Logic Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 (edited) To be honest, I think a swap of 1sts and either Shaq or Murphy seems reasonable. If they don't want that, then a swap of 1sts and a 2nd round pick next year works for me, as well. They're NOT just getting a 1st round pick outright, I don't believe. I'd be fine with making this same deal for Clowney, by the way. As for Gerald McCoy, the Bills should trade one of their 4th round picks and consider it a huge win. Can you imagine a d-line of Hughes, Star, McCoy, and Clark?! With the "Philips Bros", Trent, and Harold as the rotational guys? Sounds incredible to me. It would also "finish" the d-line for the time being, allowing them to use their 9 draft picks this year to continue to build around Allen. Edited April 21, 2019 by Logic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Swap of picks AND a 2nd rd next year while the niners only gave up a future 2nd for Ford? Meh. That’s ridiculous imo. The Seahawks can’t pay him and won’t be offered anything near a 12 spot swap AND a 2nd. That’s basically giving up 2 2nd rd picks and paying him 20 mill a year. Too many resources for a dude with an domestic abuse past. I’d swap 1sts OR give them next years 2nd plus giving him a 20 mill a year contract. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: Swap of picks AND a 2nd rd next year while the niners only gave up a future 2nd for Ford? Meh. That’s ridiculous imo. The Seahawks can’t pay him and won’t be offered anything near a 12 spot swap AND a 2nd. That’s basically giving up 2 2nd rd picks and paying him 20 mill a year. Too many resources for a dude with an domestic abuse past. I’d swap 1sts OR give them next years 2nd plus giving him a 20 mill a year contract. ....good assessment bud....looks like 'Hawks are up against it....not even sure if his "calling card" fits McDermott's process.....FWIW, not sure if I se McBeane investing "draft capital and $20 mil/yr" in one player....BTW, what do you think about a two year extension for Hughes in the mid-teens annually?.....he has cleaned up his penalties and has stepped up his game...the "stat rats" are against it solely based on sack stats which is not sequitur IMO....guy has value.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, NewEra said: Swap of picks AND a 2nd rd next year while the niners only gave up a future 2nd for Ford? Meh. That’s ridiculous imo. The Seahawks can’t pay him and won’t be offered anything near a 12 spot swap AND a 2nd. That’s basically giving up 2 2nd rd picks and paying him 20 mill a year. Too many resources for a dude with an domestic abuse past. I’d swap 1sts OR give them next years 2nd plus giving him a 20 mill a year contract. Fair enough. I certainly understand this point of view. If I'm not mistaken, I believe there hasn't been a single negative blip on his radar since he was drafted. The Seahawks tout his exemplary behavior and leadership. I also happen to be in the camp that thinks he's a top 5 edge rusher in this league. To give up essentially two 2nd round picks for a 25-year-old, top 5 edge rusher? I'm totally fine with that. As for the pay, well...we can afford it. That's the flexibility that a rookie QB window gives you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....good assessment bud....looks like 'Hawks are up against it....not even sure if his "calling card" fits McDermott's process.....FWIW, not sure if I se McBeane investing "draft capital and $20 mil/yr" in one player....BTW, what do you think about a two year extension for Hughes in the mid-teens annually?.....he has cleaned up his penalties and has stepped up his game...the "stat rats" are against it solely based on sack stats which is not sequitur IMO....guy has value.... Jerry is my favorite player. No question we should extend him imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Virgil said: Considering he has to be given a new contract, one they can’t give, I don’t see how they think they have the leverage. Plus, isn’t he a suspension waiting to happen? Seattle definitely does not have the leverage here. I think he can be had for a 2nd or a 3rd and a player like Shaq or Murphy. No way we give a 1st and then turn around and make him one of the Highest payed players in the league. Crazy thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, Logic said: Fair enough. I certainly understand this point of view. If I'm not mistaken, I believe there hasn't been a single negative blip on his radar since he was drafted. The Seahawks tout his exemplary behavior and leadership. I also happen to be in the camp that thinks he's a top 5 edge rusher in this league. To give up essentially two 2nd round picks for a 25-year-old, top 5 edge rusher? I'm totally fine with that. As for the pay, well...we can afford it. That's the flexibility that a rookie QB window gives you. If Seattle wasn’t in its current position, I may agree with this. I just don’t think there’s a chance that they extend him or let him go after the season and get nothing. They could franchise him again I suppose, but Wagners contract will be up then and he’ll probably be the highest paid LB (non edge rusher) in the league. If they’re smart, they move him and get something for him. I just don’t think anyone is going to be paying 2 2nd rd picks and 20 mill a year in salary for him. He could very well be worth the picks and salary, I just think we can get him for less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 59 minutes ago, Logic said: To be honest, I think a swap of 1sts and either Shaq or Murphy seems reasonable. If they don't want that, then a swap of 1sts and a 2nd round pick next year works for me, as well. They're NOT just getting a 1st round pick outright, I don't believe. I'd be fine with making this same deal for Clowney, by the way. As for Gerald McCoy, the Bills should trade one of their 4th round picks and consider it a huge win. Can you imagine a d-line of Hughes, Star, McCoy, and Clark?! With the "Philips Bros", Trent, and Harold as the rotational guys? Sounds incredible to me. It would also "finish" the d-line for the time being, allowing them to use their 9 draft picks this year to continue to build around Allen. Don't they want a 2nd for McCoy? Other than that, considering we have the money for both, it's a pretty novel idea. I'd be willing to swap 1sts for Clark. We could still trade up to the middle of the 1st for a TE, OT, OLB. And that's the crazy thing. If we made those trades, we'd really only need those 3 positions, which we have more than enough ammo to get. Our defensive line would be amazing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, NewEra said: Jerry is my favorite player. No question we should extend him imo. ...if he did not clean up his dumb penalties and did not step up his game, I'd be hesitant....but he has done so on BOTH accounts, so how do you NOT reward him?.....will readily admit I'm probably "not the brightest bulb in the lighting store", but aren't their instances where you work hard to keep you own versus thinking the "grass MUST be greener on the other side"?......perhaps..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...if he did not clean up his dumb penalties and did not step up his game, I'd be hesitant....but he has done so on BOTH accounts, so how do you NOT reward him?.....will readily admit I'm probably "not the brightest bulb in the lighting store", but aren't their instances where you work hard to keep you own versus thinking the "grass MUST be greener on the other side"?......perhaps..... I think his immediate extension could be tied to how this draft and the rest of the offseason plays out. If they don’t add a potential anchor pass rusher, it’s a no brainer to extend him. The question is, how many years is he looking for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, NewEra said: I think his immediate extension could be tied to how this draft and the rest of the offseason plays out. If they don’t add a potential anchor pass rusher, it’s a no brainer to extend him. The question is, how many years is he looking for. ....good call...think 2 years is fair..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 4 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Indeed. That, and the Beane-Gaine relationship, are why I'd expect a deal for Clowney before I'd expect one for Clark. I think it's easier to see that fit. With Beane and Gaine's relationship they could probably negotiate and keep it under wraps. And Clowney is a small town guy and despite the opportunity for unearned fame created by his college stardom he has not been a big self promoter. Team first guy. Also his cousin is Anthony Johnson the UB receiver in this draft so he has a family member who has lived and played in the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 I think its Clark or Clowney if the elite defenders are gone. I would offer swapping 1s maybe throw in one of the extra day 3 picks. I think Clowney is a better match with Hughes. I think Hughes and Clark are similar players. Clowney brings more Power and can help sure up the run defense. Once he is out of Watts shadow and can get more control of where and who he lines up against on pass rushing situations his numbers will sky rocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Don't they want a 2nd for McCoy? Other than that, considering we have the money for both, it's a pretty novel idea. I'd be willing to swap 1sts for Clark. We could still trade up to the middle of the 1st for a TE, OT, OLB. And that's the crazy thing. If we made those trades, we'd really only need those 3 positions, which we have more than enough ammo to get. Our defensive line would be amazing. They have asked for a 2nd, yes. The reports I have read seem to indicate that there are zero teams willing to give that up for McCoy. Given his age and given Tampa Bay's downright bizarre infatuation with trading him, I feel like the earlier of the Bills' two 4th round picks could get the job done. I have no way of knowing this for sure, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Arians of TB literally stated that McCoy has lost a step of his disruptive play. We have seen many times how a change of scenery can help a player rediscover his game. McDermott knows him well from game planning against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 28 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: Arians of TB literally stated that McCoy has lost a step of his disruptive play. We have seen many times how a change of scenery can help a player rediscover his game. McDermott knows him well from game planning against him. When did he game plan against the TB defence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: Right now I’d swap 1sts with Seattle and give them our 2nd rounder. Hell no. I draw the line at our #40 (2nd rounder) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Member of Panthers org. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, TOboy said: When did he game plan against the TB defence? well played. lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/seahawks-frank-clark-reportedly-drawing-interest-from-several-teams-could-be-traded-before-draft/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 2 hours ago, TOboy said: When did he game plan against the TB defence? He was the HC when the Bills played TB in 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 People defintely need to get over the off the field stuff. Again, the process is not about getting a bunch of choirboys together. Anyway, Dan Morgan and Heath Farwell have intimate knowledge of the player, more than we will ever know from Google, so if they feel he can help the team and the compensation is fair, they will make the move. I don't know that it's likely, but if it doesn't happen, it won't be because of off the field stuff. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Frank Clark plays like Jerry Hughes just a little bigger and longer. But man would it be scary to have those two guys coming off the edge. And hopefully we draft either Ed Oliver or Christian Wilkins at #9. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 34 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: People defintely need to get over the off the field stuff. Again, the process is not about getting a bunch of choirboys together. Anyway, Dan Morgan and Heath Farwell have intimate knowledge of the player, more than we will ever know from Google, so if they feel he can help the team and the compensation is fair, they will make the move. I don't know that it's likely, but if it doesn't happen, it won't be because of off the field stuff. Knowing the worst things about Frank Clark may allow us to get him a little cheaper too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 58 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He was the HC when the Bills played TB in 2017 Also a member of Carolina's staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, PIZ said: Knowing the worst things about Frank Clark may allow us to get him a little cheaper too. Yeah I think so. I think intimate knowledge allows you to know exactly what you are getting, which lessens the risk a lot and gives you what you need to know to make a proper offer. Meaning, I don't think you will overpay because you know exactly what the guy is worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanticleerBillsFan Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Yeah I think so. I think intimate knowledge allows you to know exactly what you are getting, which lessens the risk a lot and gives you what you need to know to make a proper offer. Meaning, I don't think you will overpay because you know exactly what the guy is worth. I’m sure this has been mentioned but don’t we have someone in the FO from their front office prior? That’s gives us so much information. If they feel like he would fit a 2nd definitely is worth it. I obviously don’t wanna give up a 2 bit he is a straight up game wrecker. Not gonna get that value in the second that is obviously already proven. Just makes too much sense. We have the cap space to make it happen. The Seahawks do not have any leverage at this point. Number 9 is way too much, 2 works. Edited April 22, 2019 by ChanticleerBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 ***** all of you. You’re making me start to want this 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: People defintely need to get over the off the field stuff. Again, the process is not about getting a bunch of choirboys together. Anyway, Dan Morgan and Heath Farwell have intimate knowledge of the player, more than we will ever know from Google, so if they feel he can help the team and the compensation is fair, they will make the move. I don't know that it's likely, but if it doesn't happen, it won't be because of off the field stuff. I don't know what more the regime needs to do to prove this to the base. They brought in Jordan Phillips, who was considered a distraction in Miami. They've kept Shady, who's had some issues. And they tried to get AB!!!!!! To top it off, McDermott has flat out said he's not in the business of fielding a team of choirboys. Straight from the horse's mouth. They'll do their due diligence on off field issues like any sane team. There's a huge difference between football character and "character." There's also the fact that their livelihoods hinge on WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES! Frank Clark is a tremendous FOOTBALL player. His issues do not represent a non starter. This would be a terrific addition if the price is right. Edited April 22, 2019 by LSHMEAB 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, wppete said: Frank Clark plays like Jerry Hughes just a little bigger and longer. But man would it be scary to have those two guys coming off the edge. And hopefully we draft either Ed Oliver or Christian Wilkins at #9. He is a bad man. Would love to see the mayhem he and Hughes could cause. Edited April 22, 2019 by mannc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanticleerBillsFan Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, mannc said: He is a bad man. Would love to see the majen he and Hughes could cause. No doubt. With Oliver?! WTF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 1 hour ago, PIZ said: Knowing the worst things about Frank Clark may allow us to get him a little cheaper too. I know Seattle wants a 1st, but Buffalo has a high 2nd this year and could package a conditional pick in 2020 to sweeten the pot. Buffalo has plenty of cap to take on his contract, and he is in his prime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 was this already posted? Source: Seahawks want 1st-rounder for DE Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: was this already posted? Source: Seahawks want 1st-rounder for DE Clark yup - or something very similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 12 hours ago, RocCityRoller said: I know Seattle wants a 1st, but Buffalo has a high 2nd this year and could package a conditional pick in 2020 to sweeten the pot. Buffalo has plenty of cap to take on his contract, and he is in his prime. I think you could do a two this year and a two next year. Maybe a fourth this year. This gives the Seahawks a reasonable package of picks and more than what the Chiefs got for Ford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: was this already posted? Source: Seahawks want 1st-rounder for DE Clark I’m sure they do...So what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 22 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Indeed. That, and the Beane-Gaine relationship, are why I'd expect a deal for Clowney before I'd expect one for Clark. There is also the Dan Morgan angle though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 13 hours ago, ChanticleerBillsFan said: No doubt. With Oliver?! WTF Chanticleer, my good friend... just where would this defense rate with the likes of Hughes/Star/Eddie Oliver/and this Frank fellow on the front four? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, mannc said: I’m sure they do...So what? its a thread on Clark. so ...... Edited April 22, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: its a thread on Clark. Duh I think he's just saying that the fact they WANT a 1st round pick doesn't mean they'll get one. I want a toilet made of solid gold, but nobody has that. Err...wait. Individual 1 has that. I can't think of anyone else, though. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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