Figster Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 30 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Again, I want to state I loved the Oliver pick and liked the Ford one. But man, trading up for this guy? Come on with the excuses. You shouldn’t have to make excuses for a 3rd round TE you trade up for. If he was so talented, why didn’t they try to get him the ball more? Especially After the DK injury? Also, with those 2 receivers, he had a lot of room to operate. There will be some TE with good measurables that you could get at the end of the draft. You could sign a basketball player and convert him. But we just got another whatever TE. I hope I’m wrong but if Butler goes before we pick again, I will again question this group’s ability to scout receivers. Safe to say, it’s been questionable at best. 1) Foster was at Alabama, not Bryant & Stattron 2) they cut Foster Fair points, I also found the pick a bit puzzling. Yo's observation on how this pick came about sounds reasonable so I'm reserving judgement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Fair points Doc and I hope you’re right. But 0 tds our of a 3rd round TE? After DK gets hurt? I really wanted a TE but I would have waited until later because there would be a good with good measurables available later. https://walterfootball.com/draft2019TE.php I'm not so much focused on the TD's just as I don't think that Singletary's TD's means he'll lead the NFL in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, twist_to_open said: I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but, if Tom Brady was so talented why didn't Michigan play him more instead of going with Henson? There are players that show talent and potential that may not have been on full display for four years but observate scouts see attributes that can be used to make their team better. 1) Henson was the number 1 recruit in the country 2) and Brady wasn’t Brady in college but I think his career was better than most people remembered. He played in 23 games his last 2 years. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tom-brady-1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: RB1 in a crowded group of "meh's"............I could easily see Singletary going 5th or even 6th round in a good RB draft. The draft isn't to be treated as a "one off" event IMO but an ongoing process of team building............reaching for need at a position of lesser value like RB catches up to you in subsequent years. Depends on how the player turns out. If he turns out to be a stud, he was well worth the pick. The question is whether they reached, but that's impossible to know since you don't know how other teams had a player rated and where he would have otherwise been taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Yeah, hard to understand his lack of production. Certainly couldn't have been on his QB: -Ball handling on RPOs is sluggish -Needs better field awareness pre-snap -Slow to recognize and counter blitz -Below-average escapability once rush gets to pocket -Sacks himself with indecisiveness -Pump-fake machine who struggles with anticipation -Pumps and staredown allow linemen to hone on batted passes -Runs receivers into big hits -Completed 44 percent of his passes with one touchdown and four interceptions against LSU, Alabama and Mississippi State 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Figster Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, hemma said: Yeah, hard to understand his lack of production. Certainly couldn't have been on his QB: -Ball handling on RPOs is sluggish -Needs better field awareness pre-snap -Slow to recognize and counter blitz -Below-average escapability once rush gets to pocket -Sacks himself with indecisiveness -Pump-fake machine who struggles with anticipation -Pumps and staredown allow linemen to hone on batted passes -Runs receivers into big hits -Completed 44 percent of his passes with one touchdown and four interceptions against LSU, Alabama and Mississippi State Well done Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash_Gash Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Knox getting alot of love from Pete prisco show gave it an A. Others have also. This is an interesting take.. https://mobile.twitter.com/JimNagy_SB/status/1122139898918707200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Just now, Bash_Gash said: Knox getting alot of love from Pete prisco show gave it an A. Others have also. This is an interesting take.. https://mobile.twitter.com/JimNagy_SB/status/1122139898918707200 Prisco is the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash_Gash Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Nagy an ESPN NFL analyst take DAY 2 TAKEAWAYS 1) @colts have the fastest and most athletic draft class so far. CB Ya-Sin, LBs Banogu and Okereke, and WR Campbell hugely upgrade the Colts team speed. 2) @buffalobills 3rd round TE Dawson Knox isn’t far off talent-wise from @lions No. 8 overall pick Hockenson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Depends on how the player turns out. If he turns out to be a stud, he was well worth the pick. The question is whether they reached, but that's impossible to know since you don't know how other teams had a player rated and where he would have otherwise been taken. If he doesn't play like Alvin Kamara or Kareem Hunt........other recent 3rd round picks...........then they probably should've just waited. That may seem lofty but "good" RB production is not hard to find. Singletary is the only RB I mocked to the Bills.......I thought he *could* surprise and be a top rotational RB....... but I wasn't touching a RB until late 4th round at the EARLIEST in this draft. I'd even have taken my chances not drafting one this year and having my choice of UDFA's because of the perceived vacancy for a "young" RB on the roster. If you believe Albright it seems like the Bills have the QB development process a bit backwards..........he said they want to try to ease Josh Allen along with a heavy run based attack. I don't like the sound of that.......it's very 1990's and muting to Josh Allen's LOUD skills...........the modern approach to boosting young QB's is to load up on matchup winning receiving targets like the Rams, Eagles, Bears, Chiefs...........who ALL then took young QB's to the playoffs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Will say again: TE with 0 TDs = reaching on a combine all star. RB with 66 TDs in 3 years = reaching on a stats guy who lacks the measurables. The cognitive dissonance on display is peak Bills fan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 He reminds me of Trey Burton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash_Gash Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Another take on Knox and bills draft https://mobile.twitter.com/NickMyers_/status/1121988205740478468 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: If he doesn't play like Alvin Kamara or Kareem Hunt........other recent 3rd round picks...........then they probably should've just waited. That may seem lofty but "good" RB production is not hard to find. Singletary is the only RB I mocked to the Bills.......I thought he *could* surprise and be a top rotational RB....... but I wasn't touching a RB until late 4th round at the EARLIEST in this draft. I'd even have taken my chances not drafting one this year and having my choice of UDFA's because of the perceived vacancy for a "young" RB on the roster. If you believe Albright it seems like the Bills have the QB development process a bit backwards..........he said they want to try to ease Josh Allen along with a heavy run based attack. I don't like the sound of that.......it's very 1990's and muting to Josh Allen's LOUD skills...........the modern approach to boosting young QB's is to load up on matchup winning receiving targets like the Rams, Eagles, Bears, Chiefs...........who ALL then took young QB's to the playoffs. Yup. The bar for a 3rd rb should be really high. It’s such an easy position to find. Tarik Cohen went late 4th. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 55 minutes ago, SCBills said: Oliver and Ford are homerun picks, IMO. Where they open themselves up to scrutiny is in the 3rd Round. They draft a RB, who lacks measurables, and give up both 4ths for a TE who is solely measurables. I think it’s fair to question those picks, especially given the uncertainty of our WR unit. Replace Singletary with a WR, and I don’t think anyone bats an eyelash at Knox and his insane potential. .....but the Singletary pick, even with his LeSean McCoy comps, has a lot of people with a bad 3rd Round taste in their mouth. That bad taste, I think carried over to Knox, because in a vacuum, I’m starting to love the Knox pick. Everyone should be loving the Knox pick. That's a good value at the end of the 3rd. Bills obviously liked him because they brought him in and went to his pro day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 One player on D, albeit he's a good one, 3 players on O. Time will tell If the players pan out, but the Buffalo Bills are clearly trying to do everything in their power to surround and support Buffalo's greatest asset. The QB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 I know Knox had 0 career TDs in College, but I'm here to reassure everyone that he knows the endzone whereabouts, here's the evidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 I also think the fact that he is a former quarterback helps. Receivers who are former quarterbacks, like Edelman, Hines Ward, Trey Burton, Travis Kelce, Jordan Reed and to a lesser extent David Sills, are just smarter playe because they look at coverages and make pre snap adjustments the same way a quarterback does. They put themselves in the best position for their QBs becuase they understand where they need to be. They aren't just big dumbasses who can run fast....but you do need some of those as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Bash_Gash said: Another take on Knox and bills draft https://mobile.twitter.com/NickMyers_/status/1121988205740478468 They love this pick. And actually the entire Bills draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Fixxxer said: I know Knox had 0 career TDs in College, but I'm here to reassure everyone that he knows the endzone whereabouts, here's the evidence. Those look like...TDs to me. Were they called back? Pre-season games? 9 minutes ago, akm0404 said: Are the Patriots as dumb as the Bills for spending a third round pick on a dime-a-dozen pick em up undrafted for a bag of peanuts running back, or is that developmental disability unique to the Bills? What if I told you they picked a freebie running back in the FIRST ROUND last year too?!? I was going to mention this. The Cheaters picked a RB in the 1st round last year and then another in the 3rd this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 16 minutes ago, akm0404 said: Will say again: TE with 0 TDs = reaching on a combine all star. RB with 66 TDs in 3 years = reaching on a stats guy who lacks the measurables. The cognitive dissonance on display is peak Bills fan. A+ marks for the 2017 pseudo-intellectual terminology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 maybe it was a two point convertion, I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 21 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: If he doesn't play like Alvin Kamara or Kareem Hunt........other recent 3rd round picks...........then they probably should've just waited. That may seem lofty but "good" RB production is not hard to find. Singletary is the only RB I mocked to the Bills.......I thought he *could* surprise and be a top rotational RB....... but I wasn't touching a RB until late 4th round at the EARLIEST in this draft. I'd even have taken my chances not drafting one this year and having my choice of UDFA's because of the perceived vacancy for a "young" RB on the roster. If you believe Albright it seems like the Bills have the QB development process a bit backwards..........he said they want to try to ease Josh Allen along with a heavy run based attack. I don't like the sound of that.......it's very 1990's and muting to Josh Allen's LOUD skills...........the modern approach to boosting young QB's is to load up on matchup winning receiving targets like the Rams, Eagles, Bears, Chiefs...........who ALL then took young QB's to the playoffs. Re: Singletary... Perhaps NE was taking him if we didn’t. They went Damien Harris right after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Knox has everything you would look for in a TE prospect in terms of both measurables and intangibles. Prototypical size, elite athleticism, a really good head on his shoulders (honour roll, double major), demonstrated ability as a receiver and blocker. The only thing he doesn't have is the production he would have had if he played at Iowa. He's only been a TE for 2 years but has shown that he is coachable - he made strides as a blocker last year, which suggests that he is capable of filling out the gaps in his game and grow into the position. Nothing not to like about this pick. You are rolling the dice on all but a few prospects. Knox is a good bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 11 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: I remember a fella named Maybin that had mediocre numbers in college. Wrong. Maybin put up fantastic numbers in his only year as a 19 year old starter. 12 sacks in 13 games. 20 tackles for loss. 3 forced fumbles and 3 PDs. And he didn't even start the first game or two. Those are great numbers. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Just now, SCBills said: Re: Singletary... Perhaps NE was taking him if we didn’t. They went Damien Harris right after. I like Singletary but if NE wanted to take him and it takes carries away from Sony Michel I wouldn't get in their way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 I am okay with the pick but having to use 2 picks instead of one hurts. If he doesn't work out it is twice as costly in lost opportunity. Gonna be tough watching the 4th round from the sideline. A lot of talent still out there, hope they can find a gem in the 5th. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-best-available-2019-nfl-draft-prospects Best remaining prospects according to pff team of analysts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Wrong. Maybin put up fantastic numbers in his only year as a 19 year old starter. 12 sacks in 13 games. 20 tackles for loss. 3 forced fumbles and 3 PDs. And he didn't even start the first game or two. Those are great numbers. Yeah but weren't many of his sacks against teams like Coastal Carolina and Youngstown State, or similar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, Fixxxer said: I know Knox had 0 career TDs in College, but I'm here to reassure everyone that he knows the endzone whereabouts, here's the evidence. What happened on these? Called back on penalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah but weren't many of his sacks against teams like Coastal Carolina and Youngstown State, or similar? Yep. Coastal Carolina (2), Temple (3) ans Syracuse (1) accounted for half of his 2008 season total. 2008 Game Logs Tackles Def Int Fumbles Rk Date School Opponent Solo Ast Tot Loss Sk Int Yds TD PD FR Yds TD FF 13 Games 30 19 49 20.0 12.0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 3 1 2008-08-30 Penn State Coastal Carolina W 4 1 5 2.0 2.0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 2 2008-09-06 Penn State Oregon State W 2 1 3 1.0 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 2008-09-13 Penn State @ Syracuse W 1 1 2 1.0 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 2008-09-20 Penn State Temple W 5 0 5 3.0 2.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 2008-09-27 Penn State Illinois W 2 5 7 1.0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 2008-10-04 Penn State @ Purdue W 1 0 1 1.0 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 2008-10-11 Penn State @ Wisconsin W 5 1 6 3.5 2.0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 2 8 2008-10-18 Penn State Michigan W 2 2 4 2.0 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 9 2008-10-25 Penn State @ Ohio State W 1 1 2 1.0 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 2008-11-08 Penn State @ Iowa L 1 0 1 1.0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 2008-11-15 Penn State Indiana W 2 3 5 1.0 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 2008-11-22 Penn State Michigan State W 1 3 4 1.5 0.0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 13 2009-01-01 Penn State @ Southern California* L 3 1 4 1.0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) Man, after watching his highlights, it makes me wonder why they didnt use him more... high points the ball, hand catcher, very smooth changing direction, and looks fast/agile. Maybe it’s like when LSU had Jarvis Landry, Odell Beckham, Jeremy Hill, and a couple other great players, yet only scored 14 points a game. I was concerned about the pick until I saw him move in the open field. Knox looks to have a LOT of potential. His build and the way he moves and catches reminds me of Zach Ertz. Edited April 27, 2019 by MakeBuffaloGreatAgain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 We knew the Bills were not going to draft 10 guys so I have no problem with packaging up some picks to land guys they felt really good about. He looks the part of a split wide TE so hopefully they hit on this pick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Sorry if already posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Why did a meh college program in turmoil not use their converted walk-on QB turned receiving TE enough? Good lesson on why matching college production to pro potential isn't always as easy as checking the box score. Some programs/systems just don't highlight certain positions or skill sets very well. See Michael Thomas in Urban Meyer's system as an extreme example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, akm0404 said: Why did a meh college program in turmoil not use their converted walk-on QB turned receiving TE enough? Good lesson on why matching college production to pro potential isn't always as easy as checking the box score. Some programs/systems just don't highlight certain positions or skill sets very well. See Michael Thomas in Urban Meyer's system as an extreme example. Thomas had 18 tds in his last two years in college. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Ole Miss needs to be investigated again for not using this guy more. His tape is filthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Averaged something like 3.5 catches for 50 or so yards a game in college. He does a bit better than that these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 minute ago, akm0404 said: Averaged something like 3.5 catches for 50 or so yards a game in college. He does a bit better than that these days. He had almost 800 yards and averaged like 14 yards per catch. He wasn’t Michael Thomas of the Saints but he was pretty good with some not great qb play. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/michael-thomas-3.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 35 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I also think the fact that he is a former quarterback helps. Receivers who are former quarterbacks, like Edelman, Hines Ward, Trey Burton, Travis Kelce, Jordan Reed and to a lesser extent David Sills, are just smarter playe because they look at coverages and make pre snap adjustments the same way a quarterback does. They put themselves in the best position for their QBs becuase they understand where they need to be. They aren't just big dumbasses who can run fast....but you do need some of those as well. I like the potential in Knox measurables but I see people saying he is "everything you want in a TE prospect"........and I am not sure he's really even a classic receiving TE. He is stiff as a board............I mean if there is tape on him where he turns his hips I haven't seen it..........he turns his entire body to get around to the ball and that effectively shortens his frame and arms as a target. The tape measure says he's got the minimum frame for a TE but he looks kinda' Hbacky due to that stiffness. Weird that he was a QB and doesn't seem to be able to rotate his hips. That will likely limit his catch radius sorta like it does for a guy like Nick O'Leary(Nick has short arms to boot so it's worse but you get the jist). That stiff back and core area might make him a stouter blocker though and it looked like Ole Miss liked to use him to lead block some so DiMarco might be out of work soon. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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