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4 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

Maybe nothing is sticking then?

 

From what is being reported, Hill’s name wasn’t even listed on the report. Take that for what it’s worth I guess.

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5 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

Pardon?

If they don't charge him in 10 minutes they never will?

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Just now, 4merper4mer said:

If they don't charge him in 10 minutes they never will?

 

Is that what I said?

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On March 15, 2019 at 5:06 PM, Bangarang said:

I’m assuming he would have been charged already if there was anything to this.

Yup.  That's what you said.

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3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Yup.  That's what you said.

 

Try again

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1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

 

Try again

I was actually trying to cut you a little slack because you didn't say he wouldn't be charged.....you said he didn't do it.

 

As an FYI, there are things called "investigations", typically done by "investigators".  They ordinarily take some time.  Interestingly they are not done in public.

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5 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

I was actually trying to cut you a little slack because you didn't say he wouldn't be charged.....you said he didn't do it.

 

Do you have reading comprehension problems? Where did I say he didn’t do it? 

 

5 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

 

As an FYI, there are things called "investigations", typically done by "investigators".  They ordinarily take some time.  Interestingly they are not done in public.

 

Considering criminal investigations is what I do for a living, I have a pretty solid grasp of how they work. Maybe you can tell me more though?

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Just now, Bangarang said:

 

Do you have reading comprehension problems? Where did I say he didn’t do it? 

 

 

Considering criminal investigations is what I do for a living, I have a pretty solid grasp of how they work. Maybe you can tell me more though?

You said there is probably nothing to it because he hasn't been charged.  Can you elaborate or will you just continue making statements and not explaining them?

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9 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

You said there is probably nothing to it because he hasn't been charged.  Can you elaborate or will you just continue making statements and not explaining them?

 

I’ll give you an example of how things work in NY and hopefully that will help clarify things.

 

if a victim is claiming he/she was assaulted, there is evidence of such and he/she wants to pursue charges, then we get a location for the suspect and attempt to take them into custody right then as there. If we are unable to locate the person then we immediately secure a warrant for their arrest.

 

Since there hasn’t been a report of any charges or a warrant then the chances of either happening 3 days after the initial report are slim.

 

But again, this is all based on how things work in NY. Missouri could be different but I would imagine if there was enough to charge someone then it would have happened already. There very well could be a lack of evidence to support such a charge or a lack of cooperation from the victim. 

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Just now, Bangarang said:

 

I’ll give you an example of how things work in NY and hopefully that will help clarify things.

 

if a victim is claiming he/she was assaulted, there is evidence of such and he/she wants to pursue charges, then we get a location for the suspect and attempt to take them into custody. If we are unable to locate the person then we immediately secure a warrant out for their arrest.

 

Since there hasn’t been a report of any charges or a warrant then the chances of either happening 3 days after the initial report are slim.

 

But again, this is all based on how things work in NY. Missouri could be different but I would imagine if there was enough to charge someone then it would have happened already. There very well could be a lack of evidence to support such a charge or a lack of cooperation from the victim. 

 

He deserves his due diligence. His history doesn't stop early judgement.

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4 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

I’ll give you an example of how things work in NY and hopefully that will help clarify things.

 

if a victim is claiming he/she was assaulted, there is evidence of such and he/she wants to pursue charges, then we get a location for the suspect and attempt to take them into custody right then as there. If we are unable to locate the person then we immediately secure a warrant for their arrest.

 

Since there hasn’t been a report of any charges or a warrant then the chances of either happening 3 days after the initial report are slim.

 

But again, this is all based on how things work in NY. Missouri could be different but I would imagine if there was enough to charge someone then it would have happened already. There very well could be a lack of evidence to support such a charge or a lack of cooperation from the victim. 

Let me ask you something. How would this change, if at all, if this were Star QB or Star WR on the Bills. And not in the theoretical world but in the real world?

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Let the police do their work.  I understand it's a massage board and people want to express opinions but doing so without any info is a waste of time.  If he did this he'll get arrested and my hope is he never plays again.  Beating up a little kid is inexcusable.

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14 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Let me ask you something. How would this change, if at all, if this were Star QB or Star WR on the Bills. And not in the theoretical world but in the real world?

 

It doesn’t change anything. We don’t hold off on charging someone because of their social status. If a victim wants to pursue charges then we are obligated to act.

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1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Let the police do their work.  I understand it's a massage board and people want to express opinions but doing so without any info is a waste of time.  If he did this he'll get arrested and my hope is he never plays again.  Beating up a little kid is inexcusable.

 

You mixed the place up with where Kraft went.  :D

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1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

 

I’ll give you an example of how things work in NY and hopefully that will help clarify things.

 

if a victim is claiming he/she was assaulted, there is evidence of such and he/she wants to pursue charges, then we get a location for the suspect and attempt to take them into custody right then as there. If we are unable to locate the person then we immediately secure a warrant for their arrest.

 

Since there hasn’t been a report of any charges or a warrant then the chances of either happening 3 days after the initial report are slim.

 

But again, this is all based on how things work in NY. Missouri could be different but I would imagine if there was enough to charge someone then it would have happened already. There very well could be a lack of evidence to support such a charge or a lack of cooperation from the victim. 

In this case the victim is a 4-5 year old kid who either has a broken arm or doesn't.  That must change things somewhat, no?

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3 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

You mixed the place up with where Kraft went.  :D

Yes let’s get this story back on the front page.  Cheating piece of *****

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3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

From what is being reported, Hill’s name wasn’t even listed on the report. Take that for what it’s worth I guess.

If its true thats a big deal

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1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

In this case the victim is a 4-5 year old kid who either has a broken arm or doesn't.  That must change things somewhat, no?

 

Not necessarily. You would still interview the related parties to figure out what happened. The only thing that gets added is a call to Child Protective Services.

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14 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

I’ll give you an example of how things work in NY and hopefully that will help clarify things.

 

if a victim is claiming he/she was assaulted, there is evidence of such and he/she wants to pursue charges, then we get a location for the suspect and attempt to take them into custody right then as there. If we are unable to locate the person then we immediately secure a warrant for their arrest.

 

Since there hasn’t been a report of any charges or a warrant then the chances of either happening 3 days after the initial report are slim.

 

But again, this is all based on how things work in NY. Missouri could be different but I would imagine if there was enough to charge someone then it would have happened already. There very well could be a lack of evidence to support such a charge or a lack of cooperation from the victim. 

 

I will not disagree with any of this - it sounds about right, but also does not sound like it matches this case.  A couple of additional questions to mirror it more to this.

 

First - you say above if he/she wants to pursue charges - how does it change if there is potential evidence of abuse, but they do not want to pursue charges.  Remember- this is now the third incident with this woman and man and she has not pursued charges yet and there was overwhelming evidence when she was pregnant that he beat the crap out of her, but she never pressed charges and now has married him.  

 

Second - he was named in an incident with the child very recently, but the spouse did not want to pursue things and now another incident occurs and the spouse again is not pursuing it - Does that not mean that Child Services will get involved and begin investigating the incidents?  Because it is a minor - can Child Services bring charges if after investigation they determine child abuse was occurring.  

 

To me this is the step we are in.  The spouse/mother is not going to press charges as is obvious by this being the third known instance of them having to get police involved with signs of injury, but she has not pressed charges yet.  Therefore the police saw potential signs of abuse and have referred it to the Child Services team to investigate and determine the fate.  How quickly this all goes depends upon the level of cooperation from the family, friends, and others involved.

 

I think you are correct in that if she had wanted to press charges and the police left without naming him or taking him into custody- there would be little to the story, but it changes if she does not want to press charges and then tries to protect him when the police arrive.

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48 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I will not disagree with any of this - it sounds about right, but also does not sound like it matches this case.  A couple of additional questions to mirror it more to this.

 

First - you say above if he/she wants to pursue charges - how does it change if there is potential evidence of abuse, but they do not want to pursue charges.  Remember- this is now the third incident with this woman and man and she has not pursued charges yet and there was overwhelming evidence when she was pregnant that he beat the crap out of her, but she never pressed charges and now has married him.  

 

Second - he was named in an incident with the child very recently, but the spouse did not want to pursue things and now another incident occurs and the spouse again is not pursuing it - Does that not mean that Child Services will get involved and begin investigating the incidents?  Because it is a minor - can Child Services bring charges if after investigation they determine child abuse was occurring.  

 

To me this is the step we are in.  The spouse/mother is not going to press charges as is obvious by this being the third known instance of them having to get police involved with signs of injury, but she has not pressed charges yet.  Therefore the police saw potential signs of abuse and have referred it to the Child Services team to investigate and determine the fate.  How quickly this all goes depends upon the level of cooperation from the family, friends, and others involved.

 

I think you are correct in that if she had wanted to press charges and the police left without naming him or taking him into custody- there would be little to the story, but it changes if she does not want to press charges and then tries to protect him when the police arrive.

 

We can do an evidence based prosecution where if the charges are serious enough then we can still pursue them even if the victim doesnt want us to.

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13 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

You mixed the place up with where Kraft went.  :D

 

...damn you're quick!....:thumbsup:

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3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...damn you're quick!....:thumbsup:

You gotta be for $79 per hour😂

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49 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

You gotta be for $79 per hour😂

 

...so Kraft got an AARP discount???.....

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