StHustle Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, Troll Toll said: As a player, I always thought those plays were the equivalent of a sucker punch or attacking someone from behind. No honor in those plays, glad to see them gone. It is in the same vein as laying out a defenseless receiver. There is just no need for those potentially life altering plays, let alone rewarding the players who prey on the defenseless. Not sure why its so hard for people to grasp this concept. Seems we are in the minority. Times change man...with all this CTE stuff becoming more and more clear, it amazes me that so many people still wanna see these unsafe plays for their entertainment. Football is still just as fun to watch to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Ramza86 said: If the block allows your player to continue to gain yards....im all for it. If you hit someone and he is nowhere around the ball...im ok with the flag. Like the one where Josh Rosen is scrambling and a defender is coming around his back....are you serious? You have to block that dude. excellent point 29 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said: I think we were just done a disservice. I'm guessing this play was chosen because a Patriots player was the victim. If you want to show the true quality of a McD coached player legally "blocking" the snot out of an opposing player I would have gone with Logan Thomas. Damn nice hit by a freight train!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, StHustle said: Not sure why its so hard for people to grasp this concept. Seems we are in the minority. Times change man...with all this CTE stuff becoming more and more clear, it amazes me that so many people still wanna see these unsafe plays for their entertainment. Football is still just as fun to watch to me. I bet if there was a study on those players you would find they commit higher rates of domestic abuse too. I just don’t get how anyone can laud those plays. There is no courage in them, they are gutless plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said: My son was knocked out on blindside block on a punt in a high school football game. The play resulted in him being life-flighted to a trauma center. Fortunately, other than a concussion, there was no other damage. Scariest moment of my life. I approve of the new rule. Sorry to hear about that. The rules for high school leagues are already different and should be. There are already pretty strict contact rules in place. It can be a dangerous situation. A lot of kids are new to the game, and are not sure what they should be doing. Even with the stricter rules. Plenty of guys coaching HS shouldn't be too, parents should feel right about a program and ask around first. It's a tough as a coach, but the NFL has been putting a lot of money into supporting HS football, drilling proper technique, money towards better equipment, and you will still have that kid that leads with the crown, gets his head bent and leaves your heart in your throat. Our league did not have any rules against cut blocks, but i would not let the boys use them...yeah, lets mangle some high school kids knees in front of his mom. Some other schools however, had the Neanderthal coaches who would cut our linemen constantly. Usually ended up with some kind of exchange if I could not get the refs to step in - usually they would if pointed out. Once in college and pros most of the athletes not named Alonzo should have a clue about what constitutes fast, hard play vs dangerous career-ending plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Troll Toll said: I bet if there was a study on those players you would find they commit higher rates of domestic abuse too. I just don’t get how anyone can laud those plays. There is no courage in them, they are gutless plays. I'm not a big fan of throwing out a theory as a fact and declaring that there needs to be a study to confirm the fact. You have no basis to make your claim about domestic abuse rates other so I wouldn't besmirch people as abusers. The plays in question were legal at the time. Now there will be just another judgement call for the refs to make. This never works out well. Look at the QB tackles last year. With the rule change, any forcible contact by the blocker with his head, shoulder or forearm is prohibited. I'm not convinced "forcible" will mean the same thing for every team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: In 5 years the players will be rolling around the field in a hamster ball. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 19 minutes ago, eball said: That actually looks like it might be fun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Mickey said: Had this rule been passed earlier, Aaron Williams might still be playing. that's not quite the same thing with a TE/WR trucking a DB.... and the O LIVES to knock the living pus out of a DB, just hoping to be able to get a full head of steam downfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) i think it already was illegal to make that block while heading back toward the line-of-scrimmage but that may not be true. We need to see the NFL video of legal blocks of a trailing defender although if the block is to the chest I do not know how it can be argued that the hit was "blindside." Here's one brought to my mind: Robert Woods on Poszlusny . Some discussion at the time that the hit needed to be low to be a "peelback block penalty" which it definitely was not. We always got the ""block made while heading toward the LOS" from game broadcasts but it would not surprise me if they got the rule wrong. It will probably be just another poorly designed rule that brings me to anger every time the officials misapply it. Then there's this one from last year: Tre White Prevents First Down Edited March 27, 2019 by JESSEFEFFER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said: I think we were just done a disservice. I'm guessing this play was chosen because a Patriots player was the victim. If you want to show the true quality of a McD coached player legally "blocking" the snot out of an opposing player I would have gone with Logan Thomas. Nice thing is, that would technically still be legal, under the new rule. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 A blindside block is very similar to clipping. No one thinks NFL players are pansies because clipping is not allowed, or chop blocks, or horse collar tackles or face masking. People who oppose this are just pretending they are internet tough guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 10 hours ago, uticaclub said: We're we penalized on this anyway? I thought there was a flag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, ROCBillsBeliever said: Nice thing is, that would technically still be legal, under the new rule. AWESOME!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 6 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: the wussification of the NFL. The most ‘wussified’ thing one can do in any contact sport is unload and blow up some dude that doesn’t see you. Real sportsmen want to look you in the eyes right before plowing a shoulder through your numbers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 16 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: The most ‘wussified’ thing one can do in any contact sport is unload and blow up some dude that doesn’t see you. Real sportsmen want to look you in the eyes right before plowing a shoulder through your numbers. As was stated .... Head on a Swivel. This is dangerous territory. How will this effect - Blindside hits on a QB ?? Many hits that cause fumbles are blindside hits. (if it hasn't already been said) I'll add ... Get your head in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: As was stated .... Head on a Swivel. This is dangerous territory. How will this effect - Blindside hits on a QB ?? Many hits that cause fumbles are blindside hits. (if it hasn't already been said) I'll add ... Get your head in the game. Get you point. It’s a slippery slope... If you’ve ever played any contact sport in your life, you know the difference between a good hit and a cheap shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Get you point. It’s a slippery slope... If you’ve ever played any contact sport in your life, you know the difference between a good hit and a cheap shot. If the guy being blind sided is not in a position to make a play then I agree it should be illegal but a well timed block could make or break a score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 47 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: If the guy being blind sided is not in a position to make a play then I agree it should be illegal but a well timed block could make or break a score Yep- but if they don’t see you, you don’t have to decapitate them... in those circumstances it doesn’t take much to take them out of the play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 21 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said: A blindside block is very similar to clipping. No one thinks NFL players are pansies because clipping is not allowed, or chop blocks, or horse collar tackles or face masking. People who oppose this are just pretending they are internet tough guys. on INTs and returns and blocked kicked and other non-normal plays, there are key vulnerable people out there and you can't go out and murder them unless they are legally hittable. a code is set up as well, which is highly enforced with twice the impunity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBillsFan Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 On 3/27/2019 at 1:44 AM, StHustle said: This move is a few years past due with all the player safety concerns in recent times. My only hope is our players make the adjustment quickly. We have the best returner in the league now and there are few things worse in a game than to have a long return called back. Of course, one of their precious Patriots got hurt... How about the illegal elbow drop during that game (I think) which only gave Gronk a game suspension. Guy should have been suspended for the season. How about Deflategate... And just because you win the following game, doesn't suddenly exonerate you from cheating the game before. OK, I'm done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 So are you not supposed to block people now, just like you're supposed to let a receiver catch the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc said: So are you not supposed to block people now, just like you're supposed to let a receiver catch the ball? If they don't legalize clipping and chop blocks, do we have the same problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: If they don't legalize clipping and chop blocks, do we have the same problem? Then remove tackling altogether since that leads to injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Wow. A penalty because guys aren't aware of their surroundings? Just go out there with horse blinders so you can draw a penalty every time you get blocked. I really don't like this. It's the defender's job to be aware. If you hit them in the head/neck area, sure it's a foul, but a clean hit on their body shouldn't ever be a foul. 6 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Yep- but if they don’t see you, you don’t have to decapitate them... in those circumstances it doesn’t take much to take them out of the play This rule doesn't take into account how vicious the hit is. ANY block, even if it is just a nudge, could potentially be called, which is a big problem to me. The defender just has to not be looking around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, MJS said: Wow. A penalty because guys aren't aware of their surroundings? Just go out there with horse blinders so you can draw a penalty every time you get blocked. I really don't like this. It's the defender's job to be aware. If you hit them in the head/neck area, sure it's a foul, but a clean hit on their body shouldn't ever be a foul. This rule doesn't take into account how vicious the hit is. ANY block, even if it is just a nudge, could potentially be called, which is a big problem to me. The defender just has to not be looking around. I see your point. Maybe the answer is something like; A fair independent review to take the on the spot judgment out of the game. Increase fines and suspension like with with other stuff. As as an example I see Poyer and Hyde let up and not kill a guy when when they could quite often. Still good safeties though. How is do you make that part of the sportsmanship around the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I see your point. Maybe the answer is something like; A fair independent review to take the on the spot judgment out of the game. Increase fines and suspension like with with other stuff. As as an example I see Poyer and Hyde let up and not kill a guy when when they could quite often. Still good safeties though. How is do you make that part of the sportsmanship around the game? The answer is to enforce the penalties for hits to the head / neck of the player. They also have an unnecessary roughness penalty that can be used to penalize any vicious, unnecessary hit. I don't think they need a new rule that takes good plays out of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Haushka was nowhere near the play - and these should always be illegal. Otherwise, block on! Defense players want to be the only ones dishing out punishment. As I recall, BLOCKING is one of the unique aspects of football in team sports... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 17 hours ago, Doc said: Then remove tackling altogether since that leads to injuries. You completely ignored the question. Presumably because you know you ar being ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel101 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Was the only thing I though Benjamin did worth while during his tenure here. Smh football is getting soft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 What do you coach your players to do now? Sort of just run into the player with your chest? Extend two hands out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 42 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: You completely ignored the question. Presumably because you know you ar being ridiculous Not ridiculous at all. That's the way it's going, chief. Just now, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: What do you coach your players to do now? Sort of just run into the player with your chest? Extend two hands out? Don't be ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Just now, Doc said: Don't be ridiculous. Not ridiculous at all Doc. It is an honest question. Players are still going to have to block in this situation where they find themselves peeling back towards their goaline. So how do they do that? Why wouldn't throwing a chest block or hand block work? It appears legal under the rules and won't be as forceful as launching your head, shoulder or forearm. Receivers use two hands two block all the time off the line of scrimmage. Why wouldn't they use two hands two block in this situation? Do you have a better blocking alternative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 32 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Not ridiculous at all Doc. It is an honest question. Players are still going to have to block in this situation where they find themselves peeling back towards their goaline. So how do they do that? Why wouldn't throwing a chest block or hand block work? It appears legal under the rules and won't be as forceful as launching your head, shoulder or forearm. Receivers use two hands two block all the time off the line of scrimmage. Why wouldn't they use two hands two block in this situation? Do you have a better blocking alternative? I was being facetious. I basically proposed the same thing earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: I was being facetious. I basically proposed the same thing earlier. My bad. I missed that so my sarcasm meter was not properly calibrated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Terrible rule change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
familykwi Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 On 3/27/2019 at 2:06 AM, Inigo Montoya said: "Gather 'round fellas, I want to introduce you to our new blocking coach, Master Po." That's not Po... THAT's Po! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 These hits should not be illegal. If the tackler doesn't wanna get blocked then he should pay attention to where he is running and not just staring at the ball carrier. It's as simple as that. And that last one they used as an example isn't even blindside. That block was directly in front of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOKIE Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Blind my ass. The blocks I saw in that video were front on. Just because you dont see it coming does not mean you shouldn't. I get the safety thing but Cmon man! Does every hard hit have to be a foul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 On 3/27/2019 at 10:43 AM, ShadyBillsFan said: excellent point Damn nice hit by a freight train!!!! It truly was a great hit but one that will most likely be a penalty now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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