billsfan_34 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 21 hours ago, Bangarang said: Like I said, he probably would have been charged already if there was anything to this. It doesn’t take days to investigate something like this. Either there are elements of the crime or not. Sometimes it does when you are lawyered up and have loads of cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 21 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Roger The CBA don’t care about charges. fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Bangarang said: Pardon? In my country it's proper to say pardon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, billsfan_34 said: Sometimes it does when you are lawyered up and have loads of cash. We’re not exactly dealing with a white collar crime here. An assault charge, at least here in NY, doesn’t take days to investigate. If there is a crime and a victim that wants to pursue charges then it happens pretty quickly. Every department and state can be different I guess. Still, if there was something to pursue then experience tells me it would have already happened. Edited March 16, 2019 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 40 minutes ago, Bangarang said: We’re not exactly dealing with a white collar crime here. An assault charge, at least here in NY, doesn’t take days to investigate. If there is a crime and a victim that wants to pursue charges then it happens pretty quickly. Every department and state can be different I guess. Still, if there was something to pursue then experience tells me it would have already happened. Maybe nothing is sticking then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Maybe nothing is sticking then? From what is being reported, Hill’s name wasn’t even listed on the report. Take that for what it’s worth I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 5 hours ago, Bangarang said: Pardon? If they don't charge him in 10 minutes they never will? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Just now, 4merper4mer said: If they don't charge him in 10 minutes they never will? Is that what I said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 On March 15, 2019 at 5:06 PM, Bangarang said: I’m assuming he would have been charged already if there was anything to this. Yup. That's what you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Yup. That's what you said. Try again Edited March 16, 2019 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: Try again I was actually trying to cut you a little slack because you didn't say he wouldn't be charged.....you said he didn't do it. As an FYI, there are things called "investigations", typically done by "investigators". They ordinarily take some time. Interestingly they are not done in public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Yup. That's what you said. It's down to nine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 If this is true he is done.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: I was actually trying to cut you a little slack because you didn't say he wouldn't be charged.....you said he didn't do it. Do you have reading comprehension problems? Where did I say he didn’t do it? 5 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: As an FYI, there are things called "investigations", typically done by "investigators". They ordinarily take some time. Interestingly they are not done in public. Considering criminal investigations is what I do for a living, I have a pretty solid grasp of how they work. Maybe you can tell me more though? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Just now, Bangarang said: Do you have reading comprehension problems? Where did I say he didn’t do it? Considering criminal investigations is what I do for a living, I have a pretty solid grasp of how they work. Maybe you can tell me more though? You said there is probably nothing to it because he hasn't been charged. Can you elaborate or will you just continue making statements and not explaining them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: You said there is probably nothing to it because he hasn't been charged. Can you elaborate or will you just continue making statements and not explaining them? I’ll give you an example of how things work in NY and hopefully that will help clarify things. if a victim is claiming he/she was assaulted, there is evidence of such and he/she wants to pursue charges, then we get a location for the suspect and attempt to take them into custody right then as there. If we are unable to locate the person then we immediately secure a warrant for their arrest. Since there hasn’t been a report of any charges or a warrant then the chances of either happening 3 days after the initial report are slim. But again, this is all based on how things work in NY. Missouri could be different but I would imagine if there was enough to charge someone then it would have happened already. There very well could be a lack of evidence to support such a charge or a lack of cooperation from the victim. Edited March 16, 2019 by Bangarang 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Just now, Bangarang said: I’ll give you an example of how things work in NY and hopefully that will help clarify things. if a victim is claiming he/she was assaulted, there is evidence of such and he/she wants to pursue charges, then we get a location for the suspect and attempt to take them into custody. If we are unable to locate the person then we immediately secure a warrant out for their arrest. Since there hasn’t been a report of any charges or a warrant then the chances of either happening 3 days after the initial report are slim. But again, this is all based on how things work in NY. Missouri could be different but I would imagine if there was enough to charge someone then it would have happened already. There very well could be a lack of evidence to support such a charge or a lack of cooperation from the victim. He deserves his due diligence. His history doesn't stop early judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bangarang said: I’ll give you an example of how things work in NY and hopefully that will help clarify things. if a victim is claiming he/she was assaulted, there is evidence of such and he/she wants to pursue charges, then we get a location for the suspect and attempt to take them into custody right then as there. If we are unable to locate the person then we immediately secure a warrant for their arrest. Since there hasn’t been a report of any charges or a warrant then the chances of either happening 3 days after the initial report are slim. But again, this is all based on how things work in NY. Missouri could be different but I would imagine if there was enough to charge someone then it would have happened already. There very well could be a lack of evidence to support such a charge or a lack of cooperation from the victim. Let me ask you something. How would this change, if at all, if this were Star QB or Star WR on the Bills. And not in the theoretical world but in the real world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Let the police do their work. I understand it's a massage board and people want to express opinions but doing so without any info is a waste of time. If he did this he'll get arrested and my hope is he never plays again. Beating up a little kid is inexcusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Let me ask you something. How would this change, if at all, if this were Star QB or Star WR on the Bills. And not in the theoretical world but in the real world? It doesn’t change anything. We don’t hold off on charging someone because of their social status. If a victim wants to pursue charges then we are obligated to act. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Let the police do their work. I understand it's a massage board and people want to express opinions but doing so without any info is a waste of time. If he did this he'll get arrested and my hope is he never plays again. Beating up a little kid is inexcusable. You mixed the place up with where Kraft went. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: I’ll give you an example of how things work in NY and hopefully that will help clarify things. if a victim is claiming he/she was assaulted, there is evidence of such and he/she wants to pursue charges, then we get a location for the suspect and attempt to take them into custody right then as there. If we are unable to locate the person then we immediately secure a warrant for their arrest. Since there hasn’t been a report of any charges or a warrant then the chances of either happening 3 days after the initial report are slim. But again, this is all based on how things work in NY. Missouri could be different but I would imagine if there was enough to charge someone then it would have happened already. There very well could be a lack of evidence to support such a charge or a lack of cooperation from the victim. In this case the victim is a 4-5 year old kid who either has a broken arm or doesn't. That must change things somewhat, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Limeaid said: You mixed the place up with where Kraft went. Yes let’s get this story back on the front page. Cheating piece of ***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Bangarang said: From what is being reported, Hill’s name wasn’t even listed on the report. Take that for what it’s worth I guess. If its true thats a big deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: In this case the victim is a 4-5 year old kid who either has a broken arm or doesn't. That must change things somewhat, no? Not necessarily. You would still interview the related parties to figure out what happened. The only thing that gets added is a call to Child Protective Services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 14 hours ago, Bangarang said: I’ll give you an example of how things work in NY and hopefully that will help clarify things. if a victim is claiming he/she was assaulted, there is evidence of such and he/she wants to pursue charges, then we get a location for the suspect and attempt to take them into custody right then as there. If we are unable to locate the person then we immediately secure a warrant for their arrest. Since there hasn’t been a report of any charges or a warrant then the chances of either happening 3 days after the initial report are slim. But again, this is all based on how things work in NY. Missouri could be different but I would imagine if there was enough to charge someone then it would have happened already. There very well could be a lack of evidence to support such a charge or a lack of cooperation from the victim. I will not disagree with any of this - it sounds about right, but also does not sound like it matches this case. A couple of additional questions to mirror it more to this. First - you say above if he/she wants to pursue charges - how does it change if there is potential evidence of abuse, but they do not want to pursue charges. Remember- this is now the third incident with this woman and man and she has not pursued charges yet and there was overwhelming evidence when she was pregnant that he beat the crap out of her, but she never pressed charges and now has married him. Second - he was named in an incident with the child very recently, but the spouse did not want to pursue things and now another incident occurs and the spouse again is not pursuing it - Does that not mean that Child Services will get involved and begin investigating the incidents? Because it is a minor - can Child Services bring charges if after investigation they determine child abuse was occurring. To me this is the step we are in. The spouse/mother is not going to press charges as is obvious by this being the third known instance of them having to get police involved with signs of injury, but she has not pressed charges yet. Therefore the police saw potential signs of abuse and have referred it to the Child Services team to investigate and determine the fate. How quickly this all goes depends upon the level of cooperation from the family, friends, and others involved. I think you are correct in that if she had wanted to press charges and the police left without naming him or taking him into custody- there would be little to the story, but it changes if she does not want to press charges and then tries to protect him when the police arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 48 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: I will not disagree with any of this - it sounds about right, but also does not sound like it matches this case. A couple of additional questions to mirror it more to this. First - you say above if he/she wants to pursue charges - how does it change if there is potential evidence of abuse, but they do not want to pursue charges. Remember- this is now the third incident with this woman and man and she has not pursued charges yet and there was overwhelming evidence when she was pregnant that he beat the crap out of her, but she never pressed charges and now has married him. Second - he was named in an incident with the child very recently, but the spouse did not want to pursue things and now another incident occurs and the spouse again is not pursuing it - Does that not mean that Child Services will get involved and begin investigating the incidents? Because it is a minor - can Child Services bring charges if after investigation they determine child abuse was occurring. To me this is the step we are in. The spouse/mother is not going to press charges as is obvious by this being the third known instance of them having to get police involved with signs of injury, but she has not pressed charges yet. Therefore the police saw potential signs of abuse and have referred it to the Child Services team to investigate and determine the fate. How quickly this all goes depends upon the level of cooperation from the family, friends, and others involved. I think you are correct in that if she had wanted to press charges and the police left without naming him or taking him into custody- there would be little to the story, but it changes if she does not want to press charges and then tries to protect him when the police arrive. We can do an evidence based prosecution where if the charges are serious enough then we can still pursue them even if the victim doesnt want us to. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 13 hours ago, Limeaid said: You mixed the place up with where Kraft went. ...damn you're quick!.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...damn you're quick!.... You gotta be for $79 per hour? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 49 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: You gotta be for $79 per hour? ...so Kraft got an AARP discount???..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...so Kraft got an AARP discount???..... Isn't it funny how billionaires seem to get all the discounts? Probably got a tax credit as well lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Just now, BuffAlone said: Isn't it funny how billionaires seem to get all the discounts? Probably got a tax credit as well lol ...prolly had a "coopin" too....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...prolly had a "coopin" too....... 2 for 1? He was seen there more than once lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2019 Author Share Posted March 17, 2019 23 hours ago, Bangarang said: It doesn’t change anything. We don’t hold off on charging someone because of their social status. If a victim wants to pursue charges then we are obligated to act. Kelly didn't ask you the right question, what if it's Ko Simpson? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 On 3/16/2019 at 5:29 PM, Bangarang said: From what is being reported, Hill’s name wasn’t even listed on the report. Take that for what it’s worth I guess. But all is important is what press puts in headlines, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Pretty comprehensive breakdown here from SI https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/03/18/tyreek-hill-investigation-kansas-city-chiefs-wr-faces-cloud-of-uncertainty A Cloud of Uncertainty Hovers Over Tyreek Hill, Chiefs in Ongoing Investigation The absence of charges does not mean that someone or multiple persons won’t be charged. In fact, under Kansas law, there is a five-year statute of limitations for battery and other crimes. Still, it would be speculative to assume that Hill will be charged, just as it would be speculative to assume that he’ll be cleared. The truthful answer is we don’t know what happened and we don’t know what will happen going forward. Law enforcement need not rush to charge Hill or anyone else, particularly if they have encountered any conflicting evidence or other uncertainties about the case. Kansas DCF will act with haste, though, if children under Hill and Espinal’s care are in danger. Both police and child protective services will try to determine where and when the injury occurred, who was around the three-year old boy at the time of his injury (or injuries) and whether Hill or Espinal sought medical services for their injured son—and if not, why didn’t they. The investigation will include witness interviews and requests, if not warrants, for physical evidence, including emails and texts. It’s also not clear, at least based on the wording of the incident reports, which person or persons called the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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whatdrought Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Dang... Easily one of the best players in the NFL, says a lot about his troubles if they would think of moving him... I wouldn't be shocked to see them take Hollywood Brown if he's there at 29... Also, I wonder if people have learned their lesson about questioning Glazers hunches and insider knowledge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Dang... Easily one of the best players in the NFL, says a lot about his troubles if they would think of moving him... I wouldn't be shocked to see them take Hollywood Brown if he's there at 29... Also, I wonder if people have learned their lesson about questioning Glazers hunches and insider knowledge... One of the main reasons I posted it was Glazer... he’s the goat on this stuff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Dang... Easily one of the best players in the NFL, says a lot about his troubles if they would think of moving him... I wouldn't be shocked to see them take Hollywood Brown if he's there at 29... Also, I wonder if people have learned their lesson about questioning Glazers hunches and insider knowledge... I wouldnt hate a trade back and Bills selection of him and the best D lineman with whatever the tradeback brought, or pull a tre Ed move up. He’s small but speed, RAC and tracking look nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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