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Retractable roof. Roof closed only if it rains or if it's below 32 degrees (Takes care of any snow fall at the same time). Other than that roof always open even if it's 90 degrees.

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Purely as a Bills fan i dont want a roof. However as a multiuse facility that can bring in more revenue, events  and "prestige" to Buffalo is the  way to go.

 

 

Also with a roof my wife is more likely to go, No way she is going now unless its warm out. She hates football but every little bit helps.

 

 

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You build it with a roof and people who don't want a roof will still go.

 

You build it without a roof and the people who don't go because of the weather still won't go. 

 

The answer is simple, build it with a roof and everybody will go.

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Interesting article on the potential of adding a retractable roof to Ford Field:

 

https://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180729/news/667236/the-perils-and-perks-of-adding-a-retractable-roof-to-ford-field

 

Obviously this is about adding a retractable roof to an existing stadium, but brings up some interesting points about indoor v outdoor stadiums...

 

 

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58 minutes ago, Heitz said:

Interesting article on the potential of adding a retractable roof to Ford Field:

 

https://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180729/news/667236/the-perils-and-perks-of-adding-a-retractable-roof-to-ford-field

 

Obviously this is about adding a retractable roof to an existing stadium, but brings up some interesting points about indoor v outdoor stadiums...

 

 

 

This makes me even more curious about how the numbers work on a deal like this. The Lions pay only $250k/year in rent, plus another $300k towards a maintenance fund? The utilities alone are almost $2 mil! Lot’s of factors, I know, on both the income and expense sides. They touch on naming rights and various repairs and expenses. I’m curious to know what parking and concessions alone generate.  I’d love to see a basic little spread sheet and check that bottom line. 

 

 

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But I don't like the rain

 

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If the Pats can play in the elements so can the Bills !

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On 7/7/2019 at 2:05 PM, Heitz said:

Interesting article on the potential of adding a retractable roof to Ford Field:

 

https://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180729/news/667236/the-perils-and-perks-of-adding-a-retractable-roof-to-ford-field

 

Obviously this is about adding a retractable roof to an existing stadium, but brings up some interesting points about indoor v outdoor stadiums...

 

 

 

There is quite a bit in article including the issues when multiple sports share one stadium.

On 7/7/2019 at 3:03 PM, Augie said:

 

This makes me even more curious about how the numbers work on a deal like this. The Lions pay only $250k/year in rent, plus another $300k towards a maintenance fund? The utilities alone are almost $2 mil! Lot’s of factors, I know, on both the income and expense sides. They touch on naming rights and various repairs and expenses. I’m curious to know what parking and concessions alone generate.  I’d love to see a basic little spread sheet and check that bottom line. 

 

Obviously like every stadium which is leased the owner takes a beating.  

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On 7/7/2019 at 9:25 AM, pop gun said:

You build it with a roof and people who don't want a roof will still go.

 

You build it without a roof and the people who don't go because of the weather still won't go. 

 

The answer is simple, build it with a roof and everybody will go.

100% false(for me). I can confidently tell you that if they build a dome I will cut my attendance from the 5 or 6 games I usually go to a year to MAYBE 1 to 2. I feel no desire to drive 90 min from home just to walk into a stadium that has the same climate feel as my living room. 

 

After attending a domed game last year, I personally cannot stand the thought of it. Give me the outdoor gameday feel or I’ll most likely just stay home.... While I can’t speak for everyone I know plenty that feel the exact same way. 

17 hours ago, T master said:

If the Pats can play in the elements so can the Bills !

It’s a really simple concept. Just win. There’s nothing that will dictate attendance more than that. 

 

Do the packers, Steelers, or pats ever have trouble filling their seats in the cold months? ...That’s a hard “NO”. 

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On 7/1/2019 at 8:03 PM, Heitz said:

Roof for me.  

 

Am I old?  Soft?  Spending too much time in SoCal?  Probably...

 

I'm going to continue to call out US Bank Stadium in Minneapolis as a great example of what can be done with a "roof".  When you're in that stadium it feels like you're outside - it's pretty cool.  And the entire front is basically big-ass doors that you can open for a breeze and open-air feel on those nice fall days...

 

https://www.popularmechanics.com/adventure/sports/a19066/minnesota-viking-football-stadium-roof/

 

:beer:

 

 

This is the only indoor style I’d support. I’ve  been to indoor games in St. Louis, Indianapolis, Minneapolis (the old metrodome) and didn’t like it at all.

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I hate dome teams, and watching games played in a dome.

 

I will find a new team if the Bills move indoors. 

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3 hours ago, OJ Tom said:

I hate dome teams, and watching games played in a dome.

 

I will find a new team if the Bills move indoors. 

 

How did you become a Bills fan in the first place?  Do you go to any game?

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4 hours ago, OJ Tom said:

I hate dome teams, and watching games played in a dome.

 

I will find a new team if the Bills move indoors. 

So we’ll put you down as a ‘no’ roof then. Got it!

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On 7/6/2019 at 9:07 PM, QCity said:

 

I always liked the idea of the Seahawks stadium with slightly more overhang. The endzones could be "sealed up" to block the wind, and only the seats closest to the field would be exposed to the elements. It would present some interesting seating decisions -- you would have to brave the elements if you want to be close to the action, but the seats furthest from the field would be completely sheltered. The exact opposite of New Era where the highest rows of the upper deck are like a wind tunnel.

 

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My most preferable option is exactly as you describe and I often use Centurylink Field as the example/standard.  It seems like we get the best of all worlds.  It is unique, has a roof and protection from elements, outdoor, projects noise, and many of the creature comforts of a new stadium, but still game-centric.  The costs are also fairly reasonable... roughly half of what building a Minnesota-stadium would cost.  

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12 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

100% false.  

Maybe for you. 

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Just now, pop gun said:

Maybe for you. 

right. I shoulda prefaced it with that.... but my point at the end of my post is, while I cant speak for the masses, I know a good amount of people I attend games with that feel the same way.

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13 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

100% false. I can confidently tell you that if they build a dome I will cut my attendance from the 5 or 6 games I usually go to a year to MAYBE 1 to 2. I feel no desire to drive 90 min from home just to walk into a stadium that has the same climate feel as my living room. 

 

After attending a domed game last year, I personally cannot stand the thought of it. Give me the outdoor gameday feel or I’ll most likely just stay home.... While I can’t speak for everyone I know plenty that feel the exact same way. 

It’s a really simple concept. Just win. There’s nothing that will dictate attendance more than that. 

 

Do the packers, Steelers, or pats ever have trouble filling their seats in the cold months? ...That’s a hard “NO”. 

Once again, this is not about filling seats. It’s about getting fans who are paying higher prices to fill them. For every fan who shares your opinion on a climate controlled facility, it’s probable that there are 5 who would attend and pay high prices to do so in such a building. But hey , it’s simple right? Just become one of the two or three winningest franchises in the NFL. Not a predictable business model to follow there. If a team could just go grab a Roethlisberger or a Brady when they wanted to, they’d all be doing it. You need predictability, and selling seats outdoors in brutal Buffalo weather is a challenge. How much more are you willing to pay for a seat in the current building?

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No roof. Let the "fair-weather" fans watch at home or in the box seats. If you add a roof, say goodbye to the Winter Classic, too.

As Chan Gailey said, "It's a tough game for tough people."

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5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Once again, this is not about filling seats. It’s about getting fans who are paying higher prices to fill them. For every fan who shares your opinion on a climate controlled facility, it’s probable that there are 5 who would attend and pay high prices to do so in such a building. But hey , it’s simple right? Just become one of the two or three winningest franchises in the NFL. Not a predictable business model to follow there. If a team could just go grab a Roethlisberger or a Brady when they wanted to, they’d all be doing it. You need predictability, and selling seats outdoors in brutal Buffalo weather is a challenge. How much more are you willing to pay for a seat in the current building?

I think you underestimate how many people enjoy an outdoor game. like I said, the whole crew I go up with basically feels the same way. I guess the 20 or so of us are the minority?????

 

i'm telling you they would lose my attendance even if they made the dome and kept the prices the same.... if they raised them? yaaaa, I wont be attending much of anything. the dome experience completely sucked IMO.... heck, my wife thoroughly dislikes the winter games we go to and she even said she preferred the open air in the winter to the game we attended in lucas oil.

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10 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Once again, this is not about filling seats. It’s about getting fans who are paying higher prices to fill them.

 

Who are these people in western NY?

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26 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

Who are these people in western NY?

Apparently you don’t know any , ergo they don’t exist in the humble hamlet that is WNY. 

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30 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I think you underestimate how many people enjoy an outdoor game. like I said, the whole crew I go up with basically feels the same way. I guess the 20 or so of us are the minority?????

 

i'm telling you they would lose my attendance even if they made the dome and kept the prices the same.... if they raised them? yaaaa, I wont be attending much of anything. the dome experience completely sucked IMO.... heck, my wife thoroughly dislikes the winter games we go to and she even said she preferred the open air in the winter to the game we attended in lucas oil.

I believe you, but I doubt that your opinion is the majority. A new stadium will most certainly not have the same cut rate pricing schedule as the current one. The goal in business is to make more money, after all. You apparently feel very threatened by the possibility of having to pay higher prices and that’s fine. However, it is inevitable that prices go up for nearly everything consumers buy. The fact is while some fans share your take, there are likely many who won’t attend games due to the bad weather and somewhat uncontrolled atmosphere brought about by the currently cheap tickets. No amount of whining about what the Bills organization might or might not do will change this. They will put forth the business plan they feel will increase their revenue appropriately. As fans we can’t control this regardless of our individual takes on a possible new stadium. 

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5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Apparently you don’t know any , ergo they don’t exist in the humble hamlet that is WNY. 

I sure don't know 70 thousand of them. The top paying fields in Buffalo are all high end medical jobs, and there aren't that many of them. How many luxury clothes stores stores exist in Buffalo where you pay $500 for a tshirt? How many Teslas, Range Rovers, Porsches, Bentley's, Ferarri's do you see on your commute? 

If you see them chances are good they're athletes, high-end doctors, or construction company owners. You need that kind of money to afford the types of ticket prices they charge in new stadiums, and there simply isn't the volume for that in Buffalo NY. Maybe someday soon, but they need to start attracting more high end IT companies where making 100k is on the low end of comp.

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6 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I sure don't know 70 thousand of them. The top paying fields in Buffalo are all high end medical jobs, and there aren't that many of them. How many luxury clothes stores stores exist in Buffalo where you pay $500 for a tshirt? How many Teslas, Range Rovers, Porsches, Bentley's, Ferarri's do you see on your commute? 

If you see them chances are good they're athletes, high-end doctors, or construction company owners. You need that kind of money to afford the types of ticket prices they charge in new stadiums, and there simply isn't the volume for that in Buffalo NY. Maybe someday soon, but they need to start attracting more high end IT companies where making 100k is on the low end of comp.

There is more than enough of an upscale market in WNY for the Bills to charge more than they currently do for tickets, particularly in a climate controlled building with substantially fewer seats.Of course not all seats will fetch the highest prices and there shouldn’t be 70k of them.  Dallas, NYC  or San Francisco prices ? No way, but overall cost of living is lower in WNY than many of those areas. I see lots of BMWs , Porsches Maseratis  and Range Rovers on my daily drives. They’re not all jocks and MDs. Not many Ferrari’s or Bentley’s. I’d venture the Bentley driver would only be attending in a corporate box, and the Bills don’t have too much room for growth there. There is room for growth most everywhere else, though. I’m not talking about generational wealth, but upper middle class. There is a distinct difference. 

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6 hours ago, Doc said:

 

How did you become a Bills fan in the first place?  Do you go to any game?

 

I've been a fan since grade-school...I'm 51.

I had season tickets in 1989. 

Indoor football is almost a different game. It's soulless

 

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