstein harem I presume............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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