Antonio Brown trade may be happening today, announcing team soon: UPDATE: TRADED to Raiders

[BADOLBILZ]

6 minutes ago, dezertbill said:

My take is the Raiders were working with the Raiders and Bills, among others for a deal.

 

IMO the Bills offered greater than the 3rd and 5th the Raiders paid.  The Steelers wanted to take the Bills deal, but Brown stated he wouldn't play in Buffalo.

 

So the Steelers used Rap Sheet to put out a report that Brown was on the verge of getting traded to Buffalo in order for the Raiders to raise their offer, even though the Steelers and Bills had known at that point that Brown wouldn't go to Buffalo. 

 

It ended up blowing up in their face.  Within a few hours Brown reacted with Fake news.  Beane said there were "positive talks" but no deal could be reached, most likely cuz Brown didn't want to play in Buffalo.  So they had a small window to try and ramp up the Raiders offer, and it didn't work.  So they settled for a 3rd and 5th, since at that point the Raiders were most likely bidding against themselves.  

 

 

Vic says the Bills didn't want to re-do his deal.........at least to the extent Brown wanted.

 

It's possible that the Bills were afraid of the precedent of giving another player a double dip contract like The Pegs/Rex/Whaley did with Shady...........but if that's the case that was short sighted of them.

 

The bottom line is that the Steelers made a bad decision putting all of the guarantees on the front side of AB's deal...............it left them vulnerable to this whole saga...........if teams keep doing that they need to understand that great players will take advantage of those situations.        

[ngbills]

2 minutes ago, billspro said:

 

Brandon Beane didn’t want to pay that contact imo. Brown probably didn’t want to come here either. Flashy moves like that have a very low success rate. This team will still be set up for the playoffs this year without Brown. Just be patient it is going to be a good offseason. 

I hope its him not wanting to play here. If it was that kind of money that turned Beane off then he has problems. I could see if it was a 5 year + deal and $100M or something. 3 yr and $50M is nothing. 

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

We can't predict the future so we don't know if the Bills are better long term without him.  But they're not worse: they're just the same.  IMHO if they had added him, he'd have been a locker room cancer

 

What they need to do is build up the OL, draft a WR, and develop their own Antonio Brown: Robert Foster.

 

 

Yeah, his Dallas stats extrapolated over a full season are 1,288 yards and 11 TDs.

 

When as AB ever had reports of being a locker room cancer over his past year in the NFL. Except in the ONE year he was trying to get a new deal and BOOM all these team reports of a Cancer. 

[BuffAlone]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

This would be the perfect time to pay a WR $16-17M for 3 years. We have a QB on his rookie deal so have the space. Develop a young WR and let AB walk in 3 years. In a few years if Allen pans out he is getting $20M+ per and then you will have a hard time paying a WR. 

Why would you pay 17M a year for a WR when Josh Allen, along with most of the roster, are not in position to contend for SB's at this stage? We might be legit and consistent contenders in 2-3 years, when AB's contract would expire. So, pay that money just to let him mentor young receivers? And give up draft picks to boot? It was gonna be one or the other IMO. Big $, or Big draft picks. We aren't in position to do both and expect Big results. Therefore, I'm happy Beane looked into it, and content with him walking away

[Doc]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

When as AB ever had reports of being a locker room cancer over his past year in the NFL. Except in the ONE year he was trying to get a new deal and BOOM all these team reports of a Cancer. 

 

That's all it takes.  He didn't have to be a douchebag about it.

[ngbills]

6 minutes ago, The Senator said:

 

So Beane should not have even kicked the tires to establish the parameters of a possible trade?  

 

Now THAT’S truly absurd!

 

He never wanted it in the media, because he knew this nonsense would ensue - but Rappaport cared more about breaking the story first than getting the story right.

 

Why don’t you wait and see what else Beane does on the trade and Free Agency fronts?  He may surprise you with some super talent of high character.

.

 

 

You dont need to "kick the tires" to know he would get paid that kind of money. His current contract was already a 4/$68M deal. He would be completely out of touch with reality if he thought he could get him and pay him peanuts. That is living in lala land. 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

When as AB ever had reports of being a locker room cancer over his past year in the NFL. Except in the ONE year he was trying to get a new deal and BOOM all these team reports of a Cancer. 

 

Its been rumored for a while and plenty of former players came out and said he was the most selfish, egocentric person they’ve ever come across. 

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

Why would you pay 17M a year for a WR when Josh Allen, along with most of the roster, are not in position to contend for SB's at this stage? We might be legit and consistent contenders in 2-3 years, when AB's contract would expire. So, pay that money just to let him mentor young receivers? And give up draft picks to boot? It was gonna be one or the other IMO. Big $, or Big draft picks. We aren't in position to do both and expect Big results. Therefore, I'm happy Beane looked into it, and content with him walking away

 

Yup.  Kick the tires, see if AB would play under his old contract or with a slight bump, and if not, thanks but no thanks.  And the Raiders won't be contending anytime within the next 3 years.

[GETTOTHE50]

9 hours ago, White Linen said:

 

What?  There's no way he's making that money back.  You obviously don't know the numbers.

 

Huh? He still kept his value and is going to be the highest paid running back this year. Smart move on his end for not risking an injury. Are you stupid? 

 

[BuffAlone]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Yup.  Kick the tires, see if AB would play under his old contract or with a slight bump, and if not, thanks but no thanks.  And the Raiders won't be contending anytime within the next 3 years.

Agreed. It didn't hurt to explore it. It didn't hurt to miss out on it

[ngbills]

6 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

Why would you pay 17M a year for a WR when Josh Allen, along with most of the roster, are not in position to contend for SB's at this stage? We might be legit and consistent contenders in 2-3 years, when AB's contract would expire. So, pay that money just to let him mentor young receivers? And give up draft picks to boot? It was gonna be one or the other IMO. Big $, or Big draft picks. We aren't in position to do both and expect Big results. Therefore, I'm happy Beane looked into it, and content with him walking away

I hope we are a contender in the next 2-3 years. Really 3 more years and then we can contend? Get Brown and some OL and this team contends next year or the year after. This is not the old NFL - you only have short windows due to free agency. 

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Its been rumored for a while and plenty of former players came out and said he was the most selfish, egocentric person they’ve ever come across. 

 

All in the year that he is looking for a new contract. Hmmmm where where they his first 8 years in the league. Busting his tail off to go from a 6th round pick to the best WR in the league. 

 

During that all CRICKETS. Then the year he wants a new deal boom. He is a Douche. Hey that is how the Steeler Operate though. They have done the same for years with players. 

[RaoulDuke79]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Its been rumored for a while and plenty of former players came out and said he was the most selfish, egocentric person they’ve ever come across. 

There was also the incident of him doing a Facebook live broadcast from the locker room after a game a while back or something of the nature. The guy just doesn't get it.

[HappyDays]

I don't understand this from the Raiders perspective at all. They aren't close to being contenders yet with Derek Carr playing like crap lately and a historically bad defense. They let Mack go because they couldn't pay him, then they turn around and guarantee Brown all this money. By the time they're legit contenders he will be past his prime. Weird move for them.

[BuffAlone]

Just now, ngbills said:

I hope we are a contender in the next 2-3 years. Really 3 more years and then we can contend? Get Brown and some OL and this team contends next year or the year after. This is not the old NFL - you only have short windows due to free agency. 

What I said was 2-3 years. You're saying this year or the year after...like...2 years? Not seeing your point of argument. And short windows are for teams who are secure at QB and built in the draft, that may require one two FA acquisitions to put them over the top. IE...the Cheaters. Not the Ram model. Not the Eagles with Vick & Co.

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I don't understand this from the Raiders perspective at all. They aren't close to being contenders yet with Derek Carr playing like crap lately and a historically bad defense. They let Mack go because they couldn't pay him, then they turn around and guarantee Brown all this money. By the time they're legit contenders he will be past his prime. Weird move for them.

 

They're trying to sell tickets for their new move.

[YoloinOhio]

19 minutes ago, ngbills said:

You dont need to "kick the tires" to know he would get paid that kind of money. His current contract was already a 4/$68M deal. He would be completely out of touch with reality if he thought he could get him and pay him peanuts. That is living in lala land. 

Yes, you do. And the Bills aren’t the only team that did it. Negotiations aren’t done through the media. They didn’t know what his demands were until they talked to his agent. And they couldn’t talk to his agent - about him in a trade - until Pittsburgh gave them permission, which they didn’t do until trade  comp was agreed upon. He’s still under contract with the Steelers as we speak. 

 

Indeed, there could be a difference between what he was demanding and what he would actually get. It only takes one team to do it. But if no one did it, he would still need to be traded. No reason not to explore it. 

Edited March 10, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[White Linen]

18 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

 

Huh? He still kept his value and is going to be the highest paid running back this year. Smart move on his end for not risking an injury. Are you stupid? 

 

 

Wow.  Haha

 

Hey I guess it's true if you believe it.  

[PIZ]

 

It would be hilarious if this falls through too.

 

 

[The Senator]

9 minutes ago, ngbills said:

You dont need to "kick the tires" to know he would get paid that kind of money. His current contract was already a 4/$68M deal. He would be completely out of touch with reality if he thought he could get him and pay him peanuts. That is living in lala land. 

 

If $17million/yr is “peanuts “ to you, Salud! ?

 

As I posted, had you bothered to read, the negotiations went such that, the higher Browns demands, the less the Bills were willing to offer Pittsburgh.  The deal fell apart on both sides, hence Beane’s remark that the deal didn’t make sense for EITHER team.

 

Maybe you and a few other GM wannabes would have mortgaged our future by giving away coveted draft picks while at the same time putting us back in cap hell, all for an unreliable, prima donna nutcase.

 

Beane wouldn’t, and didn’t.

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[BillsSB2020]

28 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

Why would you pay 17M a year for a WR when Josh Allen, along with most of the roster, are not in position to contend for SB's at this stage? We might be legit and consistent contenders in 2-3 years, when AB's contract would expire. So, pay that money just to let him mentor young receivers? And give up draft picks to boot? It was gonna be one or the other IMO. Big $, or Big draft picks. We aren't in position to do both and expect Big results. Therefore, I'm happy Beane looked into it, and content with him walking away

Because it would give Allen a PRIME weapon and boost his career trajectory?

 

I'm still a BIT on the fence about Allen, so I'd hate to go into next season still whining about the supporting cast. The sooner we confirm we've got the franchise QB, the better.

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said:

Because it would give Allen a PRIME weapon and boost his career trajectory?

 

I'm still a BIT on the fence about Allen, so I'd hate to go into next season still whining about the supporting cast. The sooner we confirm we've got the franchise QB, the better.

Absolutely. Which is why they made the call in the 1st place. There is no denying what he can do on the field. His baggage is what makes the guaranteed money such a risk. 

[BuffAlone]

Just now, BillsSB2020 said:

Because it would give Allen a PRIME weapon and boost his career trajectory?

 

I'm still a BIT on the fence about Allen, so I'd hate to go into next season still whining about the supporting cast. The sooner we confirm we've got the franchise QB, the better.

IMO the cost was too high for the possibility that it would help Allen's career trajectory. It could have been a blow to his career as much as a help. First time Josh overthrew him, would he run his mouth and berate the young QB? In house, in media..wherever? It would take reps to get on the same page with AB as much as it would a stud WR via the draft. At a much cheaper cost I might add....

[BillsSB2020]

5 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

IMO the cost was too high for the possibility that it would help Allen's career trajectory. It could have been a blow to his career as much as a help. First time Josh overthrew him, would he run his mouth and berate the young QB? In house, in media..wherever? It would take reps to get on the same page with AB as much as it would a stud WR via the draft. At a much cheaper cost I might add....

I'll be fine if we actually land that stud WR. There are certainly no guarantees. To the point, I think if JA is the guy, AB wouldn't be able to derail his career via psychological mumbo jumbo. Overall, I would have liked the move, but whatever. I don't want to let yet another season pass with a crap supporting cast and more excuses than victories.

 

Bottom line; they really need to hit on the WR they choose in the draft.

 

I'm impressed that Beane went outside the character box, so that's the silver lining for me personally.

Edited March 10, 2019 by BillsSB2020

[PIZ]

 

 

[Juice_32]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Absurd.  There have been plenty of highly productive WRs over 30 recently: Larry Fitz, AJ Green, Julio Jones...oh, wait, a 32 year old WR just won the Super Bowl MVP!  Brown’s really has no drop off since turning 30. It’s ridiculous to assume he won’t be really good for at least 2 more years.

 

And if you’re still arguing that WR is a “complementary” position, then the NFL passed you by a long time ago.   

 

 

More power to ya if you’d pay $54 million for 2 good years with that headcase.

 

How much does Edelman make? How many titles do those other guys have? Thanks for proving my point. 

 

All factors considered, I’m glad AB is not a Bill.  

 

 

[Doc]

15 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said:

Because it would give Allen a PRIME weapon and boost his career trajectory?

 

I'm still a BIT on the fence about Allen, so I'd hate to go into next season still whining about the supporting cast. The sooner we confirm we've got the franchise QB, the better.

 

I'd rather not give Allen a guy who couldn't make it work with one of the best franchises and a HOF QB.

 

2 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

That much is obvious.  And that the Raiders were the only team interested once the Bills bowed-out.

[BillsSB2020]

1 minute ago, Juice_32 said:

 

More power to ya if you’d pay $54 million for 2 good years with that headcase.

 

How much does Edelman make? How many titles do those other guys have? Thanks for proving my point. 

 

All factors considered, I’m glad AB is not a Bill.  

 

 

I think the Patriots dynasty has skewed the way some people view the league. Every BB disciple that landed a HC'ing gig has tried to implement the "Patriot Way" and every one has failed.

 

It's folly to try to duplicate what the Pats have done. The Bills need to create their own identity.

[PIZ]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I'd rather not give Allen a guy who couldn't make it work with one of the best franchises and a HOF QB.

 

 

That much is obvious.  And that the Raiders were the only team interested once the Bills bowed-out.

 

It just surprises me that Beane would attempt to add that kind of player to this team.  Seems to go against what they are trying to build.

 

 

[The Senator]

28 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

They're trying to sell tickets for their new move.

 

You know, Doc, that begs a question, Where ARE the Raiders playing this season?

 

They must know.  I’m sure the NFL would like to know, since the schedule comes out next month.

 

Will they be sharing a stadium with Berkeley? Stanford? UCLA?

 

I wonder if Antonio bothered to ask.

.

 

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said:

I think the Patriots dynasty has skewed the way some people view the league. Every BB disciple that landed a HC'ing gig has tried to implement the "Patriot Way" and every one has failed.

 

It's folly to try to duplicate what the Pats have done. The Bills need to create their own identity.

 

They don't have an Ernie Adams.

2 minutes ago, The Senator said:

You know, Doc, that begs a question, Where ARE the Raiders playing this season?

 

They must know.  I’m sure the NFL would like to know, since the schedule comes out next month.

 

Will they be sharing a stadium with Berkeley? Stanford? UCLA?

 

I wonder if Antonio bothered to ask.

 

I believe they're still playing in Oakland.  But I don't know for sure.

Edited March 10, 2019 by Doc

[C.Biscuit97]

Hey, they tried and that’s the most important thing!!!

 

it was a stupid idea in the first place. Of course AB would hate a trade to the Bills. All that was accomplished was the Bills and Buffalo getting laughed at.  Great move!   This regime is so overrated.

[The Senator]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I believe they're still playing in Oakland.

 

That’s not finalized and, like the Bills trade for AB, could fall apart...

 

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/amp/Raiders-fans-going-away-party-put-on-ice-13675495.php

 

https://www.sfchronicle.com/raiders/article/Raiders-new-Coliseum-deal-hits-last-minute-snag-13667708.php

 

 

[mannc]

13 minutes ago, Juice_32 said:

 

More power to ya if you’d pay $54 million for 2 good years with that headcase.

 

How much does Edelman make? How many titles do those other guys have? Thanks for proving my point. 

 

All factors considered, I’m glad AB is not a Bill.  

 

 

Yes, you'd be paying AB for 2-3 years.  That's the Bills window to make a Super Bowl run while Allen is still on his rookie deal.  It's highly unlikely that they will be able to find a rookie this year or next who would come close matching AB's production during that 2-3 year window.  That's why you make the deal.  Of course there's risk, but there really isn't any evidence that Brown's performance is going to fall off a cliff in that time period.  He is in great physical condition and really has never been hurt, other than the time Vontae Burfect took his head off. 

 

And yes, Brown was a pain in the ass this past year, when he was trying to get a new deal and, frankly, when he started losing targets to JuJu Smith-Schuster, but he's been in the league a long time and he didn't really have a history of that sort of behavior.       

 

I would look for Beane to bounce back by possibly making a play for OBJ or Julio Jones.

10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Hey, they tried and that’s the most important thing!!!

 

it was a stupid idea in the first place. Of course AB would hate a trade to the Bills. All that was accomplished was the Bills and Buffalo getting laughed at.  Great move!   This regime is so overrated.

It wasn't a stupid idea, but it's unfortunate that it leaked out the way it did.  It was an embarrassment for sure, but I'm not sure that's OBD's fault.

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Hey, they tried and that’s the most important thing!!!

 

it was a stupid idea in the first place. Of course AB would hate a trade to the Bills. All that was accomplished was the Bills and Buffalo getting laughed at.  Great move!   This regime is so overrated.

 

It was anything but stupid.  What was stupid was Rapoport's premature report.  But we'll see who ends up looking stupid after this: the Bills or the Raiders.

 

Just now, mannc said:

Yes, you'd be paying AB for 2-3 years.  That's the Bills window to make a Super Bowl run while Allen is still on his rookie deal.  It's highly unlikely that they will be able to find a rookie this year or next who would come close matching AB's production during that 2-3 year window.  That's why you make the deal.  Of course there's risk, but there really isn't any evidence that Brown's performance is going to fall off a cliff in that time period.  He is in great physical condition and really has never been hurt, other than the time Vontae Burfect took his head off. 

 

And yes, Brown was a pain in the ass this past year, when he was trying to get a new deal and, frankly, when he started losing targets to JuJu Smith-Schuster, but he's been in the league a long time and he didn't really have a history of that sort of behavior.       

 

I would look for Beane to bounce back by possibly making a play for OBJ or Julio Jones.

 

AB won't have a HOF QB throwing to him.  That's a good reason why his numbers might (and IMHO will) decline.

 

As for not having a history, I think the "Dancing with the Stars" thing made him start looking at life beyond the NFL.  Again if he couldn't make it work with the Steelers...

[BillsSB2020]

5 minutes ago, mannc said:

Yes, you'd be paying AB for 2-3 years.  That's the Bills window to make a Super Bowl run while Allen is still on his rookie deal.  It's highly unlikely that they will be able to find a rookie this year or next who would come close matching AB's production during that 2-3 year window.  That's why you make the deal.  Of course there's risk, but there really isn't any evidence that Brown's performance is going to fall off a cliff in that time period.  He is in great physical condition and really has never been hurt, other than the time Vontae Burfect took his head off. 

 

And yes, Brown was a pain in the ass this past year, when he was trying to get a new deal and, frankly, when he started losing targets to JuJu Smith-Schuster, but he's been in the league a long time and he didn't really have a history of that sort of behavior.       

 

I would look for Beane to bounce back by possibly making a play for OBJ or Julio Jones.

It wasn't a stupid idea, but it's unfortunate that it leaked out the way it did.  It was an embarrassment for sure, but I'm not sure that's OBD's fault.

If you listen to the AB interview, the thing that stuck in his craw was the public criticism/excuse making by Ben (However you spell his last name).

 

Always been flamboyant, but never once heard a negative word about his football character before 2018 when the Steelers became a circus.  Didn't work out, but I'm glad they tried. If they do go after OBJ or JJ, which I'd love, they damn well better find out if they wanna come to the B-LO. Cannot take another PR hit.

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

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AB won't have a HOF QB throwing to him.  That's a good reason why his numbers might (and IMHO will) decline.

 

I actually think AB's numbers might go up in Oakland.  Carr is still a pretty good QB and AB will definitely be Option 1, unlike this past year in Pittsburgh where he still put up 15 TDs in 15 games. 

[billspro]

25 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said:

I think the Patriots dynasty has skewed the way some people view the league. Every BB disciple that landed a HC'ing gig has tried to implement the "Patriot Way" and every one has failed.

 

It's folly to try to duplicate what the Pats have done. The Bills need to create their own identity.

 

No the Patriots laid out a blue print. If you want a dynasty that is the way to do it. It’s just really difficult to duplicate.

[BuffAlone]

15 minutes ago, mannc said:

Yes, you'd be paying AB for 2-3 years.  That's the Bills window to make a Super Bowl run while Allen is still on his rookie deal.  It's highly unlikely that they will be able to find a rookie this year or next who would come close matching AB's production during that 2-3 year window.  That's why you make the deal.  Of course there's risk, but there really isn't any evidence that Brown's performance is going to fall off a cliff in that time period.  He is in great physical condition and really has never been hurt, other than the time Vontae Burfect took his head off. 

 

And yes, Brown was a pain in the ass this past year, when he was trying to get a new deal and, frankly, when he started losing targets to JuJu Smith-Schuster, but he's been in the league a long time and he didn't really have a history of that sort of behavior.       

 

I would look for Beane to bounce back by possibly making a play for OBJ or Julio Jones.

It wasn't a stupid idea, but it's unfortunate that it leaked out the way it did.  It was an embarrassment for sure, but I'm not sure that's OBD's fault.

Food for thought...no QB playing within his first 3 years has won a SuperBowl in, at the very least,decades. It doesn't matter if Josh is on his rookie deal or not. What matters is if he is a Franchise QB or not? And if so, he will be extended. A rookie contract does not, and has not, made a damn in regards to any window

Edited March 10, 2019 by BuffAlone

[jletha]

29 minutes ago, Juice_32 said:

 

More power to ya if you’d pay $54 million for 2 good years with that headcase.

 

How much does Edelman make? How many titles do those other guys have? Thanks for proving my point. 

 

All factors considered, I’m glad AB is not a Bill.  

 

 

Fitz, AJ Green, Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Brown, ODB, Hopkins, Brown, etc. Great WRs do not make teams good. You'd think, if having a stud WR led to success more teams would be willing to pay them like QBs. The truth is that WRs are product of the scheme and QB most of the time. They do not lead to wins on their own and the highest paid one eat up a lot of cap while not contributing in the same way as other highly paid players. If having a stud WR was a necessity in this league you'd think that one of those guys would have won something when most of them were on bad teams their entire careers. The best teams consistently have top QBs and good defenses. WR are plugged in