Le’Veon Bell Signinig With the Jets

[Doc]

Life's a gamble.

[FLFan]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

Life's a gamble.

I thought life was a carnival? 

[Doc]

15 minutes ago, FLFan said:

I thought life was a carnival? 

 

Box of chocolates?

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

Does that necessarily make it harder on the offensive line? Genuine question. Watching Bell run seems like the DL have to stay very disciplined and see where the gaps are growing.. looks like it has an element of pass blocking to it.

 

I just watched a video analysis of his running style in a Steelers Bills game. He obviously hits the hole hard when he has it. But he had a lot of chunk yardage plays where he intentionally lets the protection break down while he pivots to a good spot to counter over aggressive defenders.

 

Be interesting how his style works with a crap OL. He obviously benefits as much as anyone from a good push. But it'd be scary if he's more independent from weak OL play than most RBs.

 

I bet this is true.  He's patient, but not a tap dancer back there.  Then he's a bull going forward.

 

These stats are becoming silly:  a difference of 0.3 seconds for a RB behind the line of scrimmage is kind of a silly thing for these people to be tweeting out.  It's not like QB release time.

[Man with No Name]

On 3/13/2019 at 11:45 AM, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

This article is a pretty good feel good piece.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2019/3/13/18263367/leveon-bell-new-york-jets-gamble-new-contract-steelers-holdout

 

Tldr: he got what he wanted. And he will be ridiculed for not getting all the money he could have. But he burned his own money willingly and did it for a reason. It's his money to earn and lose.

 

Really no reason for ripping him over what any financial advisor will recommend to someone in a very precarious profession. Sorry Bell is fiscally responsible. Or that that seems to irk people for some dumb reason.

 

I see zero character problems with what went down. How many rookie holdouts do we see over the most frivolous things? Like Joey Bosa with the Chargers. This held much more weight

 

thanks for that. a good read. I'll be the first one to criticize a greedy player. this just never felt like that to me. good for bell. though I hope he gets eaten up the next few years while he enjoys that money!

[Buffalo Barbarian]

6 hours ago, Doc said:

Life's a gamble.

 

Sometimes but he made a uneducated decision.

 

RBs are easy to find so thinking your are going to set the market at 20 million is delusional.

 

Being a me first player who had the whole team turn against him doesnt make other teams want you.

 

Losing guaranteed 14.5 because of sitting out and never will be regained.

 

 

[BringBackOrton]

On 3/13/2019 at 11:45 AM, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

This article is a pretty good feel good piece.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2019/3/13/18263367/leveon-bell-new-york-jets-gamble-new-contract-steelers-holdout

 

Tldr: he got what he wanted. And he will be ridiculed for not getting all the money he could have. But he burned his own money willingly and did it for a reason. It's his money to earn and lose.

 

Really no reason for ripping him over what any financial advisor will recommend to someone in a very precarious profession. Sorry Bell is fiscally responsible. Or that that seems to irk people for some dumb reason.

 

I see zero character problems with what went down. How many rookie holdouts do we see over the most frivolous things? Like Joey Bosa with the Chargers. This held much more weight

 

2018 season - "Bell is holding out for the best financial decision possible!"  

 

2019 season - "Even though he lost money, it's his to lose!"

 

Face facts.  Bell and his agent blew it, like most of us said he would when this saga started.  This backtracking, "maybe he just didn't want to play for the Steelers!" is nonsense.  

[BillsFan4]

It looks like the Bell/Bills stuff was nothing more than rumors. I don’t think the Bills were ever actually in on Bell.

 

There’s this -

 

 

 

and then there is this -

 

https://theathletic.com/870418/2019/03/15/it-takes-a-village-behind-the-scenes-of-bills-free-agency-with-brandon-beane/

Quote

There will always be conversations about the players who didn’t come in. After the Bills were tied to Antonio Brown, Le’Veon Bell’s name also emerged, but there was nothing to those rumors.

(Subscription required for article)

 

 

Its from a “behind the scenes in free agency” article that Matthew Fairborn wrote, with a lot of direct quotes from Beane and lots of info on how Beane and his staff handled free agency. So I would have to imagine that Bell info is coming directly from Beane. 

[FearLess Price]

On 3/13/2019 at 10:24 PM, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

Does that necessarily make it harder on the offensive line? Genuine question. Watching Bell run seems like the DL have to stay very disciplined and see where the gaps are growing.. looks like it has an element of pass blocking to it.

 

I just watched a video analysis of his running style in a Steelers Bills game. He obviously hits the hole hard when he has it. But he had a lot of chunk yardage plays where he intentionally lets the protection break down while he pivots to a good spot to counter over aggressive defenders.

 

Be interesting how his style works with a crap OL. He obviously benefits as much as anyone from a good push. But it'd be scary if he's more independent from weak OL play than most RBs.

 

 

This is a great post my ninja.

 

Thats a hell of an observation. All those factors are gonna change things. Its not like plug n play with his running style. Hopefully it works for us cuz i didnt wanna see levonn bell twice a year with a growing Sam darnold.  We better start looking for an anti-bell.  Like Mack vs Rogders in the NFCN

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

On 3/14/2019 at 10:19 AM, FLFan said:

I thought life was a carnival? 

Two bits a shot

[RaoulDuke79]

On 3/13/2019 at 8:35 AM, Captain Hindsight said:

Jets got a good player. Watched him play for Pittsburgh a few years ago in Buffalo and I couldnt believe how patient he was. I worry far more about his receiving skills than his running to be honest, but the Jets got a good player

I get a kick out of how everyone praises him for being a patient RB. The only thing that means is that the o-line is doing their job to open up gaps and giving the RB time. We'll see how patient he is when his line is getting blown up.

[Bing Bong]

On 3/14/2019 at 2:14 PM, BringBackOrton said:

2018 season - "Bell is holding out for the best financial decision possible!"  

 

2019 season - "Even though he lost money, it's his to lose!"

 

Face facts.  Bell and his agent blew it, like most of us said he would when this saga started.  This backtracking, "maybe he just didn't want to play for the Steelers!" is nonsense.  

Cool. The article mentions as much. He ultimately lost money he can never get, the article just shows the silver lining.

 

At the end of the day who the hell cares. You can rejoice that he blew it and lost millions (weird), you can feel sorry for him (no one's forcing you to pity a millionaire). Ultimately the Jets got a bargain deal which ain't good for us.

 

I don't like the character assassination is all. If the worst thing he's done is hold out for guaranteed money, which every athlete does and is entitled to do, what's the character problem he's shown as a teammate?

[NoHuddleKelly12]

26 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

Cool. The article mentions as much. He ultimately lost money he can never get, the article just shows the silver lining.

 

At the end of the day who the hell cares. You can rejoice that he blew it and lost millions (weird), you can feel sorry for him (no one's forcing you to pity a millionaire). Ultimately the Jets got a bargain deal which ain't good for us.

 

I don't like the character assassination is all. If the worst thing he's done is hold out for guaranteed money, which every athlete does and is entitled to do, what's the character problem he's shown as a teammate?

Until Darnold proves he can take over a game, I'm not afraid to hope the Bills just stack the box and focus on shutting Bell down. Plus it looks like their O-line is shaping up to take a step backwards this year, which can only help us in this overall regard as well. Bell will not be running behind the same type of line he had in Pittsburgh, that's for sure. 

[Bing Bong]

On 3/16/2019 at 6:34 AM, RaoulDuke79 said:

I get a kick out of how everyone praises him for being a patient RB. The only thing that means is that the o-line is doing their job to open up gaps and giving the RB time. We'll see how patient he is when his line is getting blown up.

Being patient is another way to say he has good ball carrier vision. He's willing to wait for a better to hole if it opens up. He's sort of the opposite Trent Richardson who had the dumbest RB IQ I've ever seen and couldn't run straight through a gaping hole. The OL is doing a bang up job, while Bell brings his own talent to the table by utilizing that. Can't fault an RB for using vision and a strong OL to take a few extra seconds to find the best hole. 

 

We'll see how much better he can do with a crap OL, I've posited that good RB vision makes him less dependent on strong OL play, but we ultimately don't know. His patience people bring up refers to his willingness to counter overaggressive defenders - he let's them make the first move and lose their gap discipline. But he also hits the hole when it's available just like any other one cut runner. His best strength as a RB is his balance and IQ. I don't think he'll have the opportunities to take the liberties he had with the Steelers OL to wait as long behind the LOS. But he ultimately could be less OL dependent than other RBs. That's my guess.

Edited March 18, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[HuSeYiN_NYC]

3 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Until Darnold proves he can take over a game, I'm not afraid to hope the Bills just stack the box and focus on shutting Bell down. Plus it looks like their O-line is shaping up to take a step backwards this year, which can only help us in this overall regard as well. Bell will not be running behind the same type of line he had in Pittsburgh, that's for sure. 

 

When have the Bills ever stacked the box? Don't get me wrong, I love our defense but we disguise a lot and blitz way less than any other team I care to watch on Sundays...

[Bing Bong]

14 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Until Darnold proves he can take over a game, I'm not afraid to hope the Bills just stack the box and focus on shutting Bell down. Plus it looks like their O-line is shaping up to take a step backwards this year, which can only help us in this overall regard as well. Bell will not be running behind the same type of line he had in Pittsburgh, that's for sure. 

Nope, he most likely won't be. I'm interested to see how he's utilized in the passing game. He's a QB's perfect safety blanket. Heck he could split out wide and probably be the Jets best wideout too.

 

Guy's a swiss army knife and probably the best skill position player all around that can line up virtually anywhere. I'd say him and Christian McCaffrey are unique tools in the NFL in that they play the RB position but can be utilized anywhere on the field. They're the RB version of what Gronk used to bring to the table for the Pats at TE. There's probably a few more RBs that operate this way but Bell and McCaffrey are the best ones that come to mind. They make the position much more flexible for an offenses than you typically see.

 

I don't think as highly of Darnold as others around here seem to do. So many picks, the guy looks Winston-esque. So I'm really not especially worried. He did play well in the Bills loss to the Jets after a rough start though. I'd rather have Baker then Josh Allen as of now.. and I'd like to have a stronger verdict on Lamar Jackson, but he could be the dark horse to pass Darnold as top 3 QBs in that draft based on his ceiling as he develops. 

Edited March 18, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[BringBackOrton]

39 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

Cool. The article mentions as much. He ultimately lost money he can never get, the article just shows the silver lining.

 

At the end of the day who the hell cares. You can rejoice that he blew it and lost millions (weird), you can feel sorry for him (no one's forcing you to pity a millionaire). Ultimately the Jets got a bargain deal which ain't good for us.

 

I don't like the character assassination is all. If the worst thing he's done is hold out for guaranteed money, which every athlete does and is entitled to do, what's the character problem he's shown as a teammate?

I’m not rejoicing about anything. Bell was just wrong and was proven wrong, and the people who defended him were also wrong.

[Bing Bong]

27 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

I’m not rejoicing about anything. Bell was just wrong and was proven wrong, and the people who defended him were also wrong.

Sure. But going from defending his negotiation to saying it was his money to lose is clearly a concession statement. I'm generally getting the vibe from pro Bell people of "well that sucked".  Again.. the article makes this very clear lol

 

Not to make any excuses or start an argument.. because ultimately he should have signed the tag week 10: but the state of that lockerroom and the teammates, especially the OL making the comments about him is a pretty scary situation for an RB to hear what his big protection fellas think about his holdout. In the OL's defense, Bell was never forthcoming about what his plans were. But regardless former players were pretty shocked at the statements they made. It's pretty unprecedented for players not to support their teammates in a holdout

 

I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during that decision. There's no way his agent wasn't begging him to sign by week 10 and he definitely made a hasty last minute decision not to take that much guaranteed money for a few games presumably as a backup

Edited March 18, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[Watkins101]

I wouldn't have minded a heavily incentive laden contract for bell. Cheap if unproductive, quite costly if he played at an elite level.

[Bing Bong]

1 hour ago, Watkins101 said:

I wouldn't have minded a heavily incentive laden contract for bell. Cheap if unproductive, quite costly if he played at an elite level.

I'm sure teams offered him contracts like that.. but the RB is last position to accept such an incentive contract. This is likely his last big deal, he's proven he's great, can take the heaviest 400 carry workload in the league with minimal injury history. Todd Gurley would be more appropriate for that kind of incentives if he was a FA today knowing what we know now

 

Gronk took an incentive like that to basically insure against him being as injury prone, as he's likely to get the 10+ TD requirement for sure provided he plays the full season.

 

Teams really don't have the bargaining position for that. Especially if the offense already suck balls and are essentially asking a player to flip their offensive production to be playoff caliber due to a single player.. his incentive in that case oughta be astronomical if they're asking him to exceed any RBs reasonable value.

 

Only incentive I can see as fair to put on the table is regarding Bell's drug suspension history.. which Jets probably did.. I don't really know. But he wouldn't go to the Bills is his incentive was based on turning them a 180 offensively if the base contract isn't in the ball park he's been asking for guaranteed and the incentives aren't astronomically high haha.

 

Like if David Johnson/Shady proved an All-Pro player can regress behind a crap OL, it feels pretty unreasonable to say "we'll only pay you XYZ if you're the rushing leader next year.. cause we have zero expectations you meet it with the stacked boxes and poor OL you'll be working with"

 

Just out of curiosity, what incentives would you think are fair? 900 yards rushing? I'd gamble on that. Sounds like you're talking about graded production for salary. That's fair so long as you're giving the appropriate guaranteed money RBs need more than other positions

 

Some sort of incentive that asks you to get 200 more yards than what your last primary RB made is fair. Just some sort of precondition you're getting a significantly better rusher.. all things otherwise equal.

 

I want to be an NFL agent now. I'd love bargaining with GMs haha. New dream job

Edited March 18, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[BringBackOrton]

1 hour ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

Sure. But going from defending his negotiation to saying it was his money to lose is clearly a concession statement. I'm generally getting the vibe from pro Bell people of "well that sucked".  Again.. the article makes this very clear lol

 

Not to make any excuses or start an argument.. because ultimately he should have signed the tag week 10: but the state of that lockerroom and the teammates, especially the OL making the comments about him is a pretty scary situation for an RB to hear what his big protection fellas think about his holdout. In the OL's defense, Bell was never forthcoming about what his plans were. But regardless former players were pretty shocked at the statements they made. It's pretty unprecedented for players not to support their teammates in a holdout

 

I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during that decision. There's no way his agent wasn't begging him to sign by week 10 and he definitely made a hasty last minute decision not to take that much guaranteed money for a few games presumably as a backup

It is interesting.  Perhaps the players felt they were owed an explanation that never came.

 

Locker room's have funny dynamics.  Some players say "get your money," others players get mad when a player holds out.  

 

I would the NFL player population isn't that dissimilar to the fan reactions we see here..  

[Bing Bong]

46 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

It is interesting.  Perhaps the players felt they were owed an explanation that never came.

 

Locker room's have funny dynamics.  Some players say "get your money," others players get mad when a player holds out.  

 

I would the NFL player population isn't that dissimilar to the fan reactions we see here..  

I'd think the same thing myself. But I've heard so many former players coming out and saying they'd never be disgruntled over a teammate in hold-out. And they found this situation so strange.

 

Granted, 1) these players are from a different era 2) they're on a TV with likely an agenda they may not have felt in their playing days, and 3) the former players on TV ARE the successful players getting the most money in their locker room.

 

But even with that grain of salt, I did find it strange how genuinely baffled the guys were. Many seemed to be speaking from sincerity rather than coming off as giving typical TV analyst shtick. Ryan Clark in particular who is from that locker room, has been VERY critical of Antonio Brown (I think he let's his personal beef show) and various other Steelers, was confused himself over how the events unfolded. He did mention Bell not being forthcoming would rub a locker room the wrong way: so long as he gives them a clear time table, doesn't make promises he later doesn't keep, Clark thought the locker room would have been more supportive. Regardless he said leaders like him, Hines Ward, and Troy Polamalu would have kept the younger players in check to keep the team united.

 

Like Bell at one point insisted he'd show up for week 1, then later after the bye week, and he changed his mind at the last minute apparently both times. Did the same thing week 10 when that was the last deadline. That's the one thing that would be tough to swallow. You're told by and expecting your star RB to show up, and he doesn't keep his word. If he simply told you he won't play until week 10, you swallow the pill, maybe support him more instead of feeling like the guy's just yanking your chain getting your hopes up and crushing them every time he tells you he'll join your squad.

Edited March 18, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[Mr. WEO]

Good summary here:

 

https://deadspin.com/did-leveon-bell-make-the-right-decision-1833381292

 

"Yes, he secured more full guarantees than any non-rookie running back. But Bell also left a lot of money on the table—money he was very, very, very likely to earn had he taken the Steelers’ offer, and money that ironically went straight back into the Steelers’ pockets."

 

"Bell essentially paid $19 million to gain an additional $7 million in full guarantees."

[Mark Long Beach]

22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Good summary here:

 

https://deadspin.com/did-leveon-bell-make-the-right-decision-1833381292

 

"Yes, he secured more full guarantees than any non-rookie running back. But Bell also left a lot of money on the table—money he was very, very, very likely to earn had he taken the Steelers’ offer, and money that ironically went straight back into the Steelers’ pockets."

 

"Bell essentially paid $19 million to gain an additional $7 million in full guarantees."

 

Yep, assuming he didn't get hurt he would have earned it.  But it's his body he's risking every time he goes out to play, so if he wants more guarantees...  I find it a little hard to condemn him for it.

Edited March 25, 2019 by Mark Long Beach

[Mr. WEO]

22 minutes ago, Mark Long Beach said:

 

Yep, assuming he didn't get hurt he would have earned it.  But it's his body he's risking every time he goes out to play, so if he wants more guarantees...  I find it a little hard to condemn him for it.

 

If that was true every player would do the same.  Every player signs a contract assuming they will play through the entire contract.  

 

By not taking a fully guaranteed year last season and by taking this deal,  if he plays now and gets hurt,  he will have played for less money than if he had taken the Steelers offer.  Read the article. 

Edited March 25, 2019 by Mr. WEO

[BillsFan4]

On 3/18/2019 at 12:14 PM, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

Cool. The article mentions as much. He ultimately lost money he can never get, the article just shows the silver lining.

 

At the end of the day who the hell cares. You can rejoice that he blew it and lost millions (weird), you can feel sorry for him (no one's forcing you to pity a millionaire). Ultimately the Jets got a bargain deal which ain't good for us.

 

I don't like the character assassination is all. If the worst thing he's done is hold out for guaranteed money, which every athlete does and is entitled to do, what's the character problem he's shown as a teammate?

 

Bargain deal compared to the $17M per year he was supposedly looking for?

Yes, I’d agree. 

 

But a bargain deal overall? I definitely wouldn’t call it that. (IMO anyway)

 

 

He has the 2nd highest RB contract/cap hit in the NFL, and the most fully guaranteed money (at the time of signing) of any RB. 

 

His cap hit is a reasonable $8.5M this year, but after that it’s -

 

$15.5M in 2020

$13.5M in 2021

$15.5M in 2022

 

 

Thats not exactly what I’d call a bargain deal. 

 

[YoloinOhio]

Leveon, my wayward son. 

 

 

Btw “Le’veon, My Wayward Son” was the name of my fantasy team the year I drafted him #1 overall 

[Logic]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Leveon, my wayward son. 

 

 

Paying as big a contract as the Jets did for ANY running back is silly. Ditto for an off-ball linebacker like CJ Moseley. But then, when your GM is on his last legs and needs to make big splashy moves to save his ass, this is what happens.

Bell had absolutely NO part in the Jets' jersey unveiling, which you would hope a guy you're paying this much money to would be involved in. Now he skips voluntary mini-camp. Does this say "all in" to anyone else? Is this the type of guy that it seems logical to pay a big contract to? Is this the example you want to set for the rest of your locker room, as far as who gets rewarded with big money (a guy like Bell) and who doesn't (a guy like Mitch Morse).

I know I sound like a broken record, but McCagnan is a terrible GM, and the Jets will be firing him within the next couple of seasons. I don't like the Gase signing, either, which is to say that the current direction of the Jets has me pretty happy, as a Bills fan.

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, Logic said:

Paying as big a contract as the Jets did for ANY running back is silly. Ditto for an off-ball linebacker like CJ Moseley. But then, when your GM is on his last legs and needs to make big splashy moves to save his ass, this is what happens.

Bell had absolutely NO part in the Jets' jersey unveiling, which you would hope a guy you're paying this much money to would be involved in. Now he skips voluntary mini-camp. Does this say "all in" to anyone else? Is this the type of guy that it seems logical to pay a big contract to? Is this the example you want to set for the rest of your locker room, as far as who gets rewarded with big money (a guy like Bell) and who doesn't (a guy like Mitch Morse).

I know I sound like a broken record, but McCagnan is a terrible GM, and the Jets will be firing him within the next couple of seasons. I don't like the Gase signing, either, which is to say that the current direction of the Jets has me pretty happy, as a Bills fan.

And when the GM is canned Gase will go with him. 

 

On a side note, I hope Greggo sees Gase pretend to be writing notes on the sideline during the game like he did in Miami...

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said:

And when the GM is canned Gase will go with him. 

 

On a side note, I hope Greggo sees Gase pretend to be writing notes on the sideline during the game like he did in Miami...

Omg omg I forgot about that. Just spit out my coffee. 

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Omg omg I forgot about that. Just spit out my coffee. 

 

Never forget!

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Paying as big a contract as the Jets did for ANY running back is silly. Ditto for an off-ball linebacker like CJ Moseley. But then, when your GM is on his last legs and needs to make big splashy moves to save his ass, this is what happens.

Bell had absolutely NO part in the Jets' jersey unveiling, which you would hope a guy you're paying this much money to would be involved in. Now he skips voluntary mini-camp. Does this say "all in" to anyone else? Is this the type of guy that it seems logical to pay a big contract to? Is this the example you want to set for the rest of your locker room, as far as who gets rewarded with big money (a guy like Bell) and who doesn't (a guy like Mitch Morse).

I know I sound like a broken record, but McCagnan is a terrible GM, and the Jets will be firing him within the next couple of seasons. I don't like the Gase signing, either, which is to say that the current direction of the Jets has me pretty happy, as a Bills fan.

 

...sure as hell hope Woody keeps them both around for 10 years.....let them do as much damage as possible......and then some......I like their capabilities......

[Toesy]

IMO Bell is one of the all time top RBs ability wise but his motivation is questionable which is always a problem when you give a guy the monster money-it could work out great for the Jets or terrible depending on how motivated the guy is now that he is so wealthy.

[YoloinOhio]

Poor Manish 

 

 

[Bleedingreennc]

44 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Poor Manish 

 

 

Oh no!!! He didn’t show up to voluntary mini camp, whatever will we do?

[aceman_16]

11 minutes ago, Bleedingreennc said:

Oh no!!! He didn’t show up to voluntary mini camp, whatever will we do?

Hope he doesn't become a malcontent. Nearly EVERY new player with a high-end contract (such as his) shows up for these things for his team to demonstrate he is a team player and that he is "all in". Moreover, deny it all you want.... at a minimum it is a bad look and a minor distraction and at it's worse it is a sign of a cancer in the locker room. Good luck regardless - I will grab my popcorn and watch the Jests' dysfunction from here.

[YoloinOhio]

21 minutes ago, Bleedingreennc said:

Oh no!!! He didn’t show up to voluntary mini camp, whatever will we do?

Justify it all you want. It looks bad. Period. Is it meaningful? Maybe, maybe not. But he’s hella tone deaf. 

[Reed83HOF]

21 minutes ago, Bleedingreennc said:

Oh no!!! He didn’t show up to voluntary mini camp, whatever will we do?

 

For the contract he signed, he's a leader and a leader would be there. It's disappointing, you would think he would want to start off on the right foot with his new teammates

 

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Justify it all you want. But he’s hella tone deaf. 

What does this have to do with his rap album?

[Bleedingreennc]

3 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

For the contract he signed, he's a leader and a leader would be there. It's disappointing, you would think he would want to start off on the right foot with his new teammates

 

What does this have to do with his rap album?

I see what you are saying, shows the type of character he has. For the record, I wasn’t in the group of fans that was in favor of chasing him this off season. We got him and it is what it is, I know he won’t be the same player he was with the Steelers due to the fact that we don’t have an offensive line on their level. I just hope he helps Sams development. 

Edited April 24, 2019 by Bleedingreennc

[Toesy]

It must be very frustrating dealing with some of these athletically talented morons-somehow the guy can't comprehend that part of the deal for all that money was showing up for stuff like this even if he thinks it is a waste of his time-he is being paid big money to set an example.