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23 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Seems often when someone has a concussion, they are supposed to stay in a darkened room, try to minimize movement, etc.  Morse was reported on the sideline the last two practices at camp.

 

Makes me think this is a training camp level concussion. Not saying it's fake at all, but more like Morse told them I bumped my head a little.  Great just to be extra safe, we'll put you in protocol.  If this were regular season, he'd be playing.

 

So I think this guy may be a bit of an iconoclast (for example, I don't think it's widely accepted that one concussion does not make you more susceptible to another), but his group has published a lot about concussion recovery where fundamentally they encourage the patients to perform controlled exercises to retrain the injured parts of their brain.

 

https://www.outsideonline.com/1928476/new-science-concussion-recovery

 

Anyway, the bottom line is that the darkened room, minimize movement stuff is apparently outdated.  But I also agree with you that if Morse's concussion were very serious he wouldn't be running ladder drills on the sidelines.

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This is the stuff that bugs me about front office/pr people.    We support the team through thick and thin, but when something as critical this comes up, there should be more communication with the fans regarding the prognosis, his history w concussions, treatment protocol etc.

 

Morse is it for us this year.  We can't have Bodine getting steamrolled into Josh on every other play like last year.  We don't have depth at center, this isn't a minor thing.   Guys younger than Mitch retire over this condition.

 

Or maybe it IS minor, but we wouldn't know because there's no information coming our way.   

 

Reminds me of Donahoe/Gregggg era.   We don't deserve to know, as long as they know.  (p.s. thanks for the one way relationship)

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7 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

This is the stuff that bugs me about front office/pr people.    We support the team through thick and thin, but when something as critical this comes up, there should be more communication with the fans regarding the prognosis, his history w concussions, treatment protocol etc.

 

Morse is it for us this year.  We can't have Bodine getting steamrolled into Josh on every other play like last year.  We don't have depth at center, this isn't a minor thing.   Guys younger than Mitch retire over this condition.

 

Or maybe it IS minor, but we wouldn't know because there's no information coming our way.   

 

Reminds me of Donahoe/Gregggg era.   We don't deserve to know, as long as they know.  (p.s. thanks for the one way relationship)

 

You're complaining about the wrong people. Sort of.

In reality, the team, including the PR who frame HOW the message gets out, not so much WHAT they're allowed to say, would prefer to release nothing.

It's a fight between legal (HIPAA, NFLPA, NFL proper) and the gambling consortium.

 

Gambling, big money, wants to know who's injured, the extent, etc. so they can properly assess their risk and lines.

HIPAA has rules on what can be released reference medical information. NFL Players Association (NFLPA) have their own agreement with NFL proper as to how much/when/& what is acceptable inside the HIPAA overarching requirements. NFL proper negotiates with gambling consortium to meet gambling consortium requests while maintaining NFL's desires and messages and also staying in line with HIPAA laws and NFLPA agreement. 

 

A public affairs team gets the info, is informed what is legally allowed to be released (based on the above HIPAA, NFL agreements and NFLPA agreements) as well as what they MUST release (again, based on NFL agreements with gambling - among others, but mostly gambling even under other names) as directed by NFL, and then they frame HOW and WHEN to release inside those directives.

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I remember when I was playing flag football and it was a rainy day and a guy from the other team hit me in the head with his knee after a sweep right. I saw that 250 lb RG just sliding on the slippery grass in slow motion and his knee just nailed me on my left temple. I got up, played 2 more plays and walked to the sideline where I couldn’t remember names of my friends that I have known for years. It took me like 5 days to start feeling normal again, the brain fog lasted 5 days were I just felt so horrible. If Mitch has had 5 of these or more we definitely have to get a plan B, C and D for the center position. 

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7 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I remember when I was playing flag football and it was a rainy day and a guy from the other team hit me in the head with his knee after a sweep right. I saw that 250 lb RG just sliding on the slippery grass in slow motion and his knee just nailed me on my left temple. I got up, played 2 more plays and walked to the sideline where I couldn’t remember names of my friends that I have known for years. It took me like 5 days to start feeling normal again, the brain fog lasted 5 days were I just felt so horrible. If Mitch has had 5 of these or more we definitely have to get a plan B, C and D for the center position. 

Wow. :(

 

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18 hours ago, Fan in San Diego said:

I really hope this is the case. A great excuse to rest a seasoned player.

Yet he is supposed to anchor a brand new offensive line.....and work with Allen so it can't be just resting a seasoned vet

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2 minutes ago, nucci said:

Yet he is supposed to anchor a brand new offensive line.....and work with Allen so it can't be just resting a seasoned vet

 

They can practice all they want. Just avoid getting whacked in the head in a meaningless preseason game. What I worry about is every other team will be aiming for Morse's head now.

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11 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I remember when I was playing flag football and it was a rainy day and a guy from the other team hit me in the head with his knee after a sweep right. I saw that 250 lb RG just sliding on the slippery grass in slow motion and his knee just nailed me on my left temple. I got up, played 2 more plays and walked to the sideline where I couldn’t remember names of my friends that I have known for years. It took me like 5 days to start feeling normal again, the brain fog lasted 5 days were I just felt so horrible. If Mitch has had 5 of these or more we definitely have to get a plan B, C and D for the center position. 

 

I had similar symptoms with my first concussion. Took a hard knock on the head, and just assumed I got my bell rung and that I’d shake it off after a bit of cursing. The thought of a concussion didn’t cross my mind. 

 

I didn’t get real concerned until about an hour later when I was riding in the car to dinner with my family. I got a little nauseous, and when my wife saw the look and my face and asked if I was okay, I couldn’t even spit out a sentence. Then when we got to the restaurant, I could read the menu and recognize the words, but I couldn’t process them. Can’t really find a better way to describe it. I would see the words “burger and fries,” and I knew I recognized the words, but I couldn’t put it together what those things were. I tried just pointing at a menu item, but the minute the waitress asked me a question, all I could do was mumble. All of this was happening in front of my 7-year-old son...pretty scary when you’re a kid to see that happening to your old man. My wife immediately took me to the hospital and they recognized a concussion almost right away. 

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9 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

This is the stuff that bugs me about front office/pr people.    We support the team through thick and thin, but when something as critical this comes up, there should be more communication with the fans regarding the prognosis, his history w concussions, treatment protocol etc.

 

Morse is it for us this year.  We can't have Bodine getting steamrolled into Josh on every other play like last year.  We don't have depth at center, this isn't a minor thing.   Guys younger than Mitch retire over this condition.

 

Or maybe it IS minor, but we wouldn't know because there's no information coming our way.   

 

Reminds me of Donahoe/Gregggg era.   We don't deserve to know, as long as they know.  (p.s. thanks for the one way relationship)

 

And what if you knew more? Then all our opponents will know as well. When Bill Belichick is an open book then we can be one too.

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9 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

This is the stuff that bugs me about front office/pr people.    We support the team through thick and thin, but when something as critical this comes up, there should be more communication with the fans regarding the prognosis, his history w concussions, treatment protocol etc.

 

Morse is it for us this year.  We can't have Bodine getting steamrolled into Josh on every other play like last year.  We don't have depth at center, this isn't a minor thing.   Guys younger than Mitch retire over this condition.

 

Or maybe it IS minor, but we wouldn't know because there's no information coming our way.   

 

Reminds me of Donahoe/Gregggg era.   We don't deserve to know, as long as they know.  (p.s. thanks for the one way relationship)

Oh man

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Morse had core surgery this offseason as well which the Bills may be giving as much time as possible to heal fully before the long season ahead. Just another angle that could be possibly playing into this.

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28 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Morse had core surgery this offseason as well which the Bills may be giving as much time as possible to heal fully before the long season ahead. Just another angle that could be possibly playing into this.

Thanks.  Reminding me that this isn't close to his first off season injury makes me feel so much more nervous.

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1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I remember when I was playing flag football and it was a rainy day and a guy from the other team hit me in the head with his knee after a sweep right. I saw that 250 lb RG just sliding on the slippery grass in slow motion and his knee just nailed me on my left temple. I got up, played 2 more plays and walked to the sideline where I couldn’t remember names of my friends that I have known for years. It took me like 5 days to start feeling normal again, the brain fog lasted 5 days were I just felt so horrible. If Mitch has had 5 of these or more we definitely have to get a plan B, C and D for the center position. 

 

Sounds familiar.  My concussion stories:

 

5 or 6 years old, just learned to ride a bike.  Riding down our street when something made me look back behind me, then things went blank.  Turns out when I was looking backwards, I ran into a parked car.  I was out cold, neighbor carried me home.

 

Age 15 or 16, playing touch football in the street.  Ran a play as a receiver and hit my head on the pavement.  Went back to the huddle, then just wandered back to the backyard, where I proceeded to pick a carrot from the garden I had planted.  Needless to say, the game ended at that point.

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12 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

This is the stuff that bugs me about front office/pr people.    We support the team through thick and thin, but when something as critical this comes up, there should be more communication with the fans regarding the prognosis, his history w concussions, treatment protocol etc.

 

Morse is it for us this year.  We can't have Bodine getting steamrolled into Josh on every other play like last year.  We don't have depth at center, this isn't a minor thing.   Guys younger than Mitch retire over this condition.

 

Or maybe it IS minor, but we wouldn't know because there's no information coming our way.   

 

Reminds me of Donahoe/Gregggg era.   We don't deserve to know, as long as they know.  (p.s. thanks for the one way relationship)

You apparently have no idea what concussion protocol is. Teams aren't allowed to give information other than saying he is still in concussion protocol. That's part of the rules.

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5 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

Sounds familiar.  My concussion stories:

 

5 or 6 years old, just learned to ride a bike.  Riding down our street when something made me look back behind me, then things went blank.  Turns out when I was looking backwards, I ran into a parked car.  I was out cold, neighbor carried me home.

 

Age 15 or 16, playing touch football in the street.  Ran a play as a receiver and hit my head on the pavement.  Went back to the huddle, then just wandered back to the backyard, where I proceeded to pick a carrot from the garden I had planted.  Needless to say, the game ended at that point.

Nothing about hitting your head and blacking out is funny, but when you said you wandered into the back yard and ate a carrot that brought tears to my eyes. 

 

It is a scary feeling though. If they have gotten progressively worse where your not sure if you will get back mentally 100% I would definitely think about retiring.

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6 hours ago, WickedGame said:

 

I had similar symptoms with my first concussion. Took a hard knock on the head, and just assumed I got my bell rung and that I’d shake it off after a bit of cursing. The thought of a concussion didn’t cross my mind. 

 

I didn’t get real concerned until about an hour later when I was riding in the car to dinner with my family. I got a little nauseous, and when my wife saw the look and my face and asked if I was okay, I couldn’t even spit out a sentence. Then when we got to the restaurant, I could read the menu and recognize the words, but I couldn’t process them. Can’t really find a better way to describe it. I would see the words “burger and fries,” and I knew I recognized the words, but I couldn’t put it together what those things were. I tried just pointing at a menu item, but the minute the waitress asked me a question, all I could do was mumble. All of this was happening in front of my 7-year-old son...pretty scary when you’re a kid to see that happening to your old man. My wife immediately took me to the hospital and they recognized a concussion almost right away. 

I know the feeling, I have two boys that are 13 and 8 and they look at you like your super man. My 8 year old always ask me if I can beat John  Cena and I just laugh. 

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9 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I know the feeling, I have two boys that are 13 and 8 and they look at you like your super man. My 8 year old always ask me if I can beat John  Cena and I just laugh. 

 

You tell him "hell yeah, Cena sucks, anyone can beat him. He's just an old has been son"

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7 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I remember when I was playing flag football and it was a rainy day and a guy from the other team hit me in the head with his knee after a sweep right. I saw that 250 lb RG just sliding on the slippery grass in slow motion and his knee just nailed me on my left temple. I got up, played 2 more plays and walked to the sideline where I couldn’t remember names of my friends that I have known for years. It took me like 5 days to start feeling normal again, the brain fog lasted 5 days were I just felt so horrible. If Mitch has had 5 of these or more we definitely have to get a plan B, C and D for the center position. 

 

While playing rugby in college I took a knee to the head along the sidelines and fell OB. I remember the coach standing over me yelling for me to get back on the field. I did not know they couldn’t stop play for you unless you were on the field.That “rang me bell” pretty good, and I needed directions back to the field. He had to point....I think I crawled. 

 

THAT was my last rugby game. I sure hope they have changed that rule. The very LAST thing you want is someone like that moving until you know what you’re dealing with! I never got the nausea, etc. but I did spend most of that summer in a neck brace for my efforts. Another time I got kicked in the head at Notre Dame and had a few bad days after that. Never went to a doctor. 

 

I’ll save you the trouble: That might explain a few things! 

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41 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

We can send a man to the moon but we can't come up with a better helmet?

 

We didn't really send a man to the moon.

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