BillsFan1988 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 If i was Beane this would be my strategy for the off-season. Free Agency O-Line LT - Ty Neshke 3yrs 20mil RG- DJ Fluker 3yrs 20 mil RT - D Williams 4yrs 45mil C - Mitch Morse yrs 44mil Total spending 35 million per yr This is where I would spend the majority of my budget for this off-season. 2019 Starting 5 LT Neshke LG Dawkins C Morse RG Fluker RT Williams Back ups OG/C Long OG Teller LT Dawkins RT Fluker Usually teams dress 7 lineman on Sunday's in the NFL so my bkup tackles will come from my OGs that have experience at tackle. When we go extra lineman on the field Teller will be the first guy off the bench. I like Tellers run blocking prowess so he would be a good extra lineman when we go heavy. I believe this line has massive flexibility and that was a big key to making these moves. RB Cory Grant 2yrs 3mil CG adds a nice dimension to our bk field he's a Swiss army knife he can return punts, kicks, can catch & run plus he's still young. I also will look to the draft to add another bk. WR Donte Moncreif 3ys 18mil Kevin White 1yr 1.2mil With free Agency not being top heavy at this position. I'm looking for players that can possibly be Hyde/Poyer types for us. I'm not looking to overspend on Tate or Ty Williams there just not worth it. My plan is also to use a couple pks in the draft at this position. My intention here is to get a day 1 starter on the outside like Moncreif . Moncreif is a young player entering his prime and he will buy us time to develop the our rookies while at the same time he can fit into our future plans. Now Kevin White he's just a guy I want to bring in to compete with Zay, Foster, Duke and Mckenzie for playing time. KW is basically a lottery ticket a low risk high reward player. TE Jessie James 4yrs 20mil JJ will give me a player that can fit as a 1 or 2 for us he's a balanced player and with my strategy to go high in the draft at this position he will be a very good complement to a young player needing time to develop. DEFENSE D-Line DT - Grady Jarrett 5yrs 60mil DE - Robert Quinn 2yrs 13mil DT- David Irving 1yr 1.2 mil Grady Jarrett will be my top option on defense. GJ is an absolute beast at 25yrs old and in his prime he can do it all at the 3tech . Not only that but he's a great fit in the process culture wise he will bring leadership qualities with him. Jarrett is also a Patriot killer as he seems to always play his best against them. The additions of Quinn and Irving will give us great depth on the Dline as we know Mcd loves to rotate these guys. David Irving will come cheap but has alot of potential and would be great on passing downs rushing the passer next to Jarrett. With Quinn, Murphy, Shaq, Hughes, H Phillips and Star we will be able to have to rotate at will and attack teams in waves. 2019 DLINE DE Quinn DT Star DT3 Jarrett DE Hughes Bkups Murphy Shaq Phillips LB Dion Jordan 2yrs 5mil . I would sign DJ and put him under Zo tutelage. DJ will be a depth signing that will find his role in Mcd defense as our new Zo . I would also look to the draft in the mid to late rds to add more depth. Secondary SS/ LB - Landon Collins 4yrs 40mil CB - EJ Gaines 2yrs 7mil . Landon Collins can play Rover big safety position. He can be our Shaq Thompson on this defense with 3 safeties on the field at all times. This signing adds some much flexibility to this defense teams won't catch us off guard in the big nickel as we can defend the run and pass with Poyer, Hyde and Landon on the field. EJ Gaines also a great signing for us at a very good price. He can't stay healthy but won't be asked to start in our defense but he gives us a player that can be a great asset if Wallace or Tre go down. EJ is perfect for us because even if Taron Johnson goes down we can move Tre to the slot and not skip a beat because EJ will be on the outside. My plan falls in line with McBeane flexibility philosophy. I realize I spent around 80mil on these players but did so with the mindset that we have 130 mil in 2020 so minus 80 we still have 50 mil for 2020 plus whatever the cap goes up by . Plus I structured most of these deals on short term deals so we have cap flexibility moving forward in 2021 . Now this would be my plan not saying the Bills will do any of this or even half just my dream scenario for our offseason. So hopefully u guys enjoy the rest of my plan and please take it easy on me afterwards. Lol. DRAFT PLAN Trade back collect more pks preferably move bk with a team like the Skins at #15. Add another 2nd and 4th Rd pk . Now it's time to load up on skill position players for the future 1st #15 - WR -DK Metcalf or TJ Hock 2nd #40 - TE Fant or Irv Smith if we take Hock in the first then target WR here maybe Hakeem , Harmon or Marquis Brown. 2nd #47- OG/T Dalton Risner 3rd #75- Wr Andy Isabella 4th - RB Darrell Henderson After these pks we still have 7 more pks left to either trade up the board or stay put and take best players available at any and all positions. With the way we attacked free agency we truly put ourselves in position to stock up the depth of our roster. New depth charts after draft in no particular order. WR Moncrief Foster Zay Isabella Duke Draft pk ( Metcalf, Hakeem, Harmon or Marquis RBS TE McCoy. James Ivory. Draft pk (TJ, Fant,Irv) Henderson. Croom Grant. L Thomas Defense LB. Secondary Edmunds. CB Tre White Milano. CB Wallace Zo. SCB Taron J D Jordan. CB EJ Gaines Landon Collins * FS Poyer SS Hyde L Collins * Rover 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halloween Land Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Unfortunately no way the Bills sign all those free agents. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted February 26, 2019 Author Share Posted February 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, Zaso Art Designs said: Unfortunately no way the Bills sign all those free agents. 14 new players might seem like alot but a few of these guys are min deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 I’m sure this could fit in one of the other 1,000 threads on free agency and draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 And Just like that the Bills in cap he’ll in 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Lot of thought put into this ... would love to see it ... but not sure if realistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 That is some very heavy spending in FA not sure they are going to do that. Would like to see it happen though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeane Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 29 minutes ago, wppete said: That is some very heavy spending in FA not sure they are going to do that. Would like to see it happen though. Seriously? How does this all work out under the cap? Not sure we would be able to sign all those FAs. I like the idea of some complete overhauls on our Offense, but not sure how realistic this might be. Good thoughts put in though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 I’m sorry, but did you honestly include Jordan in that? Did we re-hire Rex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 The fact that you would consider Jordan or White makes the whole plan suspect. They are not worth even a min contract with no guaranteed $. They would prevent a long shot from making the team and I would rather have the long shot on the 90. No need to make Dawkins a sub - keep him at T or if you get 2 good Tackles (doubtful) then move him to Guard. Do not move him to the bench. Jarrett will go for much more than you are calculating. Risner, Smith and Fant will not last that deep in round 2. Most likely all 1st round and early 2nd round. If I add right this adds up to ~ $85 million per year without cap benefits of spreading the bonus. Add another $6M for rookies and the cap is mostly consumed. Not necessarily a bad thing but I am not sure the players added will deliver the result required for the cash spent. Overall alot of thought but see none or very little of this coming to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 biggest issue with your role as GM is the fact you literally added about 7 of the top 30 FAs which just isn't realistic. IF the Bills could get even just Morse and Daryl Williams for o-line its a great offseason. Remember when Jordan Poyer was signed no one thought much of it and he turned into a starter ditto Zo Alexander. I am expecting Buffalo maybe gets 1 true name brand Top FA like Morse and from there we fill in as we go. Quinn, Jarrett, Collins will all demand massive contracts and it'd be amazing if we got one of them let alone all three. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Would anybody be interested in bringing in Clowney opposite Hughes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 This looks like a madden offseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 So you would take a 33 year old journeyman backup swing tackle give him 3 years and $20m and make him your starting left tackle? I stopped reading there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 10 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: The fact that you would consider Jordan or White makes the whole plan suspect. They are not worth even a min contract with no guaranteed $. They would prevent a long shot from making the team and I would rather have the long shot on the 90. No need to make Dawkins a sub - keep him at T or if you get 2 good Tackles (doubtful) then move him to Guard. Do not move him to the bench. Jarrett will go for much more than you are calculating. Risner, Smith and Fant will not last that deep in round 2. Most likely all 1st round and early 2nd round. If I add right this adds up to ~ $85 million per year without cap benefits of spreading the bonus. Add another $6M for rookies and the cap is mostly consumed. Not necessarily a bad thing but I am not sure the players added will deliver the result required for the cash spent. Overall alot of thought but see none or very little of this coming to pass. I have Dawkins as a starting LG and the bkup LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Wow you guys are really harshing this guy's mellow ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 16 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said: 14 new players might seem like alot but a few of these guys are min deals. 14,000 draft threads in February seems like a lot, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: So you would take a 33 year old journeyman backup swing tackle give him 3 years and $20m and make him your starting left tackle? I stopped reading there. GunnerBill u should do some research before u talk . Neshke will be steal for whatever team gets him. The Skins gave him a 2nd rd tender last yr for a reason and the guy has played very good football when given a chance. Yes 33yrs old but doesn't have the wear and tear of others that age. This guy will be a starter for some team next yr at LT and he can easily play another 3yrs up until he's 35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said: GunnerBill u should do some research before u talk . Neshke will be steal for whatever team gets him. The Skins gave him a 2nd rd tender last yr for a reason and the guy has played very good football when given a chance. Yes 33yrs old but doesn't have the wear and tear of others that age. This guy will be a starter for some team next yr at LT and he can easily play another 3yrs up until he's 35. I've done plenty of research thanks. Neshke is 33 and has never been a regular starter anywhere - even at RT. The most games he has ever started anywhere in a single season is 5. He has been a decent enough swing backup in Washington, but he has been no better than that, and he does a decent job in 'big' formations when he essentially replaces the blocking tight end. If a team signs Neshke to be a starting left tackle in 2019 they are going to have a very unpleasant surprise. The Bills gave Ryan Groy a tender a few years ago too. It just means a team has a reliable backup lineman at a decent price and they want to keep hold of him at that figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 18 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said: If i was Beane this would be my strategy for the off-season. Free Agency O-Line LT - Ty Neshke 3yrs 20mil RG- DJ Fluker 3yrs 20 mil RT - D Williams 4yrs 45mil C - Mitch Morse yrs 44mil Thank you so much for this. I thought that I was the only one here who wants him at RG for the Buffalo Bills. Again, I believe that he has been hampered by injuries but last season he looked very good imo. He is an extremely hard worker and is probably one of the strongest players in the league. DJ played RT in college and if healthy, he will be a road grader. He is also a leader. A player like him can make a difference if he clicks and is certainly worth offering a contract to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) Misleading thread title - I thought this was about Mike Mayock! (totally just kidding) As for the OP - I am absolutely NOT willing to pass judgement on the talent of the OL until I see them coached by someone other than Juan Castillo. Sure we could add 2-3 but wholesale replacing all 5 of them is just silly. Edited February 27, 2019 by BobChalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 43 minutes ago, BobChalmers said: Misleading thread title - I thought this was about Mike Mayock! (totally just kidding) As for the OP - I am absolutely NOT willing to pass judgement on the talent of the OL until I see them coached by someone other than Juan Castillo. Sure we could add 2-3 but wholesale replacing all 5 of them is just silly. I got Dawkins at starting LG. But at the same time he's the bkup left tackle in case of injury because I got Teller and Long coming off the bench first in case of injury those guys will replace Dawkins at LG while he kicks over to LT. I actually thought that was very smart thing to do having flexibility. 53 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Thank you so much for this. I thought that I was the only one here who wants him at RG for the Buffalo Bills. Again, I believe that he has been hampered by injuries but last season he looked very good imo. He is an extremely hard worker and is probably one of the strongest players in the league. DJ played RT in college and if healthy, he will be a road grader. He is also a leader. A player like him can make a difference if he clicks and is certainly worth offering a contract to. If any part of my plan happens I hope it's at least 3 guys from the Oline . Especially Fluker at RG he played very well last yr seems like he has finally developed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said: Thank you so much for this. I thought that I was the only one here who wants him at RG for the Buffalo Bills. Again, I believe that he has been hampered by injuries but last season he looked very good imo. He is an extremely hard worker and is probably one of the strongest players in the league. DJ played RT in college and if healthy, he will be a road grader. He is also a leader. A player like him can make a difference if he clicks and is certainly worth offering a contract to. Of course you do Bill... take the Crimson tinted glasses off my old friend. I don't think he looked 'very good' last year. He was blown up consistently in the run game where he just does not anchor well enough and gets forced back early. He was passable. Less of disaster zone than in his year with the Giants but not very good. I'm not against bringing him in as competition but I'm not convinced he'd beat out Wyatt Teller and I am pretty sure he wouldn't beat out Spencer Long. Giving Fluker a 3 year deal for $20m when he played for $3m in his one year (which was an utter disaster) in New York and then $1.5m in his one year (that was a little better) in Seattle would be utter, unadulterated madness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: take the Crimson tinted glasses off my old friend. isn't that asking a bit much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Jeetz1231 said: This looks like a madden offseason. There is a GM feature in these games now, correct? I haven't played in many years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Of course you do Bill... take the Crimson tinted glasses off my old friend. I don't think he looked 'very good' last year. He was blown up consistently in the run game where he just does not anchor well enough and gets forced back early. He was passable. Less of disaster zone than in his year with the Giants but not very good. I'm not against bringing him in as competition but I'm not convinced he'd beat out Wyatt Teller and I am pretty sure he wouldn't beat out Spencer Long. Giving Fluker a 3 year deal for $20m when he played for $3m in his one year (which was an utter disaster) in New York and then $1.5m in his one year (that was a little better) in Seattle would be utter, unadulterated madness. I did not come up with the numbers and when I saw him last season he played well. There have only been a few good guards on this team going back to the Electric Company. Bringing in a player like Fluker to a reasonable contract has little risk and would be a smart move imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Of course you do Bill... take the Crimson tinted glasses off my old friend. I don't think he looked 'very good' last year. He was blown up consistently in the run game where he just does not anchor well enough and gets forced back early. He was passable. Less of disaster zone than in his year with the Giants but not very good. I'm not against bringing him in as competition but I'm not convinced he'd beat out Wyatt Teller and I am pretty sure he wouldn't beat out Spencer Long. Giving Fluker a 3 year deal for $20m when he played for $3m in his one year (which was an utter disaster) in New York and then $1.5m in his one year (that was a little better) in Seattle would be utter, unadulterated madness. Not sure your right bout this DJ played very well last he was a big part of that #1 ranked rushing offense Seattle had for most of the yr. 6.5 mil per yr is nothing nowadays for a solid starting gaurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 41 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said: Not sure your right bout this DJ played very well last he was a big part of that #1 ranked rushing offense Seattle had for most of the yr. 6.5 mil per yr is nothing nowadays for a solid starting gaurd. Watch the games. Watch Fluker's individual play. The Seahawks line improved because both tackles were very good last season. The interior less so. Fluker is not a solid starting guard. I am fine with bringing him in cheap (and he will be cheap) but I think Spencer Long is a better guard than Fluker and I would not be relying on him to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) On 2/27/2019 at 12:02 PM, GunnerBill said: Watch the games. Watch Fluker's individual play. The Seahawks line improved because both tackles were very good last season. The interior less so. Fluker is not a solid starting guard. I am fine with bringing him in cheap (and he will be cheap) but I think Spencer Long is a better guard than Fluker and I would not be relying on him to start. Tell that to Suh after he is pancaked. Here are a few more clips. You might want to go back to the drawing board. Edited March 1, 2019 by Bill from NYC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 32 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Tell that to Suh after he is pancaked. Here are a few more clips. You might want to go back to the drawing board. He did play well that first game against the Rams - the whole Seattle line did. Over the course of the season he was a below average starter. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He did play well that first game against the Rams - the whole Seattle line did. Over the course of the season he was a below average starter. Again. OK, there must be nothing I can show you to make you think he is good, which is more than OK. I don't pretend to be a scout but I have watched every play of his college career. In terms of his pro career, much of it has been hampered by injury. I can understand reluctance to sign him based on this, but not based on ability. We don't have a guard on our roster who could pancake Suh if Suh was blindfolded. All of our guards at the same time probably couldn't. And btw, it isn't all about being from Bama. I was the one who put a damper on things when I said before and after the draft that selecting Kouandjio was a mistake. I didn't want the Bills taking Dre Kirkpatrick either but that I am sure you believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Just now, Bill from NYC said: OK, there must be nothing I can show you to make you think he is good, which is more than OK. I don't pretend to be a scout but I have watched every play of his college career. In terms of his pro career, much of it has been hampered by injury. I can understand reluctance to sign him based on this, but not based on ability. We don't have a guard on our roster who could pancake Suh if Suh was blindfolded. All of our guards at the same time probably couldn't. And btw, it isn't all about being from Bama. I was the one who put a damper on things when I said before and after the draft that selecting Kouandjio was a mistake. I didn't want the Bills taking Dre Kirkpatrick either but that I am sure you believe. I think Spencer Long is a much more capable NFL guard than DJ Fluker. And yep, there is nothing you can show me to make me think he is good. Because there is more than enough tape out there of him playing in the NFL that shows he is bad. I'm not against bringing him in as competition. If we bring him in intending him to start and paying him the money that was suggested (I know not by you) at the start of this thread then it would be sheer lunacy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 On 2/26/2019 at 3:16 PM, MAJBobby said: And Just like that the Bills in cap he’ll in 2020 Its not like we have to resign anyone, Hughes, Allen Or anyone like that. It is becoming common place to resign guys to extensions early. We would have a great team for one year if all those guys were scheme fits. For what ever reason people think any player can play any scheme. When in reality very few players have that ability. On 2/27/2019 at 11:17 AM, Bill from NYC said: I did not come up with the numbers and when I saw him last season he played well. There have only been a few good guards on this team going back to the Electric Company. Bringing in a player like Fluker to a reasonable contract has little risk and would be a smart move imo. We have had several very good Gs actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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