Marijuana to treat CTE in NFL players

[row_33]

1 minute ago, BUFFALOKIE said:

I had to look up "palliative". Appropriate term for CBD/THC, I suppose.

 

I love, but miss the stuff. I admit it does nothing but mask the problem. Same as any painkiller or anxiety/depression drug...albeit with fewer detrimental side effects or addiction concerns.

 

You haven’t come across the term in life???

 

i can list 12 people put into palliative care the last year.

 

it means “in real life” that nothing more can be done and they are off to die in a quasi-hospital bed situation.

 

 

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

You haven’t come across the term in life???

 

i can list 12 people put into palliative care the last year.

 

it means “in real life” that nothing more can be done and they are off to die in a quasi-hospital bed situation.

 

 

 

With my father they called it “Comfort Care”. You could see that sink in with him. I’ll never forget that.....

[Victory Formation]

4 minutes ago, Steptide said:

What do you use it for? 

Bipolar disorder. Pretty much acts as a mood stabilizer, helps with depression, anxiety, nausea and lack of appetite. CBD I take 3 times a day, weed I'll smoke sporadically. I do think there are healing benefits to THC, love combining the two together it's amazing. I prefer being sober though in my natural state so I don't smoke daily, I may smoke for a month and then take a month off. Once again though, the CBD is nonnegotiable, that must be taken daily.

[Augie]

Don’t worry, folks. I have been informed that weed is probably safer than heroin. My source says he’s very well informed. 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

Don’t worry, folks. I have been informed that weed is probably safer than heroin. My source says he’s very well informed. 

Well, you’re completely wrong.  I had 4 friends die of marijuana overdoses.  It’s not a joke!!!!

 

the nfl is probably the dumbest sports league in the world.  Luckily, football prints money.  Let’s keep testing the players for weed!  Who cares about pain pills, coke, heroin, shrooms, acid, Molly. Weed is destroying lives!!!

[BUFFALOKIE]

1 hour ago, BUFFALOKIE said:

I had to look up "palliative". Appropriate term for CBD/THC, I suppose.

 

I love, but miss the stuff. I admit it does nothing but mask the problem. Same as any painkiller or anxiety/depression drug...albeit with fewer detrimental side effects or addiction concerns.

No, I had never heard that term. And that was not my point. Mom has some years left not in a hospice situation. Point is CBD is reducing her pain and emotional discomfort. You do not need to be on your death bead to appreciate that.

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

 

You haven’t come across the term in life???

 

i can list 12 people put into palliative care the last year.

 

it means “in real life” that nothing more can be done and they are off to die in a quasi-hospital bed situation.

 

 

I quoted myself instead of you. Oops.please see my reply.

 

Are you MD?

[Royale with Cheese]

2 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

I don't see CTE at all in that article...

 

I believe that would be under the traumatic brain injury category in which is mentioned in the article.  

[BringBackOrton]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I believe that would be under the traumatic brain injury category in which is mentioned in the article.  

It’s not. Your belief is incorrect.

[Alphadawg7]

15 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

Just a random thought, hope I am not violating the tos and I am sorry if I am but I am awfully curious about this topic. Obviously marijuana is banned by the NFL, but I've wondered for quite some time if football players smoke because it relieves symptoms of CTE. Do any of you think this is possible? It would be pretty tragic if the NFL banned a substance that could benefit their players mental health, especially with something as serious as CTE. I know weed helps treat a myriad of illnesses from bipolar disorder all the way down to arthritis and inflammation. Could marijuana benefit players and should the NFL take it off its banned substances list? It would be a shame if the NFL was taking away something that could be beneficial to its players. Do you guys think weed could actually help the NFL? Thoughts?

 

I don't know if it will or won't affect CTE, but I know it works on a number of things that traditional medicine doesn't work on.  Doctors at UCLA Medical that I know who work on breast cancer research say they call marijuana "The Cancer Killer" because they literally watch it kill cancer cells regularly.  They looked me right in the eye and said 100% for sure, cannabis was going to cure cancer.  

 

I also have a close friend whose young son would have 20+ seizures a day and had little functional brain development as a result.  Despite exceptional medical care and trying everything, it was only cannabis that helped.  Within 1 hour of his first administration of cannabis treatment, his eyes already had more focus in it and his personally and brain function completely improved.  He went from having 20+ seizures a day most of his young life, to instantly not having a seizure for more than 2 weeks after he started cannabis treatment.  And now rarely haves them after over a year of treatment.

 

My ex girlfriends Uncle had an inoperable massive brain tumor.  There was nothing they could do for him, and they gave him 6 months to live.  He tried what is called "Rick Simpsons Oil", also known as "Phoenix Tears" in some parts, and not only did he not die, but his tumor continued to aggressively shrink until it was completely gone during that "6 months to live" time frame..  His doctor just called him a "miracle" rather than acknowledge what really happened.  Its been 8 years now, cancer free and very much alive.  A similar thing happened in a little boy name Waldo and there is a full length documentary coming out on him next year from my director friend Tommy (same director who just released the doc "The Bill Murray Stories" (which is excellent by the way).  

 

I mean I could go on and on and on about real stories of real people who have had some type of cannabis medicinal application fix, cure, or help a serious condition that traditional medicine fails at.  So the NFL 100% should explore the use of cannabis to treat CTE, especially in retired players.  

[Dr.Sack]

THC & CBD work better than opioids.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Well, you’re completely wrong.  I had 4 friends die of marijuana overdoses.  It’s not a joke!!!!

 

the nfl is probably the dumbest sports league in the world.  Luckily, football prints money.  Let’s keep testing the players for weed!  Who cares about pain pills, coke, heroin, shrooms, acid, Molly. Weed is destroying lives!!!

 

Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not...but in case you aren't or someone else thinks its a real statement, I want to point out this is 100% false.

 

I mean if it was true, then you should call the news and the heads of medicine and alert the world on this breaking news.  Because as of right now, there isnt a single recorded death in any country, state, tribe, island, etc in all of recorded human history attributed to an "overdose" of cannabis.  Its actually scientifically and medically impossible to "overdose" smoking weed.  The amount of weed you would have to smoke/ingest in a very short period of time is so substantial, that you would die of things like oxygen deprivation long long long before you would overdose from the weed itself.  

Edited December 28, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[billsfan89]

Marijuana could certainly help with killing pain and keeping retired players away from much more dangerous pain killers. As far as CTE I think maybe CBD oil and other treatments might be worth studying as alternative treatments but straight weed isn't going to help guys recover from a brain injury, weed isn't as harmful a drug as alchol or harder drugs but it isn't a magic plant either. Weed tends to have a negative effect on your cognition if you are a chronic user so I don't see how it would help with CTE.

Edited December 28, 2018 by billsfan89

[BillyWhiteShows]

3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Doc: Here, take this for your pain.

 

Team: You’re suspended.

 

NFL:  Here is the banned substance list and the procedure for

3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Doc: Here, take this for your pain.

 

Team: You’re suspended.

 

Not what happened with Seantrel if that’s what you’re getting at

[Victory Formation]

58 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

Marijuana could certainly help with killing pain and keeping retired players away from much more dangerous pain killers. As far as CTE I think maybe CBD oil and other treatments might be worth studying as alternative treatments but straight weed isn't going to help guys recover from a brain injury, weed isn't as harmful a drug as alchol or harder drugs but it isn't a magic plant either. Weed tends to have a negative effect on your cognition if you are a chronic user so I don't see how it would help with CTE.

If you take CBD with THC the psychoactive effects are much more under control. I wouldn't smoke if I didn't take CBD, they need to be taken together. I don't notice too many dumb moments but that may be because I only pack 2 hitters at a time. I am not a pothead and despise that culture, should not be used like that. It's the same thing as having a glass of wine, 1-2 glasses are fine, but you're not supposed to drink the whole bottle. Same thing for weed, you'll never see me taking rips from a gas mask bong or smoking a blunt, I don't use it like that. 2 hits lasts 4 hours.

Edited December 28, 2018 by NewDayBills

[Bfanlc]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I don't know if it will or won't affect CTE, but I know it works on a number of things that traditional medicine doesn't work on.  Doctors at UCLA Medical that I know who work on breast cancer research say they call marijuana "The Cancer Killer" because they literally watch it kill cancer cells regularly.  They looked me right in the eye and said 100% for sure, cannabis was going to cure cancer.  

 

I also have a close friend whose young son would have 20+ seizures a day and had little functional brain development as a result.  Despite exceptional medical care and trying everything, it was only cannabis that helped.  Within 1 hour of his first administration of cannabis treatment, his eyes already had more focus in it and his personally and brain function completely improved.  He went from having 20+ seizures a day most of his young life, to instantly not having a seizure for more than 2 weeks after he started cannabis treatment.  And now rarely haves them after over a year of treatment.

 

My ex girlfriends Uncle had an inoperable massive brain tumor.  There was nothing they could do for him, and they gave him 6 months to live.  He tried what is called "Rick Simpsons Oil", also known as "Phoenix Tears" in some parts, and not only did he not die, but his tumor continued to aggressively shrink until it was completely gone during that "6 months to live" time frame..  His doctor just called him a "miracle" rather than acknowledge what really happened.  Its been 8 years now, cancer free and very much alive.  A similar thing happened in a little boy name Waldo and there is a full length documentary coming out on him next year from my director friend Tommy (same director who just released the doc "The Bill Murray Stories" (which is excellent by the way).  

 

I mean I could go on and on and on about real stories of real people who have had some type of cannabis medicinal application fix, cure, or help a serious condition that traditional medicine fails at.  So the NFL 100% should explore the use of cannabis to treat CTE, especially in retired players.  

The NFL isn't a medical institute they aren't going to allow any drug until society accepts it and believe it or not society hasn't accepted it yet. I personally dont want or think we need a society of people doped up. I don't do any medication if it can be helped. Things are so bad right now with drug use why would you make anything legal? As far as treating people with a medical condition that's totally different and understandable.  

 

However if you guys think marijuana use doesn't kill people or that people haven't died because they've used it you are incorrect.  In blood toxicology tests done in my state marijuana was the leading drug found in accidents where blood work was done. If you dont think it messes you up with cognitive function then you may want to reassess.

[billsfan89]

17 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

If you take CBD with THC the psychoactive effects are much more under control. I wouldn't smoke if I didn't take CBD, they need to be taken together. I don't notice too many dumb moments but that may be because I only pack 2 hitters at a time. I am not a pothead and despise that culture, should not be used like that. It's the same thing as having a glass of wine, 1-2 glasses are fine, but you're not supposed to drink the whole bottle. Same thing for weed, you'll never see me taking rips from a gas mask bong or smoking a blunt, I don't use it like that. 2 hits lasts 4 hours.

 

Yes but if you are suffering from CTE I don't think weed will help your brain is my main point. Chronic weed use has been associated with negative effects on the brain (That being said most if not all of the effects are reversible if you stop using over a long period of time.) So unless there is new research showing otherwise I think the better argument for weed is to treat pain for these retired players. CBD might be better for CTE but I think research needs to be done.  

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said:

It’s not. Your belief is incorrect.

 

The T is CTE stands for trauma.

CTE is a degeneration if brain tissue caused by repeated exposure to tramautic brain injury.

 

So yeah, you’re wrong.

[Bing Bong]

3 hours ago, Augie said:

Don’t worry, folks. I have been informed that weed is probably safer than heroin. My source says he’s very well informed. 

The trick with heroin is not sharing needles.

 

That way you'll be up spin Ally without any disease. (Other than crippling addiction)

Edited December 28, 2018 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[Augie]

1 minute ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

The trick with heroin is not sharing needles.

....or dying. 

 

Is it heroin? Is it Fentanyl? You can die snorting it, no needles there. 

[BringBackOrton]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The T is CTE stands for trauma.

CTE is a degeneration if brain tissue caused by repeated exposure to tramautic brain injury.

 

So yeah, you’re wrong.

Oooh oooh do the C and the E next.

[Royale with Cheese]

13 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Oooh oooh do the C and the E next.

The white flag has been waved.

[BringBackOrton]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

The white flag has been waved.

I wonder if you know the difference between chronic and acute.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said:

I wonder if you know the difference between chronic and acute.

LOL it does not matter.  It’s still a traumatic brain injury which you argued it wasn’t.

 

Got it to get a bigger shovel...

[tcampbell104]

7 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

Is the legal aspect mostly involving non-smoking use?  You can’t smoke in almost any social environment. 

that will probably change eventually

[Alphadawg7]

5 hours ago, Bfanlc said:

The NFL isn't a medical institute they aren't going to allow any drug until society accepts it and believe it or not society hasn't accepted it yet. I personally dont want or think we need a society of people doped up. I don't do any medication if it can be helped. Things are so bad right now with drug use why would you make anything legal? As far as treating people with a medical condition that's totally different and understandable.  

 

However if you guys think marijuana use doesn't kill people or that people haven't died because they've used it you are incorrect.  In blood toxicology tests done in my state marijuana was the leading drug found in accidents where blood work was done. If you dont think it messes you up with cognitive function then you may want to reassess.

 

So its ok to have a society who is drunk?  Sorry, but that statement makes utterly no sense. Just because something is legal doesn't mean its now something people use all day long for one.  Second, its a million times safer and less impactful than poisons like opioids.  

 

And as far as killing people...you are completely wrong and made false conclusions off a false narrative of some story you read.  The 100% facts are that there is not a single recorded death in all human history in any country, state, village, tribe, etc that is attributed to cannabis use.  Yet people die from drinking alcohol, eating peanuts, even drinking too much water every year...not one death ever attributed to the prolonged use of cannabis.  Its literally medically impossible to even over dose from cannabis.

 

Now, can someone make a poor decision while using cannabis like drive and die in an accident, sure, just like they can when using a Vicodin, alcohol and many other "legal" substances..  And the reason its shows up in blood toxicology tests is because its detectable for many months after use where things like alcohol and most narcotics are no longer detectable within days.  It does NOT mean it was recently used or was the cause of the "accidents" as you are implying in your "findings".  In fact, in legalized states cannabis related "accidents" are a minute fraction compared to drinking and distracted driving accidents (texting, eating, makeup, etc).  The gap between them is massive in terms of occurrences.  

 

So sorry, cannabis is light years safer than many other legal products in terms of public danger.  And its never killed anyone from the use of it in the history of the world.  

Edited December 29, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[BringBackOrton]

3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

LOL it does not matter.  It’s still a traumatic brain injury which you argued it wasn’t.

 

Got it to get a bigger shovel...

And it’s not the same thing as a TBI. Try to keep up.

[benderbender]

The way you can tell if the person vigorously defending marijuana is an expert is to ask them if weed use has any side effects or long term complications. If the answer is anything but “No, and it also cures cancer,” you’re not talking to a PhD in whacky tobaccy.

[row_33]

4 hours ago, tcampbell104 said:

that will probably change eventually

 

How do you mean?

 

Smoking of tobacco will be allowed again in public areas?

 

 

[BigDingus]

On 12/27/2018 at 10:07 PM, BringBackOrton said:

This a post filled with misinformation about the health benefits of marijuana.

 

its not a magic plant dude.

 

Yeah, it's not magic. It's science. 

Your post is the one that is problematic. Simply casting doubt on something doesn't make you correct. There's a plethora of medical & scientific research showing an overwhelming amount of positive health benefits obtained through marijuana.

No, that doesn't mean simply smoking pot just cures everything. Many of the benefits come from the compounds extracted from it, and the delivery method isn't inhaling vapors & smoke. But the source of those substances is still marijuana, and they help a variety of ailments (and have proven to be much SAFER than alternatives currently available).

So just saying "it's not a magical plant dude" is pointless. Cars & trucks aren't "magical" transportation, but they sure are quicker & make traveling more convenient than just walking. Guns aren't "magical," but they sure are more effective & efficient in killing people compared to a spoon...I mean, you could technically kill someone with one, but the gun would work a lot better. Blankets aren't "magical," but they sure are more efficient at keeping you warm & retaining heat than trying to collect a bunch of tiny kittens, covering them over your body, and hoping they stay in place. You could certainly do that, but if there's a better option like using a blanket, why go for the kittens (which also may have unintended side effects like allergies, scratches, noise and defecating on you)?

 

Sometimes, people trying to dismiss marijuana may as well be asking you to tackle your problems by the kitten method. Sure, popping a bunch of highly addictive pain medications that destroy your liver and body CAN help ease some issues, but if there's an alternative that's more effective while simultaneously being less dangerous, wouldn't it be wise to explore that option?

[row_33]

20 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

Yeah, it's not magic. It's science. 

Your post is the one that is problematic. Simply casting doubt on something doesn't make you correct. There's a plethora of medical & scientific research showing an overwhelming amount of positive health benefits obtained through marijuana.

No, that doesn't mean simply smoking pot just cures everything. Many of the benefits come from the compounds extracted from it, and the delivery method isn't inhaling vapors & smoke. But the source of those substances is still marijuana, and they help a variety of ailments (and have proven to be much SAFER than alternatives currently available).

So just saying "it's not a magical plant dude" is pointless. Cars & trucks aren't "magical" transportation, but they sure are quicker & make traveling more convenient than just walking. Guns aren't "magical," but they sure are more effective & efficient in killing people compared to a spoon...I mean, you could technically kill someone with one, but the gun would work a lot better. Blankets aren't "magical," but they sure are more efficient at keeping you warm & retaining heat than trying to collect a bunch of tiny kittens, covering them over your body, and hoping they stay in place. You could certainly do that, but if there's a better option like using a blanket, why go for the kittens (which also may have unintended side effects like allergies, scratches, noise and defecating on you)?

 

Sometimes, people trying to dismiss marijuana may as well be asking you to tackle your problems by the kitten method. Sure, popping a bunch of highly addictive pain medications that destroy your liver and body CAN help ease some issues, but if there's an alternative that's more effective while simultaneously being less dangerous, wouldn't it be wise to explore that option?

 

Science to you means anything that agrees with your presuppositions and prejudices and fantasies 

 

 

 

To get a drug approved requires a lot more proven effectiveness than just-so stories or witty anecdotes at dinner parties 

 

the lies and nonsense in the name of this drug is piled to the moon and back a million times already

[TonyBeets]

8 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Science to you means anything that agrees with your presuppositions and prejudices and fantasies 

 

 

 

To get a drug approved requires a lot more proven effectiveness than just-so stories or witty anecdotes at dinner parties 

 

the lies and nonsense in the name of this drug is piled to the moon and back a million times already

Great post

[Royale with Cheese]

9 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

And it’s not the same thing as a TBI. Try to keep up.

 

Geezus.  CTE is caused by traumatic brain injuries.  How in the world are you arguing this is beyond me.

[Punching Bag]

On 12/27/2018 at 11:09 PM, BillyWhiteShows said:

 

Seantrel Henderson disagrees

 

And he disagreed before he had any kind of issues other than wanting a buzz.

[Shamrock]

On 12/28/2018 at 5:11 PM, Augie said:

 

Yeah, if the FDA shows up and says they're there to help you, just consider them the sibling of the IRS. Very helpful indeed.

 

What’s your name?  “Ben. Ben Dover.” 

 

 

 

@plenzmd1 has a free prize for the first person to get the reference! 

I was rummaging through my memory and came to Clark Griswold and then on to Chevy Chase as Fletch?

[peterpan]

What I'm about to post is medical science  fundamentally agreed upon by the world wide medical community.  It is knowledge that is taught to med students around the globe and is printed in their text books. It's not politically popular but it is the scientific knowledge of the plant.

 

Marijuana is known - known - to bring out psychological disorders in people whom are already predisposed to those conditions, but may have them suppressed.  Things like bipolar disorder or something more serious like schizophrenia

 

.  I personally know someone who was perfectly normal and got into pot, and within weeks was basically nuts. He is now locked up in the Looney bin. 

 

So basically everything the doctors know about cte and pot means they would never try mixing it

 

Edited December 29, 2018 by peterpan

[BillyWhiteShows]

12 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

So its ok to have a society who is drunk?  Sorry, but that statement makes utterly no sense. Just because something is legal doesn't mean its now something people use all day long for one.  Second, its a million times safer and less impactful than poisons like opioids.  

 

And as far as killing people...you are completely wrong and made false conclusions off a false narrative of some story you read.  The 100% facts are that there is not a single recorded death in all human history in any country, state, village, tribe, etc that is attributed to cannabis use.  Yet people die from drinking alcohol, eating peanuts, even drinking too much water every year...not one death ever attributed to the prolonged use of cannabis.  Its literally medically impossible to even over dose from cannabis.

 

Now, can someone make a poor decision while using cannabis like drive and die in an accident, sure, just like they can when using a Vicodin, alcohol and many other "legal" substances..  And the reason its shows up in blood toxicology tests is because its detectable for many months after use where things like alcohol and most narcotics are no longer detectable within days.  It does NOT mean it was recently used or was the cause of the "accidents" as you are implying in your "findings".  In fact, in legalized states cannabis related "accidents" are a minute fraction compared to drinking and distracted driving accidents (texting, eating, makeup, etc).  The gap between them is massive in terms of occurrences.  

 

So sorry, cannabis is light years safer than many other legal products in terms of public danger.  And its never killed anyone from the use of it in the history of the world.  

 

....Yeah, this isn’t true. 

[The Now Moment]

Cannabis does cause harm, but the harm comes from heavy long-term use and is mostly linked to mental health – lasting physical harm is unlikely, while poisoning or death is unheard of.

 

 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

51 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said:

 

....Yeah, this isn’t true. 

 

Um yes it is...its 100% true, accurate and factual.  There is only one death in question which occurred in 2017 involving the death of an 11 month year old boy.  Some try to tie cannabis as an accidental overdose, but its highly debated in the medical community to be the cause the death by many medical professionals.  

[BringBackOrton]

10 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

Yeah, it's not magic. It's science. 

Your post is the one that is problematic. Simply casting doubt on something doesn't make you correct. There's a plethora of medical & scientific research showing an overwhelming amount of positive health benefits obtained through marijuana.

No, that doesn't mean simply smoking pot just cures everything. Many of the benefits come from the compounds extracted from it, and the delivery method isn't inhaling vapors & smoke. But the source of those substances is still marijuana, and they help a variety of ailments (and have proven to be much SAFER than alternatives currently available).

So just saying "it's not a magical plant dude" is pointless. Cars & trucks aren't "magical" transportation, but they sure are quicker & make traveling more convenient than just walking. Guns aren't "magical," but they sure are more effective & efficient in killing people compared to a spoon...I mean, you could technically kill someone with one, but the gun would work a lot better. Blankets aren't "magical," but they sure are more efficient at keeping you warm & retaining heat than trying to collect a bunch of tiny kittens, covering them over your body, and hoping they stay in place. You could certainly do that, but if there's a better option like using a blanket, why go for the kittens (which also may have unintended side effects like allergies, scratches, noise and defecating on you)?

 

Sometimes, people trying to dismiss marijuana may as well be asking you to tackle your problems by the kitten method. Sure, popping a bunch of highly addictive pain medications that destroy your liver and body CAN help ease some issues, but if there's an alternative that's more effective while simultaneously being less dangerous, wouldn't it be wise to explore that option?

Show me a controlled, double blinded study for 90% of the claimed health benefits.

 

They don’t exist. They have proven nothing. 

 

I will be skeptical of the miracles of marijuana until they prove it. And once it’s proven, I’ll accept it. But the “research” you claim isn’t good enough. Asking 100 people who believe in marijuana magic if it makes them feel good isn’t the standard for medical decision making. 100 people who take placebo will also say it feels good.

3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Geezus.  CTE is caused by traumatic brain injuries.  How in the world are you arguing this is beyond me.

It’s actually thought to be caused by years of chronic, sub-concussive impacts. TBI’s are not the same thing. 

Edited December 29, 2018 by BringBackOrton

[TuelTime]

10 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

Science to you means anything that agrees with your presuppositions and prejudices and fantasies 

 

 

 

To get a drug approved requires a lot more proven effectiveness than just-so stories or witty anecdotes at dinner parties 

 

the lies and nonsense in the name of this drug is piled to the moon and back a million times already

 

 

Are you kidding me? Do you have any idea how pharmaceutical companies get their drugs approved? You do know these companies knowingly sell drugs that will harm users, but they stand to make fortunes even after paying out settlements and lawyer fees, so they release them anyways. Big Pharma is not your friend, and the politicians and the FDA are on their payroll.

 

Marijuana wasn't made illegal because it is a harmful substance. It was a calculated move by the rich and powerful to maintain their wealth and power. It is not a "tinfoil hat" conspiracy. It is the truth. Do the research.

 

So much ignorance and misinformation in this thread. The amount of brainwashed citizens in this country never ceases to amaze me. News Flash: Most of what you were taught in high school were lies and propaganda used to breed ignorant nationalists who won't question their government.