Bills new workout facility

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, dubs said:

 

I think it’s more the jump from something as benign and uncontroversial as the new training facility to making sure everyone knows that it doesn’t necessarily mean the the Pegulas or anyone else involved with the Bills has done anything to deserve credit because they haven’t won the super bowl and the Sabres suck, or something like that. That level of vigilance is, frankly, bizarre. 

 

 

13 combined full seasons of NFL/NHL ownership and just once qualified for the playoffs........otherwise almostly entirely last or second-to-last finishes in their respective divisions.......it's not that they haven't won titles it's that they haven't ever been in contention for one.       

 

Nobody says they aren't trying..........but as a product whose merit is judged almost entirely on wins and losses............theirs are fair game for criticism for the absence of success.

 

Sometimes it feels like I am arguing with a bunch of people who don't like the competitive nature of sports............like a bunch of soccer mom's that want to give out participation trophies before the season even starts and then hope for the best.    

[dubs]

9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

13 combined full seasons of NFL/NHL ownership and just once qualified for the playoffs........otherwise almostly entirely last or second-to-last finishes in their respective divisions.......it's not that they haven't won titles it's that they haven't ever been in contention for one.       

 

Nobody says they aren't trying..........but as a product whose merit is judged almost entirely on wins and losses............theirs are fair game for criticism for the absence of success.

 

Sometimes it feels like I am arguing with a bunch of people who don't like the competitive nature of sports............like a bunch of soccer mom's that want to give out participation trophies before the season even starts and then hope for the best.    

 

....In a thread about the new training facility.  ???‍♂️

[Happy Days Lois & Clark]

Do they have pemf/infrared/ion mats at the facility?

[NoSaint]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

13 combined full seasons of NFL/NHL ownership and just once qualified for the playoffs........otherwise almostly entirely last or second-to-last finishes in their respective divisions.......it's not that they haven't won titles it's that they haven't ever been in contention for one.       

 

Nobody says they aren't trying..........but as a product whose merit is judged almost entirely on wins and losses............theirs are fair game for criticism for the absence of success.

 

Sometimes it feels like I am arguing with a bunch of people who don't like the competitive nature of sports............like a bunch of soccer mom's that want to give out participation trophies before the season even starts and then hope for the best.    

 

After 20 years of this, I can’t fault anyone for not being familiar with what success looks like. Or looking forward to orange slices at half time.

[eball]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

13 combined full seasons of NFL/NHL ownership and just once qualified for the playoffs........otherwise almostly entirely last or second-to-last finishes in their respective divisions.......it's not that they haven't won titles it's that they haven't ever been in contention for one.       

 

Nobody says they aren't trying..........but as a product whose merit is judged almost entirely on wins and losses............theirs are fair game for criticism for the absence of success.

 

Sometimes it feels like I am arguing with a bunch of people who don't like the competitive nature of sports............like a bunch of soccer mom's that want to give out participation trophies before the season even starts and then hope for the best.    

 

No, you just like to hear yourself talk. ???

[BADOLBILZ]

18 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

After 20 years of this, I can’t fault anyone for not being familiar with what success looks like. Or looking forward to orange slices at half time.

 

Well OK........but it's not like Buffalo fans have to look far at the actual impact of such peripheral "value adds".

 

The Pegs spent a whole lot more $$$ on Harbor Center in an attempt to turn downtown Buffalo into a hockey Mecca...............and yet they have players leaving and excelling elsewhere and talking about how leaving that moribund Pegula organization has saved their careers.    They even had a player go AWOL this season..........apparently to get drunk with visiting friends.    I mean what kind of psychologist-to-player-ratio do you need in-house to field a competitive NHL hockey team 500 yards south of Canada?    

 

And at what point do you become the NFL equivalent of the University of Texas..........a place so comfortable for players that they have no edge?

 

It all seems like a good idea to give players a super comfy workplace..........but is it actually cart-before-horse thinking?

 

Ultimately you can spend all the cash you want on peripherals..........doesn't equate to W's if the football or hockey OP's isn't top quality and that starts with The Pegs decisions at the top.

26 minutes ago, eball said:

 

No, you just like to hear yourself talk. ???

 

 

Says the boozer with twice as many posts as I.

[Warcodered]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Well OK........but it's not like Buffalo fans have to look far at the actual impact of such peripheral "value adds".

 

The Pegs spent a whole lot more $$$ on Harbor Center in an attempt to turn downtown Buffalo into a hockey Mecca...............and yet they have players leaving and excelling elsewhere and talking about how leaving that moribund Pegula organization has saved their careers.    They even had a player go AWOL this season..........apparently to get drunk with visiting friends.    I mean what kind of psychologist-to-player-ratio do you need in-house to field a competitive NHL hockey team 500 yards south of Canada?    

 

And at what point do you become the NFL equivalent of the University of Texas..........a place so comfortable for players that they have no edge?

 

It all seems like a good idea to give players a super comfy workplace..........but is it actually cart-before-horse thinking?

 

Ultimately you can spend all the cash you want on peripherals..........doesn't equate to W's if the football or hockey OP's isn't top quality and that starts with The Pegs decisions at the top.

Right we need shittier facilities to keep a gritty edge to our players. I mean how can our players be at there best if they're not playing to get a job somewhere else.

Edited April 15, 2019 by Warcodered

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Right we need shittier facilities to keep a gritty edge to our players. I mean how can our players be at there best if they're not playing to get a job somewhere else.

 

It’s a tired act. But he’s consistent! 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

Right we need shittier facilities to keep a gritty edge to our players. I mean how can our players be at there best if they're not playing to get a job somewhere else.

 

 

Do you remember when Rex was hired and was FLOORED at the quality of the Bills training facility?

 

It's not like they had subpar facilities that were holding the team back.

 

All I am saying is MAYBE you should improve facilities to maintain a high quality status quo.........like Alabama..........rather than to try to elevate an underachieving program........like Texas.

 

The fact that The Pegs spent $200M and counting on Harbor Center and that team somehow actually got WORSE the past two seasons certainly suggests that throwing money at the problem hasn't worked.

 

The lesson is don't expect or assume results...........it could even be a disincentive for many.  

 

I do like the fact that McD is bringing in competition and I hope they use all 10 draft picks and that players have to FIGHT for the right to have a job with the cushy digs though...........so there is that aspect.    

 

 

[eball]

7 hours ago, Augie said:

 

It’s a tired act. But he’s consistent! 

 

He really is the proverbial broken clock.  He's right about twice a day, but unfortunately he keeps pontificating and "teaching" us all day long.

 

It's remarkable he has now arrived at the conclusion that the Pegulas should be criticized for making things too "comfy" for the Bills by investing in the facilities before they've won championships. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

18 hours ago, SWATeam said:

I simply joined in because I fear you are cruising past "beaten horse" territory and closing in on a crusade.  Anytime anyone posts anything positive on the Pegula's, Beane, or McD- you run in with your wet blanket.  I think we all understand your stance.

 

And I clearly said there is no way of knowing the direction.  Just that I'm hopeful.  Personally, for me, It's all about Josh Allen.  I was one of the few like liked him coming out of college, and I think he's a franchise guy.  If he is, is it crazy to think that we could compete as early as this year?  And for years to come?

 

Christ ...  how a thread about this shiny new toy went off the rails. 

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-expect-world-class-sports-performance-center-to-enhance-their-game

 

It was an investment that Terry and Kim Pegula committed to personally. In the wake of renovations and improvements to New Era Field, a redesign of the team’s locker room, training room and grass practice field expansion over the last few years, the most recent project by the owners of the Bills may prove to be the crown jewel of the enhancements at One Bills Drive.

 

[FeelingOnYouboty]

35 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-expect-world-class-sports-performance-center-to-enhance-their-game

 

It was an investment that Terry and Kim Pegula committed to personally. In the wake of renovations and improvements to New Era Field, a redesign of the team’s locker room, training room and grass practice field expansion over the last few years, the most recent project by the owners of the Bills may prove to be the crown jewel of the enhancements at One Bills Drive.

 

 

ooooooh that looks cool. 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

11 hours ago, eball said:

 

He really is the proverbial broken clock.  He's right about twice a day, but unfortunately he keeps pontificating and "teaching" us all day long.

 

It's remarkable he has now arrived at the conclusion that the Pegulas should be criticized for making things too "comfy" for the Bills by investing in the facilities before they've won championships. 

 

 

All I am saying is that they've spent $250M on facility improvements for their two teams in recent years and yet somehow the struggle is real on the field/ice..........the Sabres are practically at ground zero again on the destination scale.

 

As No Saint says.........some of you don't remember what success looks like.........your Lombardi trophy has an orange slice in place of the football.

 

But you are an expert on how training facilities will suddenly equate to results?   You, who haven't curled anything over 12 ounces since wine started coming in boxes?   The facilities the Bills had were not substandard.     It's generous of The Pegs but without some hardware at the entrance the place looks like it belongs in a shopping mall.    Could've renovated the Sears at Eastern Hills and had a batting cage and a bowling alley in the same wing!

[Warcodered]

20 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

All I am saying is that they've spent $250M on facility improvements for their two teams in recent years and yet somehow the struggle is real on the field/ice..........the Sabres are practically at ground zero again on the destination scale.

 

As No Saint says.........some of you don't remember what success looks like.........your Lombardi trophy has an orange slice in place of the football.

 

But you are an expert on how training facilities will suddenly equate to results?   You, who haven't curled anything over 12 ounces since wine started coming in boxes?   The facilities the Bills had were not substandard.     It's generous of The Pegs but without some hardware at the entrance the place looks like it belongs in a shopping mall.    Could've renovated the Sears at Eastern Hills and had a batting cage and a bowling alley in the same wing!

Who are you arguing this with? I don't think there is anyone on here that thinks that better facilities will magically make the Bills win. It's like you're having a phantom argument with some made up dumb guy.

 

I think a lot of people on here see this as a positive sign investing in the team is a good thing and that the facilities will help the players. But no one really thinks that facilities matter if you don't find the right guys and they don't put in enough work.

[Aussie Joe]

What’s wrong with being a boozer?

 

The term seems to be thrown around like it’s some type of insult..

 

 

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

Who are you arguing this with? I don't think there is anyone on here that thinks that better facilities will magically make the Bills win. It's like you're having a phantom argument with some made up dumb guy.

 

I think a lot of people on here see this as a positive sign investing in the team is a good thing and that the facilities will help the players. But no one really thinks that facilities matter if you don't find the right guys and they don't put in enough work.

 

 

If you are aware of eball's insatiable thirst for spirits the second line would have tipped you off that I was speaking directly to him.     That.......and of course the fact that his post was imbedded the reply.   That is usually a good indicator of who it was in response to.

 

But you clearly don't get the protocol here..........this is how it works:

 

1) I make an observation with a point and examples.

2) Emo fan responds and twists and exaggerates my take to make it sound unreasonable.

3) So I do likewise with theirs to illustrate that I understand how this goes.

4) Emo gets furious and other emo's jump in.

 

That's unfortunately the way it works when we can't discuss both sides of a topic rationally here.

 

Eball claims that I said "The Pegs should be criticized for making the facilities too comfy"..........I never said that.........I said they should be criticized for not having success on the field/ice.    

 

A sports organization is only as good as it's management.    Those people are always going to be more important than throwing money at the on field/on ice problem. 

[Happy Days Lois & Clark]

Do they have chi machines/vitality swings?

 

[BeginnersMind]

59 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

If you are aware of eball's insatiable thirst for spirits the second line would have tipped you off that I was speaking directly to him.     That.......and of course the fact that his post was imbedded the reply.   That is usually a good indicator of who it was in response to.

 

But you clearly don't get the protocol here..........this is how it works:

 

1) I make an observation with a point and examples.

2) Emo fan responds and twists and exaggerates my take to make it sound unreasonable.

3) So I do likewise with theirs to illustrate that I understand how this goes.

4) Emo gets furious and other emo's jump in.

 

That's unfortunately the way it works when we can't discuss both sides of a topic rationally here.

 

Eball claims that I said "The Pegs should be criticized for making the facilities too comfy"..........I never said that.........I said they should be criticized for not having success on the field/ice.    

 

A sports organization is only as good as it's management.    Those people are always going to be more important than throwing money at the on field/on ice problem. 

 

Open invite to PPP. It’s made for you man. 

[Warcodered]

47 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

If you are aware of eball's insatiable thirst for spirits the second line would have tipped you off that I was speaking directly to him.     That.......and of course the fact that his post was imbedded the reply.   That is usually a good indicator of who it was in response to.

 

But you clearly don't get the protocol here..........this is how it works:

Yeah I know I was more adressing the part of your post that was either addressing someone else(made up strawman) or was just arguing against something he didn't say. I mean where in this post does he say Better Facilities=wins?

13 hours ago, eball said:

 

He really is the proverbial broken clock.  He's right about twice a day, but unfortunately he keeps pontificating and "teaching" us all day long.

 

It's remarkable he has now arrived at the conclusion that the Pegulas should be criticized for making things too "comfy" for the Bills by investing in the facilities before they've won championships. 

 

58 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

1) I make an observation with a point and examples.

2) Emo fan responds and twists and exaggerates my take to make it sound unreasonable.

3) So I do likewise with theirs to illustrate that I understand how this goes.

4) Emo gets furious and other emo's jump in.

 

That's unfortunately the way it works when we can't discuss both sides of a topic rationally here.

Are you sure because it seems more like:

1.Something positive happens.

2.People are happy/excited about.

3.You come in and say how that one thing doesn't mean they'll win like it wasn't obvious and how things have been bad for so long.

And then you just keep arguing with people.

 

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Eball claims that I said "The Pegs should be criticized for making the facilities too comfy"..........I never said that.........I said they should be criticized for not having success on the field/ice.    

 

A sports organization is only as good as it's management.    Those people are always going to be more important than throwing money at the on field/on ice problem. 

This probably didn't help.

21 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

And at what point do you become the NFL equivalent of the University of Texas..........a place so comfortable for players that they have no edge?

 

It all seems like a good idea to give players a super comfy workplace..........but is it actually cart-before-horse thinking?

 

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

A sports organization is only as good as it's management.    Those people are always going to be more important than throwing money at the on field/on ice problem. 

Then what is your solution? Do you want them to fire Bean and McDermot? Do you want them to sell the team to someone with more football knowledge? What actual solution do you have to the thing you're complaining about.

[BADOLBILZ]

42 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Yeah I know I was more adressing the part of your post that was either addressing someone else(made up strawman) or was just arguing against something he didn't say. I mean where in this post does he say Better Facilities=wins?

 

Are you sure because it seems more like:

1.Something positive happens.

2.People are happy/excited about.

3.You come in and say how that one thing doesn't mean they'll win like it wasn't obvious and how things have been bad for so long.

And then you just keep arguing with people.

 

This probably didn't help.

 

Then what is your solution? Do you want them to fire Bean and McDermot? Do you want them to sell the team to someone with more football knowledge? What actual solution do you have to the thing you're complaining about.

 

 

The solution is The Pegs have to get better at the most important part of team ownership.......the winning.

 

All fans can do about it is have an opinion.

 

 You don't own the team.    And more broadly it says "Buffalo" in the name but it's not property of your area.   It's a privately owned multi-billion dollar mom and pop organization that's partnered up with 31 others in different towns.   That's the cold hard fact.    I'm cool with that........perhaps you need to suspend disbelief more and see The Pegs as infallible figures but I do not. 

 

The owners aren't going to get fired so you can't expect them to be as naturally reactive to their mistakes the way the employed McD and Beane have been(approx 1/4 of all HC are fired every year).   We have to hope for the best from them and their hires.    Hope and expect are not the same thing though.

 

Some of the better football organizations started out being run by bad football people.   The Steelers come to mind.  Art Rooney was a generous mess of a football man who ran a moribund franchise in Pittsburgh decades.........he was a blind squirrel who found a nut with Noll and Co. the same way Ralph did with Bill Polian........but his sons grew into great ownership and have sustained competitive football teams for decades since.    That's what you hope when you get ownership that aren't sports people by nature.

 

All we can do about it though is discuss it.   It's not off limits to be honest about the product they are putting out.   In fact that's the point of being here is to discuss the team.   

 

As for me just crapping on something positive happening..........no,  I responded to a poster who made a very broad statement about The Pegs............not specifically about the training facilities.    It's OK for people to be two different things............wanting to win and understanding how to win on the field of play are not the same thing.

Edited April 16, 2019 by BADOLBILZ

[Augie]

I see we are at it again tonight. I like differing opinions. Without them, it would be boring. It’s more about how one goes about it that matters. I’ve been told I’m a thin skinned, frail old man not capable of posting with the likes of some of you (OK, one of you).  Yet I didn’t have to block anyone, because I don’t really care what some people post. 

[PromoTheRobot]

When the Bills do win a title @BADOLBILZ can take the credit for not settling for mediocrity.

[BADOLBILZ]

15 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

When the Bills do win a title @BADOLBILZ can take the credit for not settling for mediocrity.

 

 

 

You LITERALLY just jumped into a thread to throw shade on Dion Dawkins on the first day of OTA's.    

 

You are hands down the Most Virulent Pessimist in the history of this board........best known as the guy who always finds a way to blame team failure on the fanbase he so despises........but also a sneaky player hater..........just generally the most negatively charged ion..........but I gotta' give much props to the man cave.

 

 

[BillsFan4]

15 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Christ ...  how a thread about this shiny new toy went off the rails. 

 

 

Right? 

 

I checked in because I wanted to see if there were any more pics posted of the new facility and had to scroll through 4 pages of whatever That was... 

 

lol

[eball]

On 4/14/2019 at 11:24 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Says the boozer with twice as many posts as I.

 

 

11 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

  You, who haven't curled anything over 12 ounces since wine started coming in boxes?   

 

 

10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

If you are aware of eball's insatiable thirst for spirits the second line would have tipped you off that I was speaking directly to him.    

 

 

I'm no moderator, but I do believe this is the definition of badgering a fellow poster for no good reason.  I mean, if you're going to continue to insult me at least be funny.

 

I'm really sorry that you are likely stuck in a dead-end job with no true authority or control, so you use this board as your way of being "the man" who tells everyone the way it is.  Pretty sad, dude.  Most of us are just here for a few laughs and to discuss the Bills.  I hope your crusade against the Pegulas works out for ya, sport.

 

 

Edited April 16, 2019 by eball

[Punching Bag]

On 4/12/2019 at 1:19 PM, Brian3488 said:

Man i would love to work there but I don't think they are hiring. I am a strength and condition coach, personal trainer and graduate in a year being doctorate of physical therapy. I want to run the program for the players.

 

Do what Beane did - be a unpaid intern for a year.

On 4/12/2019 at 5:23 PM, Jumpsuit Jim said:

If I remember the in depth Bills’ business plan that a previous poster slipped to me correctly, this renovation/construction is referred to as “Phase 1 Step 5: Moving To Batavia”.

 

That poster is in confinement with leroi if he has been taken out of solitary; he was making fraud calls on allowed calls.

[Punching Bag]

On 4/12/2019 at 5:30 PM, RussellDopeland said:

Looks impressive. They also added a new weight room off of the visitor's locker room (in keeping with it's league-wide rep):

 

 

 

They need to remodel it so they can hide the microphones like the P*ts.

On 4/12/2019 at 7:38 PM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

i heard they were moving to Letchworth

 

 

You are thinking of Leroi and his buddy in office.

[Punching Bag]

On 4/13/2019 at 7:39 AM, eball said:

 

Exactly.  The visitors locker room should be miserable.  It's called "home field advantage" for a reason.

 

Not entirely.  The new whiteboards are electronic and they can be copied remotely and projected elsewhere.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

This hyperbaric chamber is one of many recovery tools now available to the players in the Sports Performance Center.

 

 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

On 4/14/2019 at 10:35 PM, Superhero said:

Do they have pemf/infrared/ion mats at the facility?

If they do, I hope they are fastened down!

 

‘Loose mats sink careers!’

Edited April 16, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[teef]

so...looks pretty cool.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

   

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

43 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

   

 

 

 

From what I'm hearing is Pegula is making them soft with all of this.

I say let's compromise and keep the new facility but get a new team bus!

 

 

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

who needs hyperbaric and hyperbolic and cryogenic equipment.  

 

Break out the Richard Simmons: "Sweating to the Oldies" workout tape!!! 

[dollars 2 donuts]

50 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

who needs hyperbaric and hyperbolic and cryogenic equipment.  

 

Break out the Richard Simmons: "Sweating to the Oldies" workout tape!!! 

 

 

I don't have a link, but I also read that they have a new hyperbole chamber that is simply the best one that has ever existed.

[freddyjj]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

who needs hyperbaric and hyperbolic and cryogenic equipment.  

 

Break out the Richard Simmons: "Sweating to the Oldies" workout tape!!! 

only if the Richard Simmons shorts are banned

[HOUSE]

Very impressive BUT....still needs curtains

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

25 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Very impressive BUT....still needs curtains

get out of the 90's House 

 

They have this new invention  --   Window Glass Switches From Clear to Opaque with a touch 

[dollars 2 donuts]

One additional note that I hope doesn't get lost:

 

This is why I want my owner to be super rich.  

 

They are not going to make the same amount of money off this team the way other owners do with their teams, and therefore they are not going to have that extra income stream to pour back in the team.

 

Tired and gone are the days of having an owner (respectfully to hockey and Ralph) that has 80-90% of their worth tied up in the team.

 

I am likely in the minority, but I really don't want the Pegulas shelling out more than a billion dollars on a stadium...and then...well done, that's it, no more.  BTW, where is your $50,000 PSL Bills fans?

 

I'll always love this team, but maybe more importantly I want the players to love playing here and appreciate what they have because of the thought and care that went into the nice touches.

Edited April 16, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts