YoloinOhio Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 If i happen to be watching tv at some point tomorrow, I’ll probably take a peek at it out of curiosity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 9, 2019 Author Share Posted February 9, 2019 I just re-christened this "the AAF Thread.". We're already up to 7 pages. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 14 hours ago, Maybe Someday said: NFL network is showing Salt Lake Stallions vs. Arizona Hotshots Sunday night at 8 & then re-airing it again @ 10:30. NFL network agreed to air 1 game per week. I'm sure I'll put one of the games on at some point if I can but not too sure how intently I'll actually be watching. I am kind of intrigued by some of these rule changes. Sky Judge that can call/correct penalties without having to go to replay is an interesting idea. Sounds kind of like an extra official in the booth that calls penalties in almost real time. No extra points, you have to go for 2. No FGs in OT. No kickoffs. On side kick replaced with 4th and 12 from the 28 but I believe there are score/time restrictions so you can't just go for it all the time. This league does feel a little different than a lot of the startups from the past, there are a lot of NFL ties to this one, so I can see it hanging around for at least a little while if it's done right and the product is decent. But if they want to truly become a developmental league for the NFL like MiLB is to the MLB, they need to have better talent than UDFAs and guys that have bounced around practice squads. The thing that makes the minor leagues of baseball and hockey interesting is that there is actually blue chip players on their way up. Many of which are international. How much international talent is there for football besides kickers? Will the NFL ever attempt to bypass the NCAA or be associated with a league that would allow guys to skip college? Would the NFL change their 3 years out of high school rule? I'd say probably not but $$$$$ can change everything. I don't see a reason to change the rule. If guys can eventually sign 3 year contracts with the AAF straight from high school, that would be awesome. They could have a signing day like the NCAA does (ridiculous) or a draft. At that point, this minor league would get plenty of hype and publicity and I don't think the NCAA could do anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Everything you need to know about the first Alliance of American Football season You can only blitz 5 players and can't blitz from the secondary. Interesting. They say it's because they don't have time to prepare O-lines, so it would give the defense too much of an advantage and be bad for the QBs. Maybe that will eventually change if they establish enough continuity between seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 22 hours ago, Maybe Someday said: But if they want to truly become a developmental league for the NFL like MiLB is to the MLB, they need to have better talent than UDFAs and guys that have bounced around practice squads. I'd say probably not but $$$$$ can change everything. In the NFL, blue chips can play right away. "Better talent" than NFL PS squad guys and UDFAs who bounced around.....don't have to play in the AAF, obviously. Money changes everything, so $75 a year for 3 years won't change much.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 The only way another football league works, is if it’s an nfl minor league. That means, don’t have silly rules. If nfl fans had developmental talent to watch, of which their favorite team had control of...it would have a shot. Teams bring 90 guys to camp. It absolutely can happen. It won’t work though when guys are playing in a league that’s barely football. No kickoffs, can’t blitz, no extra points. If it’s football people might watch. If you start just taking things away, you are making the pro bowl with guys nobody cares about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 I’m intrigued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce_Stools Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 9 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Everything you need to know about the first Alliance of American Football season You can only blitz 5 players and can't blitz from the secondary. Interesting. They say it's because they don't have time to prepare O-lines, so it would give the defense too much of an advantage and be bad for the QBs. Maybe that will eventually change if they establish enough continuity between seasons. Whoa! I somehow missed that rule! NOT a fan of that at all. That makes me a little more skeptical of the success of the league. Wonder if we see a lot of teams week in and week out putting up 50 pts, with rules holding back the defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 What does it mean that we (Buffalo bills) have interest in birmingham Iron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: The only way another football league works, is if it’s an nfl minor league. That means, don’t have silly rules. If nfl fans had developmental talent to watch, of which their favorite team had control of...it would have a shot. Teams bring 90 guys to camp. It absolutely can happen. It won’t work though when guys are playing in a league that’s barely football. No kickoffs, can’t blitz, no extra points. If it’s football people might watch. If you start just taking things away, you are making the pro bowl with guys nobody cares about. I think two of those three are rules the NFL is long overdue to adopt. Kickoffs are pointless no, onside kicks even more pointless. No extra points is a great rule, the extra point is boring. The can’t blitz is a thing I’m not a fan of. However, if you read the article it said they did that because in the amount of practice time they had, they couldn’t get the offensive line up to speed. I would imagine this rule will not stick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: If i happen to be watching tv at some point tomorrow, I’ll probably take a peek at it out of curiosity. ...um right....you'll be GLUED.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 45 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: I think two of those three are rules the NFL is long overdue to adopt. Kickoffs are pointless no, onside kicks even more pointless. No extra points is a great rule, the extra point is boring. The can’t blitz is a thing I’m not a fan of. However, if you read the article it said they did that because in the amount of practice time they had, they couldn’t get the offensive line up to speed. I would imagine this rule will not stick. I completely disagree. I think kickoffs are a huge part of football and they need to stay in the nfl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 27 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I completely disagree. I think kickoffs are a huge part of football and they need to stay in the nfl ...CERTAINLY emphasize/agree with the need/concern for player safety.......but the complexity of rules derogatorily affecting officiating and the overall dilution of the sport lead me to believe the next MAJOR conundrum at the Owners' meetings will be deciding the colors of HOME versus AWAY flags........yet the cash cow, "just keeps matriculating down the field" as the late great Hank Stram would say.......sad......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 I will say, Charlie Ebersol and Polian have been very clever in the way they've set this league up. I like that they've got NFL guys like Warner to do the announcing because it creates a bridge from one league to the other, especially when you think that the NFL ended last week. I think the presentation will be very much like the NFL. They don't want to be different (obviously the games themselves will be) to the NFL, they want to be a security blanket for all the hardcore fans who are down that the NFL has ended. If the games aren't sloppy and are well played I could see it doing quite well and having some longevity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 I will be watching at least some but the issue will be how the new teammates bond. I saw some Gleague basketball last night and the team mates played well tpgether so it was entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I completely disagree. I think kickoffs are a huge part of football and they need to stay in the nfl There were 5 TD’s total in the NFL this year on kick returns. That is a percent of .00515. Out of 970 kickoffs. Touchbacks amount to 60% of kickoffs. Flags seemingly amount for the other 39% percent. NFL’s rules have killed the kickoff, it is time to eliminate it all together. When you are getting a touchback or flag on the vast majority of the play, it is pointless. All they do is slow down the game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 I'll check in tonight to see what kind of product they are putting out there and go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 On 2/8/2019 at 3:22 PM, Maybe Someday said: NFL network is showing Salt Lake Stallions vs. Arizona Hotshots Sunday night at 8 & then re-airing it again @ 10:30. NFL network agreed to air 1 game per week. I'm sure I'll put one of the games on at some point if I can but not too sure how intently I'll actually be watching. I am kind of intrigued by some of these rule changes. Sky Judge that can call/correct penalties without having to go to replay is an interesting idea. Sounds kind of like an extra official in the booth that calls penalties in almost real time. No extra points, you have to go for 2. No FGs in OT. No kickoffs. On side kick replaced with 4th and 12 from the 28 but I believe there are score/time restrictions so you can't just go for it all the time. This league does feel a little different than a lot of the startups from the past, there are a lot of NFL ties to this one, so I can see it hanging around for at least a little while if it's done right and the product is decent. But if they want to truly become a developmental league for the NFL like MiLB is to the MLB, they need to have better talent than UDFAs and guys that have bounced around practice squads. The thing that makes the minor leagues of baseball and hockey interesting is that there is actually blue chip players on their way up. Many of which are international. How much international talent is there for football besides kickers? Will the NFL ever attempt to bypass the NCAA or be associated with a league that would allow guys to skip college? Would the NFL change their 3 years out of high school rule? I'd say probably not but $$$$$ can change everything. I like some of these rule changes too. I think some will definitely be adopted eventually by the NFL. The main one will be the sky judge. If they can overturn decisions QUICKLY without really detracting from the flow of the game I think they'll definitely adopt that. Maybe they'll only use it in the final 2 minutes, or maybe just the playoffs to begin with. I also like the 4th down play to replace an onside kick, though I think the yardage needed is maybe too short. Personally I'd extend it a bit. 4th and 25 makes the odds much much lower and therefore people are only really going to go for that when they absolutely have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 minute ago, RobbRiddick said: I like some of these rule changes too. I think some will definitely be adopted eventually by the NFL. The main one will be the sky judge. If they can overturn decisions QUICKLY without really detracting from the flow of the game I think they'll definitely adopt that. Maybe they'll only use it in the final 2 minutes, or maybe just the playoffs to begin with. I also like the 4th down play to replace an onside kick, though I think the yardage needed is maybe too short. Personally I'd extend it a bit. 4th and 25 makes the odds much much lower and therefore people are only really going to go for that when they absolutely have to. I also initially thought the yardage was a bit too short. However, I would like to see the stats that went into that decision. I am sure they looked at how likely it was to get X yards on any one play, and arrived at a percentage they liked. If I had to guess, the conversion percentage for a 4th and 12 would be around 20%. I am completely fine with that being the “onside kick” conversion percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 What I would like is if the NFL teams could have rights to so many players each before this league kicks off each year. So maybe each team would have between 3-5 players that they would essentially own the rights to. That way it'd give us fans more of a rooting interest because we'd be looking out to see how our Bills players, or potential Bills players, were doing. If one of them led the league in rushing or passing or sacks etc. we'd probably have a lot of interest in seeing how that guy did during training camp with the Bills 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Bruce_Stools said: Whoa! I somehow missed that rule! NOT a fan of that at all. That makes me a little more skeptical of the success of the league. Wonder if we see a lot of teams week in and week out putting up 50 pts, with rules holding back the defenses. Makes me skeptical, too. I don't think kickoffs or extra points are a big deal, but they shouldn't drastically change the fundamentals of the game. That seems to be the only rule against the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 59 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said: What I would like is if the NFL teams could have rights to so many players each before this league kicks off each year. So maybe each team would have between 3-5 players that they would essentially own the rights to. That way it'd give us fans more of a rooting interest because we'd be looking out to see how our Bills players, or potential Bills players, were doing. If one of them led the league in rushing or passing or sacks etc. we'd probably have a lot of interest in seeing how that guy did during training camp with the Bills ...terribly sad that NFL owners are so cash strapped that they cannot subscribe to minor league development network like MLB, NHL or even NBA........think a GoFundMe page is appropriate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 It’s interesting to start a new football league with all the concerns about the future of the sport. I’m not sure I’d invest in this as a growth concept. It seems to be pretty much maxed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 9, 2019 Author Share Posted February 9, 2019 6 hours ago, billvernsays said: What does it mean that we (Buffalo bills) have interest in birmingham Iron? Because the Iron have terratorial rights to Ex-Bills players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Bills2ref said: I also initially thought the yardage was a bit too short. However, I would like to see the stats that went into that decision. I am sure they looked at how likely it was to get X yards on any one play, and arrived at a percentage they liked. If I had to guess, the conversion percentage for a 4th and 12 would be around 20%. I am completely fine with that being the “onside kick” conversion percentage. Also, teams are only allowed to go for the "onside kick conversion" either when they're down by 17 or more points, or when they're trailing with 5 minutes or less left in the 4th quarter. Those two added provisions means teams won't be doing this unless they absolutely have to. Personally, I think 4th and 15 is the perfect distance for this play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 6 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...um right....you'll be GLUED.............. I actually missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 23 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Because the Iron have terratorial rights to Ex-Bills players. What happens if a guy was an ex player of more then 1 team? London should have tried to get a team in this league and experiment with the logistics before it happens in the nfl. Also some of these cities that lost NFL teams should try and get back in. St Louis, eventually Oakland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Who's playing in this league that we know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIrvine Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Since I live in Southern California, Go Fleet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 46 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: What happens if a guy was an ex player of more then 1 team? London should have tried to get a team in this league and experiment with the logistics before it happens in the nfl. Also some of these cities that lost NFL teams should try and get back in. St Louis, eventually Oakland. Too expensive for trans- Atlantic flights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stosh64 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 The opening on CBS right now is getting me a little hyped. This could be a good thing for the NFL. I'm going to give it a chance and hopefully enjoy some football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Bills2ref said: There were 5 TD’s total in the NFL this year on kick returns. That is a percent of .00515. Out of 970 kickoffs. Touchbacks amount to 60% of kickoffs. Flags seemingly amount for the other 39% percent. NFL’s rules have killed the kickoff, it is time to eliminate it all together. When you are getting a touchback or flag on the vast majority of the play, it is pointless. All they do is slow down the game. Either re-tweak it or actually kill it. To keep it on it’s death bed just to say you have it isn’t my favorite approach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SloanBillsFan Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 On 1/31/2019 at 2:28 PM, Jay_Fixit said: I’ll give it a once over but realistically, I’ll care more about what kind of panties Trump is wearing on any given day. Hats off to you but nothing is less interesting to me than Donald's fetishes. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 I’m surprised Tebow, kapernick or manzel didn’t get on one of these teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 18 minutes ago, stosh64 said: The opening on CBS right now is getting me a little hyped. This could be a good thing for the NFL. I'm going to give it a chance and hopefully enjoy some football Agree. Let's see how this game goes. If this game is entertaining and fast paced, they may have something 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocemur Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 I think the best thing that could come out of it is for this league to last several years and help develop a much wider pool of officials from which the NFL can hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SloanBillsFan Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) Really haven't been paying attention to this. Just happened to be in front of the TV when a game was coming on. I admit I'm a little intrigued. Used to live in Birmingham way back when there was an arena team (Birmingham Fire). Went to a couple of games but I really wasn't a football fan at the time. It took moving to Buffalo to turn me into a fan - my wife gives me constant hell about my radical change of heart. ? I'll definitely watch a few games just to see how it goes. Baseball & hockey (and I imagine every other major sport) have "minor" leagues. I think it's high time football has one, too. Edited February 10, 2019 by SloanBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I’m surprised Tebow, kapernick or manzel didn’t get on one of these teams That’s a good point. Although Tebow wasn’t that good, Kap might not want to due to his lawsuit? But Manziel, I’m surprised he didn’t get the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Alright I've convinced myself to tune in. Someone tell me which team to root for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SloanBillsFan Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I’m surprised Tebow, kapernick or manzel didn’t get on one of these teams Could be beneath their dignity? Or maybe the league doesn't want to start out with a lot of drama, not to mention drama queens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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