MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Gugny said: I know I'm in the minority, but I've always thought that Rob Gronkowski was what was RIGHT for football. Talented, fun and clean. The White hit was terrible; but it was an isolated incident for which I refuse to label him. He's a great dude. Hmmm, I guess you probably think OJ is great dude also, except for his one slip up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: Hmmm, I guess you probably think OJ is great dude also, except for his one slip up. Pretty harsh, there. It’s like hating Larry Bird or Bill Laimbeer for throwing an elbow, or even a punch, in the heat of competition. It’s wrong, and it’s dirty (and the Gronk hit is as DIRTY as I can think of in decades!), but it’s not like taking a knife to go end two lives. Your hyperbole is off the mark here, IMO. Oh, and OJ has an ugly track record aside from that night. Way off, there, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 That title had me clicking in expecting to see he donated $5Million and I'd have to reconsider hating him. He drops more the $50k on one night in Vegas. Cool story, but not big news. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Augie said: Pretty harsh, there. It’s like hating Larry Bird or Bill Laimbeer for throwing an elbow, or even a punch, in the heat of competition. It’s wrong, and it’s dirty (and the Gronk hit is as DIRTY as I can think of in decades!), but it’s not like taking a knife to go end two lives. Your hyperbole is off the mark here, IMO. Oh, and OJ has an ugly track record aside from that night. Way off, there, sir. Trying to cripple someone is way different than throwing an elbow or fist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 When my niece was there..I saw some very tired nurses..man,they are challenged and worked to the bone. God bless Thanks Gronk....you are Warrior blood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 minute ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: Trying to cripple someone is way different than throwing an elbow or fist It is an emotional moment in the heat of battle, far short of taking a knife across town and slashing throats. My analogy is far closer than yours, which was my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 50,000 is not a massive donation. Where I work and at this Children's hospital I doubt he even makes the donor wall. He has enough money he could donate the naming rights for an entire ward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) It's a donation from his Foundation, not his wallet. Good for the hospital... Edited June 19, 2019 by ricojes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) Jeez guys. He didn’t have to donate jack ***** yet he did. $50,000 dollars worth which is a large amount for the average fan. Gronk personally isn’t a big spender who will be broke in 3 years after his career like most players. Cut the guy some slack and stop being nitpicking, whiny cry babies. $50,000 is $50,000 and it’s going towards a good cause. Edited June 19, 2019 by Shooter McGavin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: 50,000 is not a massive donation. Where I work and at this Children's hospital I doubt he even makes the donor wall. He has enough money he could donate the naming rights for an entire ward. PLEASE, let us not denigrate a significant donation to a great cause. Is it what I would classify as “massive”? No, of course not. My wife lives in the world of large foundations and endowments. Nothing massive about this for someone of that wealth. But that takes ZERO away from what actually happened here. A guy who is leaving the only significant job he has ever known has just committed a large sum of money to a very good cause. I don’t care if it was $50, I welcome his contribution. Don’t lessen it because he has more money than most of us. . 7 minutes ago, ricojes said: It's a donation from his Foundation, not his wallet. Good for the hospital... Who funded the Foundation? Was it your money? I’ll bet it was mostly money Gronk elected to funnel that way. Good for the hospital indeed, and I won’t discount his contribution in any way. Edited June 19, 2019 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Augie said: Who funded the Foundation? Was it your money? I’ll bet it was mostly money Gronk elected to funnel that way. Good for the hospital indeed, and I won’t discount his contribution in any way. I believe it was Rob and his brothers that started and run the foundation. Edited June 19, 2019 by ricojes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 $50k gift from a guy with that much money is what’s known as a “go away” gift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Augie said: It is also generous when you give publicly. $50k is $50k. Yes like Ralph Wilson did. He did not need to have donated so much money when he died. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 One thing that often befuddles me here is how some many people hate on folks who have made some money. He gives away $50k and people say it could/should be more. WTF? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Gugny said: I mentioned it with a purpose; to point out that it was an isolated incident - which it was. And I will maintain, forever, that the worst part of that hit was White's teammates standing by and doing nothing - and never doing anything - in an effort to avenge him. Until he publicly apologizes to White saying it was an uncalled for hit he cannot buy forgiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, The Senator said: So I take that had he broken White’s neck and left him in a Kevin Everett condition, Gronk would not be a great guy, but since White can still walk, Gronk’s a helluva great dude? Are you related to him? . As was stated by Gug Gronk did not have a history of dirty play. Instead, he was usually the victim of dirty play throughout his career. He lost his composure and could have seriously hurt White on the play. Fortunately, White did not get seriously injured. He was ultimately suspended for that reckless play. The disciplinary system worked as it was supposed to. I'm not giving Gronk a pass on that play. But it isn't fair to allow that one play to represent how he usually played the game. In addition, I'm not going to sneer, as others have done, at his generous donation. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Augie said: One thing that often befuddles me here is how some many people hate on folks who have made some money. He gives away $50k and people say it could/should be more. WTF? I’m not saying he didn’t do a good thing, but I’m similarly befuddled by how many are ready to anoint him King of the Benevolent Dummies for this. If this was truly about doing good and not about PR, he would’ve made that gift anonymously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 41 minutes ago, Augie said: It is an emotional moment in the heat of battle, far short of taking a knife across town and slashing throats. My analogy is far closer than yours, which was my point. Trying to cripple someone is more than being in the heat of the moment. Using your logic though, OJ could argue that he was in the heat of the moment also. Your analogy really down plays how vicious and despicable Gronk was... he was borderline psychopathic criminal. Your point isn’t nearly as close as you think, which is my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: Trying to cripple someone is more than being in the heat of the moment. Using your logic though, OJ could argue that he was in the heat of the moment also. Your analogy really down plays how vicious and despicable Gronk was... he was borderline psychopathic criminal. Your point isn’t nearly as close as you think, which is my point. No, one happened during a play in a heated game. The other required a trip to go visit someone with a knife and gloves. Don’t embarrass yourself. I am NOT excusing Gronk, but take a step back and review. 7 minutes ago, jimmy10 said: I’m not saying he didn’t do a good thing, but I’m similarly befuddled by how many are ready to anoint him King of the Benevolent Dummies for this. If this was truly about doing good and not about PR, he would’ve made that gift anonymously. I don’t get why doing it anonymously makes it better. How many college buildings or fields are named after families? It’s almost like you LOSE points for making it public. That’s just wrong. Be generous, and appreciate those who are generous. If you don’t want to like or appreciate him or his gift, that’s fine. Nobody asked for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, jimmy10 said: I’m not saying he didn’t do a good thing, but I’m similarly befuddled by how many are ready to anoint him King of the Benevolent Dummies for this. If this was truly about doing good and not about PR, he would’ve made that gift anonymously. Pretty sure since it is from the Gronk Nation Foundation, it cannot be anonymous. Edited June 19, 2019 by ricojes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 30 minutes ago, JohnC said: As was stated by Gug Gronk did not have a history of dirty play. Instead, he was usually the victim of dirty play throughout his career. He lost his composure and could have seriously hurt White on the play. Fortunately, White did not get seriously injured. He was ultimately suspended for that reckless play. The disciplinary system worked as it was supposed to. I'm not giving Gronk a pass on that play. But it isn't fair to allow that one play to represent how he usually played the game. In addition, I'm not going to sneer, as others have done, at his generous donation. Finally, a voice of reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 38 minutes ago, jimmy10 said: $50k gift from a guy with that much money is what’s known as a “go away” gift. If you make a $50 or $500 gift to anything worthwhile, I hope nobody disparages that contribution on your behalf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Not quite PK Subban massive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 26 minutes ago, Augie said: No, one happened during a play in a heated game. The other required a trip to go visit someone with a knife and gloves. Don’t embarrass yourself. I am NOT excusing Gronk, but take a step back and review. I don’t get why doing it anonymously makes it better. How many college buildings or fields are named after families? It’s almost like you LOSE points for making it public. That’s just wrong. Be generous, and appreciate those who are generous. If you don’t want to like or appreciate him or his gift, that’s fine. Nobody asked for that. No, you are excusing Gronk. That is exactly what you’re doing... you are making an excuse for his abhorrent act, so you are excusing him. Calling it, the heat of the moment... kinda like a crime of passion. You’re making excuses for a scumbag who tried to deliberately end the career of a young player whose biggest fault that game was playing aggressive bump and run. You are making an excuse for him, admit it. Because that’s literally what you did... you made an excuse for why Gronks act wasn’t “that” bad. Gronk: 6’6” 280 Tre: 5’11” 190 Takes a big man to dive with all his body weight onto the back neck of a MUCH smaller rookie and try to cripple him. Gronk is a scumbag through and through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 5 hours ago, RobbRiddick said: His former owner gave someone less fortunate a massive load of his own and got nothing but criticism At his age, I doubt it was a massive load. More like a drop in the bucket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 minute ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: No, you are excusing Gronk. That is exactly what you’re doing... you are making an excuse for his abhorrent act, so you are excusing him. Calling it, the heat of the moment... kinda like a crime of passion. You’re making excuses for a scumbag who tried to deliberately end the career of a young player whose biggest fault that game was playing aggressive bump and run. You are making an excuse for him, admit it. Because that’s literally what you did... you made an excuse for why Gronks act wasn’t “that” bad. Well that’s just silly! I made no excuses. I said it was horribly wrong. I was drawing a distinction. You say he “tried to deliberately end the career” of Tre. How do you know what was in his mind? Certainly frustration and maybe rage. End his career? You KNOW that? In the heat of the moment? Don’t embarrass yourself further by trying to equate a dirty play on a football field with a double homicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 6 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Agree, nice he donated but $50k to him is $50 to most of us. Title is misleading I think you should donate $100 to them ASAP. You know, to prove that point. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, jimmy10 said: $50k gift from a guy with that much money is what’s known as a “go away” gift. I'd revoke your avy if I had the power for that post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TYSONKO1 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Gugny said: I know I'm in the minority, but I've always thought that Rob Gronkowski was what was RIGHT for football. Talented, fun and clean. The White hit was terrible; but it was an isolated incident for which I refuse to label him. He's a great dude. Ok, lets go with that! OJ was a great dude, outside of a single indiscretion. Edited June 19, 2019 by TYSONKO1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: No, you are excusing Gronk. That is exactly what you’re doing... you are making an excuse for his abhorrent act, so you are excusing him. Calling it, the heat of the moment... kinda like a crime of passion. You’re making excuses for a scumbag who tried to deliberately end the career of a young player whose biggest fault that game was playing aggressive bump and run. You are making an excuse for him, admit it. Because that’s literally what you did... you made an excuse for why Gronks act wasn’t “that” bad. Gronk: 6’6” 280 Tre: 5’11” 190 Takes a big man to dive with all his body weight onto the back neck of a MUCH smaller rookie and try to cripple him. Gronk is a scumbag through and through. It wasn't pretty, but saying he tried to end a career is a little much. Sure he tried to f him up, but end his caree? Nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, jimmy10 said: $50k gift from a guy with that much money is what’s known as a “go away” gift. I will likewise nominate you to donate $50 or go away im not giving the guy the key to the city or throwing a parade but the dude just paid for a nurse for a year. Or some new equipment. To help sick kids in buffalo. Good for him and I’d gladly shake his hand and say thanks for it, despite his history playing football against Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 hours ago, The Senator said: So I take that had he broken White’s neck and left him in a Kevin Everett condition, Gronk would not be a great guy, but since White can still walk, Gronk’s a helluva great dude? Are you related to him? . I'm Puerto Rican. You're the Polish guy!! You're really reaching on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 5 hours ago, The Senator said: So $50K a “massive” donation? I think not. $50k / $53m in career earning = 1/10 of 1%. Nice donation and kudos to him, but yes, not close to "massive". I was expecting 10x that amount from the thread title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: No, you are excusing Gronk. That is exactly what you’re doing... you are making an excuse for his abhorrent act, so you are excusing him. Calling it, the heat of the moment... kinda like a crime of passion. You’re making excuses for a scumbag who tried to deliberately end the career of a young player whose biggest fault that game was playing aggressive bump and run. You are making an excuse for him, admit it. Because that’s literally what you did... you made an excuse for why Gronks act wasn’t “that” bad. Gronk: 6’6” 280 Tre: 5’11” 190 Takes a big man to dive with all his body weight onto the back neck of a MUCH smaller rookie and try to cripple him. Gronk is a scumbag through and through. I have a sneaking suspicion was that he was hoping tre would “feel it in the morning” not that he would never walk again. I could be waaaaay off base there but I think it was aggressively dumb more than anything deliberately career ending. That said, I doubt the kids at this hospital appreciate the gesture any less, and ultimately that’s what the thread might be best served to remember, instead of another tearing the dude down. Edited June 19, 2019 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: Hmmm, I guess you probably think OJ is great dude also, except for his one slip up. If someone actually believed that, then that person - hypothetically of course - would be an absolute moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Augie said: PLEASE, let us not denigrate a significant donation to a great cause. Is it what I would classify as “massive”? No, of course not. My wife lives in the world of large foundations and endowments. Nothing massive about this for someone of that wealth. But that takes ZERO away from what actually happened here. A guy who is leaving the only significant job he has ever known has just committed a large sum of money to a very good cause. I don’t care if it was $50, I welcome his contribution. Don’t lessen it because he has more money than most of us. . Who funded the Foundation? Was it your money? I’ll bet it was mostly money Gronk elected to funnel that way. Good for the hospital indeed, and I won’t discount his contribution in any way. Agreed. Props to Gronk. I really meant the criticism for the writer who called it a massive donation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: No, you are excusing Gronk. That is exactly what you’re doing... you are making an excuse for his abhorrent act, so you are excusing him. Calling it, the heat of the moment... kinda like a crime of passion. You’re making excuses for a scumbag who tried to deliberately end the career of a young player whose biggest fault that game was playing aggressive bump and run. You are making an excuse for him, admit it. Because that’s literally what you did... you made an excuse for why Gronks act wasn’t “that” bad. Gronk: 6’6” 280 Tre: 5’11” 190 Takes a big man to dive with all his body weight onto the back neck of a MUCH smaller rookie and try to cripple him. Gronk is a scumbag through and through. My goodness this is overly dramatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Is there someone here who thinks Gronkowski is pure evil? Is he a one-dimensional villain? Yeah, he has probably done some reasonably nice things....but overall, he is a douche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 7 hours ago, Gugny said: I mentioned it with a purpose; to point out that it was an isolated incident - which it was. And I will maintain, forever, that the worst part of that hit was White's teammates standing by and doing nothing - and never doing anything - in an effort to avenge him. Those standing around thought it was an “isolated incident” too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Chump change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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