Tsaikotic Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: What is bitter about getting sick of the Bills for settling? I irrationally love this team and the city where I’m from. I just have to take everything they do? I can’t want us to make an exciting hire of a young offensive guy who just helped groom the nfl mvp? i love life and I’m far from better. But man, no one settles like Buffalo fans. The defense failed Mahomes. You spend money to get a veteran DC who are a million times easier to find. im not saying I want him fired but it’s a million times easier to find a McDermott than a Reid or McVay. I only really said that because ppl (on twitter mostly) are saying he's failed due to his bad win-loss record even with Mahomes Edited January 8, 2019 by Tsaikotic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Guess what, he was the HC, meaning he was also in charge of the defense. I don’t think you know how coaching works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I wonder if he preferred to work with one GM over another. Leash might be a bit longer with the Cardinals as well considering they were the worst team in the league a year ago vs. the Jets wanting to invest and win now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, Tsaikotic said: I only really said that because ppl (on twitter mostly) are saying he's filed due to his bad win-loss record even with Mahomes They averaged 43.7 points per game and 566 yards with Mahomes. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/texas-tech/2016.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: What is bitter about getting sick of the Bills for settling? I irrationally love this team and the city where I’m from. I just have to take everything they do? I can’t want us to make an exciting hire of a young offensive guy who just helped groom the nfl mvp? It's that you were the biggest homer and apologist for Bills failures for nearly a decade on this board when Whaley, Nix, Marv etc. were here and now we have a coach who took us to the playoffs with a team lacking in talent and a GM who finally drafted a franchise QB and you've all of a sudden turned into Sir Poo poo's in your teams a lot. It's truly bizarre. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, Magox said: It's that you were the biggest homer and apologist for Bills failures for nearly a decade on this board when Whaley, Nix, Marv etc. were here and now we have a coach who took us to the playoffs with a team lacking in talent and a GM who finally drafted a franchise QB and you've all of a sudden turned into Sir Poo poo's in your teams a lot. It's truly bizarre. Last year’s team was a Jauron special. We just finally got lucky. And as exciting as he was, our qb had a worse qb rating than EJ Manuel. Sorry, I want more than Brian “Bottom 5” Daboll to help him out. Sorry, I’m sick of defending below to average teams. It’s ok to want more in life. I’ve been awaken over years of defending ?. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, LABillzFan said: Interesting. Chose Rosen over Darnold. I think he chose low expectations and irrelevance, no one cares about the Cardinals and he probably prefers it that way. They are both bad teams but no upside to going to Jersey team B. Edited January 8, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I don’t think you know how coaching works. Your'e right, head coaches are not in charge of the side of the ball they didn't formally coordinate. You have won this argument. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Last year’s team was a Jauron special. We just finally got lucky. And as exciting as he was, our qb had a worse qb rating than EJ Manuel. Sorry, I want more than Brian “Bottom 5” Daboll to help him out. Sorry, I’m sick of defending below to average teams. It’s ok to want more in life. I’ve been awaken over years of defending ?. You don't just "luck" into victories. There can be luck involved to win but at the end of the day, luck is not what wins games. They won because they played disciplined, ball hawking good defense and virtually turnover free football. They didn't just luck themselves into it, they earned their 9 victories. Daboll has done lots for this team, and to be honest with you I think his approach has been excellent considering that we have one of the worst offensive rosters in the NFL. Next year when we have a better line, more weapons and most importantly a 2nd year improved Allen, this offense take it to the next level. Which if you hadn't noticed, since week 10, this team has averaged 24 points a game. I don't know about you, but with a rookie QB, horrid line, aging RB's, non existent TE's and young WR's, I'd say that he's done one hell of a job from the first half of the season to the second half. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: They averaged 43.7 points per game and 566 yards with Mahomes. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/texas-tech/2016.html Wasn't he also below 50% for wins with him too? I mean if he's so great with Offense why couldn't he do what the Chiefs have done this year it's not like they have a great defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Your'e right, head coaches are not in charge of the side of the ball they didn't formally coordinate. You have won this argument. Thank you! he got fired because he didn’t pick a good enough DC and didn’t have good enough defensive recruits. So so if he gets a good DC (Wade was begging for a job when the Rams hired him), the Cards got a guy with a damn good record of developing absolute stud qbs. We have parties for throwing for over 200 yards and scoring 2 tds in a game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 He must have wow'd them in the interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Thank you! he got fired because he didn’t pick a good enough DC and didn’t have good enough defensive recruits. So so if he gets a good DC (Wade was begging for a job when the Rams hired him), the Cards got a guy with a damn good record of developing absolute stud qbs. We have parties for throwing for over 200 yards and scoring 2 tds in a game. Good thing he won't have any responsibility for that as Head Coach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Can't wait to see all these teams giving all these young offensive minds HC jobs flame out. Just because it worked with one team that built a great staff around him, doesn't mean it is just a universal success strategy. You also need to be careful when talking about Texas Tech points scored. There offense had a lot more possessions because the defense was so bad. More possessions will general mean more points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Magox said: You don't just "luck" into victories. There can be luck involved to win but at the end of the day, luck is not what wins games. They won because they played disciplined, ball hawking good defense and virtually turnover free football. They didn't just luck themselves into it, they earned their 9 victories. Daboll has done lots for this team, and to be honest with you I think his approach has been excellent considering that we have one of the worst offensive rosters in the NFL. Next year when we have a better line, more weapons and most importantly a 2nd year improved Allen, this offense take it to the next level. Which if you hadn't noticed, since week 10, this team has averaged 24 points a game. I don't know about you, but with a rookie QB, horrid line, aging RB's, non existent TE's and young WR's, I'd say that he's done one hell of a job from the first half of the season to the second half. Dude, it was a Jauron team that got super lucky. And it’s about time because we deserved it but nothing about that year spoke to a good football team. The drought is over but we are an Andy Dalton pass away from SM being on a very hot seat. gun to your head, what’s more likely for a Brian Daboll led offense: Bottom or top 10 finish? It’s like as Bills fans we just pray for something magically to happen where there is absolutely nothing Daboll has shown where he can be a top OC. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: Good thing he won't have any responsibility for that as Head Coach. Also, how about the fact that Mahomes was considered a poor, underdeveloped project QB coming out of College? If Kliff is so good at developing QBs, why was Mahomes considered not NFL ready? Why did he need a year on the bench to develop? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 31 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: What a dumb take. Mahomes had like 50 tds his last year in college and set records his first year as a starter in the nfl. KK didn’t get fires because of his offense. this is exactly the hire the Bills never make. It may not work but at least they went for a homerun. I respect it a ton. Be honest. If the Bills hired a HC from college who was fired because he didn’t win...you would be okay with that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Good thing he won't have any responsibility for that as Head Coach. Yup and if he does, they could really have something. He also doesn’t have to battle schools for recruits. 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Also, how about the fact that Mahomes was considered a poor, underdeveloped project QB coming out of College? If Kliff is so good at developing QBs, why was Mahomes considered not NFL ready? Why did he need a year on the bench to develop? Huh? Andy Reid, one of the best offensive minds of his generation, traded a first round pick to pick him top 10. You’re reaching. Mahomes had 53 total touchdowns his last year in college. its why myself and other posters loved him. He also started Mayfield as a true freshman walk on. But yeah, dude is clearly clueless. 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Be honest. If the Bills hired a HC from college who was fired because he didn’t win...you would be okay with that? If it was a 39 year old guy who developed Mayfield and Mahomes and they were trying to maximize our young qb? I would 100% love it because it’s the move we don’t make. We hire the 5th option, the retread, or the old retired guy. It might blow blow up for them but they swung for the fences. I think Allen would have been awesome In Kingsbury’s system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yup and if he does, they could really have something. He also doesn’t have to battle schools for recruits. Huh? Andy Reid, one of the best offensive minds of his generation, traded a first round pick to pick him top 10. You’re reaching. Mahomes had 53 total touchdowns his last year in college. its why myself and other posters loved him. He also started Mayfield as a true freshman walk on. But yeah, dude is clearly clueless. Oh, did he play his first year in the NFL? Did draft analysts, for the most part, consider him not NFL ready? Are those not facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Oh, did he play his first year in the NFL? Did draft analysts, for the most part, consider him not NFL ready? Are those not facts? Huh? He had 53 tds his last year in college, he got drafted top 10 by a great offensive coach who traded up to get him, sat before a very solid playoff starting qb, and became the MVP this year. You’re reaching here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Huh? He had 53 tds his last year in college, he got drafted top 10 by a great offensive coach who traded up to get him, sat before a very solid playoff starting qb, and became the MVP this year. You’re reaching here. Right and Andy Reid "one of the best offensive minds of his generation" had such confidence in Kingsbury's development of him that he had him sit a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Huh? He had 53 tds his last year in college, he got drafted top 10 by a great offensive coach who traded up to get him, sat before a very solid playoff starting qb, and became the MVP this year. You’re reaching here. And none of that is responsive to what I just said. I am saying 1 + 1 = 2, and you are out here like “No! Apppppples!!!” 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 47 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yup, that’s the big take away. Might not work but they went all in. We left our rookie with the a guy who has been a bottom 5 OC for every year except when he was on fire at 22. Kingsbury has zero NFL experience. I'm surprised he's getting a head coaching job before ever coaching at the pro level. I mean it might work out but leading an NFL team takes a lot more than just designing an offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 These coaching searches are making me feel blessed to have Sean McDermott as the Bills coach and Brian Daboll as the Bills OC....nothing against Kingsbury or Kitchens or Stefanski but I am thinking this QB whisperer/genius Offense Schemer thing has gone too far... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Right and Andy Reid "one of the best offensive minds of his generation" had such confidence in Kingsbury's development of him that he had him sit a year. 1) Mahomes had 53 tds in a college season 2) Reid traded up in the top 10 to draft him 3) he had Mahomes sit for a year because he had a proven nfl starter in Alex Smith 4) PM will be the nfl MVP no Sane person can somehow use this as a knock against KK. It’d be as stupid as saying Lincoln Reilly didn’t prepare Mayfield because he sat right away. and oh yeah, KK started Mayfield as the first ever true freshman walk on Qb. Clearly, he has no idea about offense. Knock KK’s for his lack of a hiring a good DC or defensive recruiting. But you honestly won’t get more excited over him than Brian Daboll? It will be very interesting to see which Josh has the better career. For all my knocks on Allen, this is one where it isn’t his fault. IMO, we could have upgrade his coaching, along with his weapons. But good discussion and enjoy your night. 3 minutes ago, JoeF said: These coaching searches are making me feel blessed to have Sean McDermott as the Bills coach and Brian Daboll as the Bills OC....nothing against Kingsbury or Kitchens or Stefanski but I am thinking this QB whisperer/genius Offense Schemer thing has gone too far... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/DaboBr0.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, HappyDays said: Kingsbury has zero NFL experience. I'm surprised he's getting a head coaching job before ever coaching at the pro level. I mean it might work out but leading an NFL team takes a lot more than just designing an offense. The way Kingsbury handled Mayfield's injury at Tech is classic NFL football. Next man up and if that man performs better kick the incumbent to the curb. He already has that mentality. This may work out...he might have a better record as a pro coach than a college coach. The Cardinals need to invest in a really experienced staff and build a real O-line for Rosen. Rosen needs a great O-line more than Allen to realize his potential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Kingsbury has zero NFL experience. I'm surprised he's getting a head coaching job before ever coaching at the pro level. I mean it might work out but leading an NFL team takes a lot more than just designing an offense. But the point is the nfl has allowed for these college type offenses to succeed. That’s why we expect qbs to produce earlier because pro offenses are more similar to college ones. And given that two guys he just coached in college are two of the best young QBs in the nfl, it’s a great gamble in my mind. i hate the culture word. It’s so stupid. Now what breeds good culture: winning. If the Cards win, they will have a good culture. If not, he will be fired and have to go back to college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Kill off could very much save the career of Josh arisen. Consider me worried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Magox said: You don't just "luck" into victories. I went looking for a gif representing 'pissing in the wind' to illustrate the futility of your effort, but it turned out to be a bad idea. So...hey...you're pissing in the wind. Edited January 8, 2019 by LABillzFan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: 1) Mahomes had 53 tds in a college season 2) Reid traded up in the top 10 to draft him 3) he had Mahomes sit for a year because he had a proven nfl starter in Alex Smith 4) PM will be the nfl MVP no Sane person can somehow use this as a knock against KK. It’d be as stupid as saying Lincoln Reilly didn’t prepare Mayfield because he sat right away. and oh yeah, KK started Mayfield as the first ever true freshman walk on Qb. Clearly, he has no idea about offense. Knock KK’s for his lack of a hiring a good DC or defensive recruiting. But you honestly won’t get more excited over him than Brian Daboll? It will be very interesting to see which Josh has the better career. For all my knocks on Allen, this is one where it isn’t his fault. IMO, we could have upgrade his coaching, along with his weapons. But good discussion and enjoy your night. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/DaboBr0.htm I get it...Daboll has had horrible offenses whenever he has coordinated in the pros. He won a national championship in college as an OC with an inferior QB for 13.5 of 14 games. You are basing so much on Kingsbury in College -- what about Daboll working with Tua --- BTW, Tua didn't look the same last night. How do you go from a guy with superior instincts to a player who can't recognize a blitz in one year?? Might have something to do with coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, JoeF said: I get it...Daboll has had horrible offenses whenever he has coordinated in the pros. He won a national championship in college as an OC with an inferior QB for 13.5 of 14 games. You are basing so much on Kingsbury in College -- what about Daboll working with Tua --- BTW, Tua didn't look the same last night. How do you go from a guy with superior instincts to a player who can't recognize a blitz in one year?? Might have something to do with coaching. Tua probsbly wins the Heisman if he plays in the 4th quarter of games. They choked last night but we could have been the Alabama OC and won a national championship. I believe they’ve had a different OC for each title. Not a super hard job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 29 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yup and if he does, they could really have something. He also doesn’t have to battle schools for recruits. Huh? Andy Reid, one of the best offensive minds of his generation, traded a first round pick to pick him top 10. You’re reaching. Mahomes had 53 total touchdowns his last year in college. its why myself and other posters loved him. He also started Mayfield as a true freshman walk on. But yeah, dude is clearly clueless. If it was a 39 year old guy who developed Mayfield and Mahomes and they were trying to maximize our young qb? I would 100% love it because it’s the move we don’t make. We hire the 5th option, the retread, or the old retired guy. It might blow blow up for them but they swung for the fences. I think Allen would have been awesome In Kingsbury’s system. He couldn’t win at Texas Tech at the college level with a conference that doesn’t play defense. He also didn’t develop Mayfield. McDermott isn’t a retread, 5th option or old/retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said: Kill off could very much save the career of Josh arisen. Consider me worried Why would that worry you? Rosen is in the NFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 They didn't hire him as the QB coach or the Offensive coordinator they hired him as the Head Coach. He will be responsible for all of it and the job he had closest to that was as Head Coach of a college team. The metric for rating a college HC is his win/loss record and his isn't great especially to jump all the way to HC in the NFL. I mean his best season was his first that isn't good in college. Who really thinks "well their record was bad but their offense was great so I guess that cancels out." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillswin Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I cannot explain to you guys how beautiful the coaches in the NFC West are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 hours ago, LABillzFan said: Interesting. Chose Rosen over Darnold. He probably choose the Arizona sports media over the New York City media folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I don’t think you know how coaching works. So when the bills defense was terrible under Rex Ryan it wasn’t his fault because he was the head coach, and to think everyone was blaming rex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Why would that worry you? Rosen is in the NFC. Because we’ll have Bills fans crying “we should have taken Josh Rosen,” the way they say “We should have taken Pat Mahomes.” It’s time to move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Has this ever happened before? Where someone who failed at the college level as badly as he did makes a leap into getting an NFL head coaching job before doing anything in between? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Tua probsbly wins the Heisman if he plays in the 4th quarter of games. They choked last night but we could have been the Alabama OC and won a national championship. I believe they’ve had a different OC for each title. Not a super hard job. The Tide has lost two of their last three title games (Sorry @Sky Diver)-- Kiffin/Sarkisian-L; Locksley-L; Daboll-W -- just stating facts. Nick is not exactly an offensive guru--although the kicker as a lead blocker play showed some innovative thinking. I love exchanges like this @C.Biscuit97 The results won't be known until a couple of years from now. I hope the Cardinals give Kliff time. I loved him as a player.. My other questions... 1) Does this move mean NFL life for Johnny Football??? 2) Does Mike Leach become Kliff's OC and mentor??? 3) Does Larry Fitzgerald play another year??? Edited January 8, 2019 by JoeF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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