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Lorax: Healthy Trent Murphy is a game-changer

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13 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

Healthy is the operative word.  McDermott and Beane are hanging a lot on Murphy being the player they hoped they found last year.  If he's not healthy, the pass rush will suffer this year, again.

Agreed.  Charles Clay was a game changer when healthy as well.   He was never healthy.   Result :  his NFL career worked out exceedingly well... for him. 

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13 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:

Serious question here, how good did Aaron Donald look in his rookie season?  How big of an impact did he have?  I honestly don't remember at this point how good he looked coming right out the gate.  In my mind I keep pondering how much of an impact we can realistically expect from Oliver?(I'm also not implying I think he will match Aaron Donald's production in his rookie year although he could be close)

He looked incredible, 9 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 37 solo tackles and he only startd 12 games

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14 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

I agree, but the same could be said about a lot of players the Bills have picked up and hung their hat on.  Shawne Merriman would be an example.  Remember that one training camp where he was healthy at first and we were all "wow.....LightsOut can flat-out Ball!".  But it didn't last because he couldn't stay healthy.

 

I hope Trent Murphy is healthy and can stay healthy through the season, and be a difference maker.  That would be ultra-cool.  But "healthy" is the key.

 

Where is that guy who talked about the gym where Murphy trains and how it's a known PED pit?

 

I hope McBeane have a Plan B that doesn't rely on a healthy Murphy.

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6 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Huh? Please explain

Sometimes I wonder. 

 

RDE- Hughes

DT- Oliver

DT- Lorax

LDE- Murphy

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33 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Sometimes I wonder. 

 

RDE- Hughes

DT- Oliver

DT- Lorax

LDE- Murphy

Alexander is currently listed at 245 pounds and you want him lined up at DT? I think he is fine as a spot pass rusher in the DE spot. And Im ok with moving Lawson to DT for a few reps a game.  B

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17 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Alexander is currently listed at 245 pounds and you want him lined up at DT? I think he is fine as a spot pass rusher in the DE spot. And Im ok with moving Lawson to DT for a few reps a game.  B

“3rd and long” are you really worried about the undersized DT being run over?  It’s a passing down with the DL pinning back their ears and getting after the qB. He’s 100% one of our top 4 pass rushers and extremely effective rushing the passer from the outside and the interior.  

 

 

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10 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

A game changer? We shall see.

 

It's great that he's healthy and he can be of great help to the defense.

 

If he can stay healthy for most if not the entire season, the better. Depth at DE is a concern.

The last time we saw a fully healthy Murphy (2016 I believe) he was definitely a game changer.  We shall see though.  The talent is definitely there and with a pretty deep and talented line , should see plenty of 1 on 1 situations

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If anything, he and Hughes should create plenty of pressure. Hughes is usually near the top in QB pressures and Murphy was as well before the injuries. Sometimes pressure can be just as good as a sack as it causes QBs to hurry and make poor decisions. 

 

And, fun fact, Washington traded the 34th overall pick in 2014 to the Cowboys for picks 47 (Murphy) and 78 (Spencer Long), both ended up on the Bills. The Cowboys took Demarcus Lawrence with that #34 pick. 

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1 hour ago, blacklabel said:

If anything, he and Hughes should create plenty of pressure. Hughes is usually near the top in QB pressures and Murphy was as well before the injuries. Sometimes pressure can be just as good as a sack as it causes QBs to hurry and make poor decisions. 

 

And, fun fact, Washington traded the 34th overall pick in 2014 to the Cowboys for picks 47 (Murphy) and 78 (Spencer Long), both ended up on the Bills. The Cowboys took Demarcus Lawrence with that #34 pick. 

Great trade for the stupid Cowboys. 

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15 hours ago, Captain Murica said:

He won DROY and went to the pro-bowl in his rookie season. He had 9 sacks, 48 tackles, and 16 TFL in 2014. 

So the dude was a beast as a rookie, and seriously dominant after. I mean, who thought anyone could legitimately make it so obvious to be Defensive Player of the Year over JJ Watt? He really looks like a man playing against boys at times. Yet... he was a complete no show in the Superbowl. Was he injured or Bellichick is really that much of a genius?

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1 hour ago, Jerome007 said:

So the dude was a beast as a rookie, and seriously dominant after. I mean, who thought anyone could legitimately make it so obvious to be Defensive Player of the Year over JJ Watt? He really looks like a man playing against boys at times. Yet... he was a complete no show in the Superbowl. Was he injured or Bellichick is really that much of a genius?

He’s been a monster since the day his name was called by Goodell. It’s funny how Rex stated he couldn’t hold Sheldon Richardson’s jock strap.

 

I hate that hire more ever day. 

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19 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

They largely have the same defensive line as last year, just swap out an aging Kyle for the rookie Ed Oliver.  I'm not holding my breath that Oliver will make that big of an impact out of the gate.  I suspect he will see that he NFL guards and centers are a lot better than what he saw while playing for U of H.  If Murphy is injured, I don't think the pass rush will be formidable at all, coupled with the fact that Frazier tends not to blitz or stunt to overload the opponents weakest link on the OLine.

...and that is why these old school coaches fail. look at what the pats did to rivers in the playoffs. they made him look like peterman. they brought it on every single snap.

i hope mcd will step in if the old wannstandt style of defense rears it's head again like early last season. we have the backend to blitz like crazy and the few times we did last year, i believe all ended up with sacks. i'm holding hope on murphy being a monster. we need him game 1 for sure.

17 hours ago, WideNine said:

 

I wonder how that kid out of North Carolina A&T is coming along... Daryl Johnson Jr.

The Bills scouts tend to hit gold in their later round signings - the kid is raw, but has the height 6' 6" and the build that is in the mold of some of the more successful DE's, maybe not as tall as Jacksonville's Campbell (that kid is a sky scraper), but in the neighborhood.

 

He has some solid guys to learn from, will be interesting to see if he sticks.

 

 

i sure hope he does. i think he'll be another dwight freeney.

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4 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Alexander is currently listed at 245 pounds and you want him lined up at DT? I think he is fine as a spot pass rusher in the DE spot. And Im ok with moving Lawson to DT for a few reps a game.  B

they played that lineup last year with great success. i also think they should kick shaq inside at times.

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7 hours ago, Jerome007 said:

So the dude was a beast as a rookie, and seriously dominant after. I mean, who thought anyone could legitimately make it so obvious to be Defensive Player of the Year over JJ Watt? He really looks like a man playing against boys at times. Yet... he was a complete no show in the Superbowl. Was he injured or Bellichick is really that much of a genius?

???? I thought he had a big impact on that game. Pats may have tried to avoid him but it’s not like they had a lot of success doing it. Bellichek showed the genius by shutting Goff down. 

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I think there’s enough depth to get a consistent rush this year. Between the Phillips boys, now Oliver, Hughes and Murphy.. and I know Shaq Lawson “can’t get sacks” but he’s actually my pick to have the best season since he’s playing for a huge payday. We can always throw Lorax in to help, Milano can get pressure when asked and edmunds absolutely has some pass rush chops. With a strong secondary there’s zero reason these guys should not get plenty of pressure 

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On 7/29/2019 at 4:29 AM, MJS said:

They have a rotation on the defensive line and if Murphy gets injured or doesn't perform he'll get less snaps and other guys will get more opportunities, like Shaq Lawson. We also know that Lorenzo Alexander rushes the passer in certain situations. They also drafted Oliver high to provide pass rush on the interior. And of course, our top pass rusher is Jerry Hughes.

 

Ultimately they will be fine regardless. It would definitely be great if Murphy is good and healthy, but the success of the defense (and even the pass rush) does not hinge only on that.

If  Murphy can rush the passer like he did in Washington, the Bills traditional 4-man rush on the passer will work keeping the DBs engaged with the WRs  in the secondary.   This could result in more turnovers.

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On 7/28/2019 at 6:32 PM, Happy Gilmore said:

Healthy is the operative word.  McDermott and Beane are hanging a lot on Murphy being the player they hoped they found last year.  If he's not healthy, the pass rush will suffer this year, again.

 

Blitz

 

 

On 7/28/2019 at 6:59 PM, MJS said:

They have a rotation on the defensive line and if Murphy gets injured or doesn't perform he'll get less snaps and other guys will get more opportunities, like Shaq Lawson. We also know that Lorenzo Alexander rushes the passer in certain situations. They also drafted Oliver high to provide pass rush on the interior. And of course, our top pass rusher is Jerry Hughes.

 

Ultimately they will be fine regardless. It would definitely be great if Murphy is good and healthy, but the success of the defense (and even the pass rush) does not hinge only on that.

 

If this was one of those survey questions. I’d check the strongly agree box

 

:D

 

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On 7/28/2019 at 7:24 PM, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

DE and WR will be our clear targets in FA and the draft next year. 

Yeah, hopefully a good one falls to us at the 32nd pick.. 😋

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6 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Blitz

 

Not with Frazier.  How many times did they blitz last year?  I bet you could count them on one hand.

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On ‎7‎/‎29‎/‎2019 at 2:59 PM, Ethan in Portland said:

Alexander is currently listed at 245 pounds and you want him lined up at DT? I think he is fine as a spot pass rusher in the DE spot. And Im ok with moving Lawson to DT for a few reps a game.  B

 

Alexander did some rushing from DT in sub packages last year and was pretty effective doing so. 

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Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Alexander did some rushing from DT in sub packages last year and was pretty effective doing so. 

 

Alexander did it more than "some" I believe...I saw him there a good amount on the obvious passing situations. 

Do you think this front 4 is too light?  Murphy - Lorax - Oliver - Hughes 

3rd and 7+ situations?

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Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Alexander did it more than "some" I believe...I saw him there a good amount on the obvious passing situations. 

Do you think this front 4 is too light?  Murphy - Lorax - Oliver - Hughes 

3rd and 7+ situations?

 

I haven't got the snap %s in front of me but he definitely did it some - whether that some is a lot or a little. I think you can use that front 4 in some 3rd and longs. But I don't think you want it to be your main 3rd and long D I think you need to mix it up. 

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An available, healthy Murphy returning to form would be huge for this defense. 

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