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1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

Who are these people in western NY?

You keep saying that but then explain how it works in Cleveland. They have PSL's and just raised their ticket prices. I am pretty sure Cleveland as a city isn't any more well off then Buffalo is. I think it's just that a lot of are afraid of being priced out. 

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3 minutes ago, OJ Tom said:

I've been a fan since grade-school...I'm 51.

I had season tickets in 1989. 

Indoor football is almost a different game. It's soulless

 

I can understand where you’re coming from but if you’ve been a fan that long, I find it hard to believe that you would just find a new team if they play indoors. 

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Just now, Doc said:

 

I can understand where you’re coming from but if you’ve been a fan that long, I find it hard to believe that you would just find a new team if they play indoors. 

 

I now live in Los Angeles, so all the teams play outdoors.

 

It's not just the weather. It's the way it looks, with no sunlight even during the day, and no change throughout the game. 

I don't like it at all.

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I am a roof guy.  I hate fighting the elements.  

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22 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

You keep saying that but then explain how it works in Cleveland. They have PSL's and just raised their ticket prices. I am pretty sure Cleveland as a city isn't any more well off then Buffalo is. I think it's just that a lot of are afraid of being priced out. 


It DOESN'T work in Cleveland. In fact they got rid of PSLs 5 years ago. Also, the Browns stadiumw as built in 1999, they have cheaper tickets than we do, and their attendance is lower.

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2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

I believe you, but I doubt that your opinion is the majority. A new stadium will most certainly not have the same cut rate pricing schedule as the current one. The goal in business is to make more money, after all. You apparently feel very threatened by the possibility of having to pay higher prices and that’s fine. However, it is inevitable that prices go up for nearly everything consumers buy. The fact is while some fans share your take, there are likely many who won’t attend games due to the bad weather and somewhat uncontrolled atmosphere brought about by the currently cheap tickets. No amount of whining about what the Bills organization might or might not do will change this. They will put forth the business plan they feel will increase their revenue appropriately. As fans we can’t control this regardless of our individual takes on a possible new stadium. 

how on earth did you get that from what I've said. that's not the case in the least.... I feel threatened by the thought of my gameday experience being ruined by having to sit indoors.... in which case there is no way in hell i'm paying more for a worse experience. at least not for the 5 or 6 times a year i'm going now.  i'm telling you even if the prices were the same as they are now I wouldn't be inclined to go sit in a dome. price isn't the issue here.

 

hell, I would have no problem paying more for the same dang stadium if it ensured it stays outside.... call me old school I guess? I dunno. watching football in a dome feels really unnatural to me. I was actually really looking forward to my first dome game last year in lucas oil and as I walked into the stadium from a beautiful brisk fall day I realized immediately it pretty much sucked. I guess maybe that's just me.

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3 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I think you underestimate how many people enjoy an outdoor game. like I said, the whole crew I go up with basically feels the same way. I guess the 20 or so of us are the minority?????

 

i'm telling you they would lose my attendance even if they made the dome and kept the prices the same.... if they raised them? yaaaa, I wont be attending much of anything. the dome experience completely sucked IMO.... heck, my wife thoroughly dislikes the winter games we go to and she even said she preferred the open air in the winter to the game we attended in lucas oil.

So you are saying you go for the party and the atmosphere of the event not the team itself. Gotcha! 

 

Me I root for the team and would go to their games if they were on the moon, or a mile underground, I wouldn't give a rats ass what they played in I'm still going to be there cheering them on!

 

That said give me a building with a roof, I like being more comfortable than not.

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3 minutes ago, pop gun said:

So you are saying you go for the party and the atmosphere of the event not the team itself. Gotcha! 

 

Me I root for the team and would go to their games if they were on the moon, or a mile underground, I wouldn't give a rats ass what they played in I'm still going to be there cheering them on!

nope. dunno how exactly you got that from what I said at all. I literally have said numerous times I love watching the game outdoors and watching from a climate controlled dome feels like my living room. how does that equate to me saying I go for the party? if I'm going to a live football game I want to be out in the weather. that's a huge part of the whole gameday experience for me.

 

I quite literally referred to the game watching experience in the dome not being my cup of tea in my example and somehow you take that as me going for the party?

 

and what the hell does a dome have to do with the party. that can still happen pregame regardless.

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For everyone saying "If they build a dome, they lose my business!"... I feel your pain, I do, I'm an outdoor football guy myself.

 

But understand, they (the NFL) absolutely does not care if they lose your ticket business. Especially when moving to a stadium which will have probably 15,000 LESS seats (but plenty more corporate suites).

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2 hours ago, OJ Tom said:

 

I've been a fan since grade-school...I'm 51.

I had season tickets in 1989. 

Indoor football is almost a different game. It's soulless

 

That's the same thing they said at the advent of the forward pass, plastic helmets, facemasks, and artificial turf.  If football lost its soul, it did so long before the Astrodome.

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8 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

 

My most preferable option is exactly as you describe and I often use Centurylink Field as the example/standard.  It seems like we get the best of all worlds.  It is unique, has a roof and protection from elements, outdoor, projects noise, and many of the creature comforts of a new stadium, but still game-centric.  The costs are also fairly reasonable... roughly half of what building a Minnesota-stadium would cost.  

 

I wouldn't be completely against a "Seattle style" stadium, could be a happy-medium.  Though my preference is still a Minny style, DT, costs be dammed (the Pegula's want to leave a legacy...) 😂

 

I just hope that they wherever they land with the Roof / No Ceilings debate, they build something stylish and unique for Buffalo.  Give me a signature piece, a shine for the Bills and the city of Buffalo!  The last thing I'd want to see is another cinderblock warehouse like Indy.  Just what the world needs...

 

I mean, WTH, if you're going to spend $600M on a new building in Buffalo, let's at least make the thing COOL!! :D

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, OJ Tom said:

 

I now live in Los Angeles, so all the teams play outdoors....

...when you do have them...😁

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13 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

...when you do have them...😁

 

I would venture to say that Buffalo is more likely to lose it's team than for Los Angeles to lose both of theirs (not to mention the major college teams).

 

 

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21 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Do the packers, Steelers, or pats ever have trouble filling their seats in the cold months? ...That’s a hard “NO”. 

 

I think for cheeseheads they have a natural layer of blubber like whales or polar bears so that does not count.

I am a Packer fan but not a cheesehead.  Only belly not covering layer.

 

Oh and on the run to Hartford effort the P*ts were going to get a dome.

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56 minutes ago, Heitz said:

 

I wouldn't be completely against a "Seattle style" stadium, could be a happy-medium.  Though my preference is still a Minny style, DT, costs be dammed (the Pegula's want to leave a legacy...) 😂

 

I just hope that they wherever they land with the Roof / No Ceilings debate, they build something stylish and unique for Buffalo.  Give me a signature piece, a shine for the Bills and the city of Buffalo!  The last thing I'd want to see is another cinderblock warehouse like Indy.  Just what the world needs...

 

I mean, WTH, if you're going to spend $600M on a new building in Buffalo, let's at least make the thing COOL!! :D

 

 

 

 

A friend of mine was an architect and he was commissioned to do a new stadium design for Bills (design not entire architecture plans). 

His plans had an open roof but sides slanted over stands partially protecting vs precipitation with snow and rain designed to slide down side and with snow pile up along sides.

It partially protected against wind as well although he said it could cause a wind tunnel affect in certain weather conditions.

It was beautiful, architecturally possible and unique.  He told me Bills held rights if they choose to use it the decision is up to them.

He died last season from brain cancer.

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2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

I think for cheeseheads they have a natural layer of blubber like whales or polar bears so that does not count.

I am a Packer fan but not a cheesehead.  Only belly not covering layer.

 

Oh and on the run to Hartford effort the P*ts were going to get a dome.

If they ever do away with that stadium it will be a damned travesty. I went last year and my god that was just the ultimate gameday stadium and vibe. What a place. 

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6 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

That's the same thing they said at the advent of the forward pass, plastic helmets, facemasks, and artificial turf.  If football lost its soul, it did so long before the Astrodome.

I mean, let's not kid ourselves. The quality of game itself has been on a massive decline since the eighties.

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4 hours ago, Heitz said:

 

I wouldn't be completely against a "Seattle style" stadium, could be a happy-medium.  Though my preference is still a Minny style, DT, costs be dammed (the Pegula's want to leave a legacy...) 😂

 

I just hope that they wherever they land with the Roof / No Ceilings debate, they build something stylish and unique for Buffalo.  Give me a signature piece, a shine for the Bills and the city of Buffalo!  The last thing I'd want to see is another cinderblock warehouse like Indy.  Just what the world needs...

 

I mean, WTH, if you're going to spend $600M on a new building in Buffalo, let's at least make the thing COOL!! :D

 

The overhang in Seattle makes the most sense.   It's also a style used in European soccer stadiums.  And I would bet a new joint would look a lot like one of those venues.  Modern, stylish and functional.

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On 7/1/2019 at 9:13 PM, Rc2catch said:

Although my game days are over in the buffalo area I would still go with the roof. Years ago I wanted them to peg a new stadium in the Lewiston area as close to the border as possible. In my older years I realize that probably wouldn’t work out too well and of course have no clue what shape Niagara Falls/ town of niagara/ Lewiston is in these days. I just always felt that area needed the infusion of surrounding businesses a stadium would undoubtedly bring. If/when they do a new stadium I will make the trip to come see it though 

 

My only issue with a roof is on TV the game seems dead to me. It probably doesn't apply to everyone, but watching games in the old Minnesota dome, the Superdome, Atlanta, they just all seem dead to me. The lighting just doesn't seem right, the crowd can be as raucous as ever. 

 

I hated the games in the Rodger's centre, they were dead crowds. But the dome games for some reason just put me to sleep it's all off.

 

That said, I won't be mad if they build a stadium with a roof. It just always seems off to me on TV no matter who is playing.

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16 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

how on earth did you get that from what I've said. that's not the case in the least.... I feel threatened by the thought of my gameday experience being ruined by having to sit indoors.... in which case there is no way in hell i'm paying more for a worse experience. at least not for the 5 or 6 times a year i'm going now.  i'm telling you even if the prices were the same as they are now I wouldn't be inclined to go sit in a dome. price isn't the issue here.

 

hell, I would have no problem paying more for the same dang stadium if it ensured it stays outside.... call me old school I guess? I dunno. watching football in a dome feels really unnatural to me. I was actually really looking forward to my first dome game last year in lucas oil and as I walked into the stadium from a beautiful brisk fall day I realized immediately it pretty much sucked. I guess maybe that's just me.

Yes.  It would be a shame if the beautiful fall days are not part of a Bills game.  The cold is only a big issue 2-3 games a year.  In Buffalo, snow is an issue 5 months so most people are used to the outside winter activities (skiing, skating, snowboarding, sledding, etc).  I vote no roof, and fix up the OP site.  Inside football just isn't the same.  Even a roof that opens a small opening is artificial.  The Toronto dome gets it right, but that one is unrealistic for football.  Go Bills!!  

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19 hours ago, OJ Tom said:

 

I now live in Los Angeles, so all the teams play outdoors.

 

It's not just the weather. It's the way it looks, with no sunlight even during the day, and no change throughout the game. 

I don't like it at all.

Well I hate to disappoint you but the new Inglewood stadium has a roof. 

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I still am a roof guy. Sick of myself fighting the elements takes away from my game experience. Also I want to watch elite athletes in optimal conditions. Weather takes that ability away. So Roof it is for me. 

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14 hours ago, OJ Tom said:

I would venture to say that Buffalo is more likely to lose it's team than for Los Angeles to lose both of theirs (not to mention the major college teams).

 

I bet you're wrong...annnnnnnnd, I win.  Both the Rams and the Raiders have left LA, the Bills have never left Buffalo. :D:beer:

 

And there's nothing like a football game in LA, in an outdoor stadium - the visitors side during the Bills / Chargers game at StubHub was like watching from the surface of the sun after a couple hours (could have been the game though...).  I was so relieved during Dew Tour in Long Beach a few weeks ago when it was 75, not 90! 😎

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1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

I still am a roof guy. Sick of myself fighting the elements takes away from my game experience. Also I want to watch elite athletes in optimal conditions. Weather takes that ability away. So Roof it is for me. 

realistically how many crap weather games a year are in buffalo taking that away? 1? 2?.... and isn't football, at its foundation, supposed to be elite athletes showing skill in the elements/outdoors?

 

also i'm not trying to be a jerk here. your points are reasonable. but maybe prep a bit better for gameday? I go with plenty of layers, feet and hand warmers, fire ring or heaters for tailgating and have never had an issue... one exception being early winter games if its not snowing yet and you are getting rained on. I will concede those games can be a bit miserable. but even a good quality poncho combats that fairly well.

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