Happy Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Dave DeGugielmo is old school and abrasive. He is the anti Castillo and he is exactly what this line needs. He wouldn't stand for a guy like Dawkins getting comfortable. But the guys who play for him love him as he gives them a bit of rough edge. Cool article: https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2018/09/21/how-dave-deguglielmo-has-brought-indianapolis-colts-offensive-line-together/1370061002/ Now I don't know if he brings Glowinski, but his guy is Matt Slauson. He's been his guy for a while and would fit nicely between Mitch Morse and Dawkins. I like him because he is the complete opposite of Castillo. He also has some insight into how the Colts gashed our defense in embarrassing fashion. I really want a return to a power running game. Any concern about how poorly the Pats OLine played in 2014 and 2015? They had a hard time protecting Brady, who was hit a lot those years. The next year (2016) Scarnecchia came out of retirement and the Pats won the SB with much better OLine protection. The Pats run an EP system, as do we, though I'm thinking theirs is much more advanced. I don't know what Indy runs. You don't see any potential problems with pass blocking under DeGugielmo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 God I hope we make this happen would be a great hire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I'm hesitant to credit just him for the turnaround. The Colts invested heavily in their OL with Nelson and Smith. Guys like Castonzo and Kelly did have career years so that's a + for DeGugielmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Any concern about how poorly the Pats OLine played in 2014 and 2015? They had a hard time protecting Brady, who was hit a lot those years. The next year (2016) Scarnecchia came out of retirement and the Pats won the SB with much better OLine protection. The Pats run an EP system, as do we, though I'm thinking theirs is much more advanced. I don't know what Indy runs. You don't see any potential problems with pass blocking under DeGugielmo? They had poor talent on that line. He’s an OL coach not a miracle worker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I don't know.....doesn't seem like there is any Carolina Panther's connection with this guy. He may not work out so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said: This guy wasn't very good in New England. Their OLine struggled and Brady got pressured and hit a lot in the 2015 season. https://www.patriots.com/news/report-patriots-part-ways-with-ol-coach-dave-deguglielmo-255016 "His first season in New England got off to a hellacious start, as the line struggled to find consistency both in terms of personnel and performance. But that turned around in the middle of the year and the unit was more than good enough for the Super Bowl run. That same was not true this fall, however. The unit utilized endless combinations – both out of necessity and at times by choice – and never was really good enough. The only time the passing game rolled was when Brady got rid of the ball at a ridiculously quick rate. Otherwise, the 38-year-old franchise was hit far too often, with that peaking in Sunday evening’s loss. Stork seemed to regress, while veterans Sebastian Vollmer and Marcus Cannon struggled, the latter having by far the worst year of his career." Stork started the year on IR. Solder missed more than half the year. Cannon missed time. They had 3 rookies starting by the end of the year. And others playing out of position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskibreth Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, Bisonbreath123 said: I seem to recall the Pat's legendary line coach Dante Scarnecchia retired for a year, and DeGugliemo (sp?) Took over for a year with poor results. I believe the Pat's let him go after a year and we're thrilled to talk Scarnecchia out of retirement to clean up the mess. If anyone has better info please chime in. I don;t really follow DeGugliemo that closely, but to compare him to Scarnecchia... Isn't that kinda like saying if your not the GOAT, then you suck? I think the Patriots did manage to win a Superbowl in 2014 with him as OL coach, and I think the Pats OL suffered quite a few injuries in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said: I don't know.....doesn't seem like there is any Carolina Panther's connection with this guy. He may not work out so well. omg you are so funny!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Any concern about how poorly the Pats OLine played in 2014 and 2015? They had a hard time protecting Brady, who was hit a lot those years. The next year (2016) Scarnecchia came out of retirement and the Pats won the SB with much better OLine protection. The Pats run an EP system, as do we, though I'm thinking theirs is much more advanced. I don't know what Indy runs. You don't see any potential problems with pass blocking under DeGugielmo? I think it's a fair concern, but I will say that he was working with a lot of young players in 2015. Shaq Mason and Tre Jackson were rookies. Cam Fleming was young. David Andrews was a rookie I believe and he was awful. And Nate Solder got hurt early. I think it's a blip on his career, but it would not concern me going forward. He seems to be what the line here need and he's likely to be in lock step with Daboll. He is not a Vlad Ducasse guy either. When he was with the Jets there was some internal conflict because the higher ups were making him play Ducasse over Slauson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, thebandit27 said: He would have to be Daboll's number one choice I'd think I'm shocked he's available Is he a "process" guy? Does he have any connection with the Carolina Panthers? Inquiring minds want to know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 36 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said: While there at it put Daryll Williams and Big Mitch on that flight once free agency opens of course. Make brief stop in Florida pick up Incog on a 1yr 5mil deal. Wouldn't Incog be a great mentor for Teller. Match made in football heaven. LT Dawkins LG Incog C Big Mitch RG Glowinski RT D Will Now we ready to go to football war. Man i know its unlikely but one can dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Augie said: Did we somehow know this was coming??? Solid question. Things that make you go hmmmmm.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 O-Line improved already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said: Make brief stop in Florida pick up Incog on a 1yr 5mil deal. Wouldn't Incog be a great mentor for Teller. Match made in football heaven. LT Dawkins LG Incog C Big Mitch RG Glowinski RT D Will Now we ready to go to football war. Man i know its unlikely but one can dream. You know 'bout Richie, right? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: You know 'bout Richie, right? Make sure his head is right . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Coffin Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said: Make sure his head is right . It's clearly not. He's done in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 52 minutes ago, wiskibreth said: I don;t really follow DeGugliemo that closely, but to compare him to Scarnecchia... Isn't that kinda like saying if your not the GOAT, then you suck? I think the Patriots did manage to win a Superbowl in 2014 with him as OL coach, and I think the Pats OL suffered quite a few injuries in 2015. Whatever was going on, he was not enough of an asset to keep around. Actions speak the loudest here, between the hoodie dumping him and Reich not seeing the value to keep him even when their oline performed well statistically this year. Just causes me some concern, maybe a little smoke there. Could be personality issues as some have mentioned he's gruff. Hopefully whoever the choice is will be the right one since it will be a big part of Josh Allen's development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 54 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I think it's a fair concern, but I will say that he was working with a lot of young players in 2015. Shaq Mason and Tre Jackson were rookies. Cam Fleming was young. David Andrews was a rookie I believe and he was awful. And Nate Solder got hurt early. I think it's a blip on his career, but it would not concern me going forward. He seems to be what the line here need and he's likely to be in lock step with Daboll. He is not a Vlad Ducasse guy either. When he was with the Jets there was some internal conflict because the higher ups were making him play Ducasse over Slauson. Thanks. The Pats article seemed to pin it all on DeGugielmo, but I shouldn't be surprised at this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I think I read that he drove down I-95 to Florida once and clearly broke over the North Carolina border. Even bought some pralines. Don't want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: Whatever was going on, he was not enough of an asset to keep around. Actions speak the loudest here, between the hoodie dumping him and Reich not seeing the value to keep him even when their oline performed well statistically this year. Just causes me some concern, maybe a little smoke there. Could be personality issues as some have mentioned he's gruff. Hopefully whoever the choice is will be the right one since it will be a big part of Josh Allen's development. Supposedly Reich is now recommending/ vouching for him...He inherited him last year in the washup of the McDaniels debacle and now wants to bring in “his guy”...Seems strange but not unusual in the world of NFL coaching... Personally I don’t care if his personality is a bit rough around the edges... just so long as he gets the results... Edited January 15, 2019 by Aussie Joe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: Supposedly Reich is now recommending/ vouching for him...He inherited him last year in the washup of the McDaniels debacle and now wants to bring in “his guy”...Seems strange but not unusual in the world of NFL coaching... Personally I don’t care if his personality is a bit rough around the edges... just so long as he gets the results... I don't believe the words, just the actions, sorry. Yes, the results are important and should have been important to BB* and Reich. That's my point, the results weren't extraordinary enough to keep him. Maybe it's nothing, but it seems a little odd to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: I don't believe the words, just the actions, sorry. Yes, the results are important and should have been important to BB* and Reich. That's my point, the results weren't extraordinary enough to keep him. Maybe it's nothing, but it seems a little odd to me. Ok.. who do you want instead? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, CaptnCoke11 said: They had poor talent on that line. He’s an OL coach not a miracle worker A couple of other posters mentioned as much. Pats article completely pinned it on DeGugielmo, which probably shouldn't be surprising since the article was written when he was just fired from NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) The miami nonsense is getting nauseating Edited January 15, 2019 by Buffalo Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Well i can see it now.. This guy is becoming the godly OL coach and if he’s not hired a board meltdown will follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 How about the Panthers assistant defensive line coach, whoever that is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Well i can see it now.. This guy is becoming the godly OL coach and if he’s not hired a board meltdown will follow. There will be criticism either way.. If he is hired and stinks up the place there will be a lot of "I told you so's" in a year's time... In short.. just like every other decision that gets made... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 49 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Supposedly Reich is now recommending/ vouching for him...He inherited him last year in the washup of the McDaniels debacle and now wants to bring in “his guy”...Seems strange but not unusual in the world of NFL coaching... Personally I don’t care if his personality is a bit rough around the edges... just so long as he gets the results... I would love to get that scumbag Kromer back. I'd actually prefer someone rough around the edges coaching offensive lineman. I'd be happy to land this DeGugeilmo character as OL Coach even if I have to look up his name every time I type it. Much more interested in the OL/Run Game coordinator than ST coach. It's entirely conceivable this was a mutual decision considering he signed on to work for McDaniels. Personality clashes among qualified coaches happen all the time. Not a big deal for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 4 hours ago, freddyjj said: Please put him and their FA RG Glowinski on same flight to BUF Sign me up for that. We would have a good chance of landing him if we got his oline coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: Ok.. who do you want instead? No thoughts on that, just hoping they get it right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said: Any concern about how poorly the Pats OLine played in 2014 and 2015? They had a hard time protecting Brady, who was hit a lot those years. The next year (2016) Scarnecchia came out of retirement and the Pats won the SB with much better OLine protection. The Pats run an EP system, as do we, though I'm thinking theirs is much more advanced. I don't know what Indy runs. You don't see any potential problems with pass blocking under DeGugielmo? Bryan Stork was tipping snaps though as well. Scar is a great o-line coach but he missed the 2 years Stork was in the NFL. 1 hour ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: I don't believe the words, just the actions, sorry. Yes, the results are important and should have been important to BB* and Reich. That's my point, the results weren't extraordinary enough to keep him. Maybe it's nothing, but it seems a little odd to me. How about the action of McDaniels hiring him on to be his o-line coach? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 23 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: I would love to get that scumbag Kromer back. I'd actually prefer someone rough around the edges coaching offensive lineman. I'd be happy to land this DeGugeilmo character as OL Coach even if I have to look up his name every time I type it. Much more interested in the OL/Run Game coordinator than ST coach. It's entirely conceivable this was a mutual decision considering he signed on to work for McDaniels. Personality clashes among qualified coaches happen all the time. Not a big deal for me. Cant say that I am an expert on this guy or any other available OL coach, but I agree that at this stage he would seem like a good get... Would be interested to know if he had any say on the guys they drafted last year.. you would assume so... Nelson was probably a no brainer, but Braden Smith at pick 36 was in hindsight a very good pick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Given what he did with the Colts this year Bean needs to get on the phone & back up the truck to give this guy a contract before someone else does !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Cant say that I am an expert on this guy or any other available OL coach, but I agree that at this stage he would seem like a good get... Would be interested to know if he had any say on the guys they drafted last year.. you would assume so... Nelson was probably a no brainer, but Braden Smith at pick 36 was in hindsight a very good pick... Let's just keep it real here. When it comes to position coaches, all we can really do is guess based on rankings/etc. There are a number of variables that come into play and different situations that factor into success or failure. I don't want to see Bob Wylie eating up space on the sideline, so this is a better option for me. The Colts had success with the OL and running the football, so that's a plus, but we really don't know. Edited January 15, 2019 by LSHMEAB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, section122 said: How about the action of McDaniels hiring him on to be his o-line coach? Decent point, but that would be at best an unfinished one since they weren't really coaching together. Could have ended up like McDermott and Castillo if given some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 https://www.cincyjungle.com/2019/1/15/18184263/bengals-rumors-coach-frank-pollack-out One of the better OL coaches in the league now available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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