Dadonkadonk Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 29 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: exactly. Takes 2 to complete a throw and catch. And a better WR corps means more complete passes regardless of Allen's accuracy. Every QB needs a WR to bail him out sometimes. Every good offense has 1-3 of that caliber WR. I've been BEGGING for a good wr these last 2 years. A real top 10 guy. Never KB. They had one. Watkins was great and Beane traded him away. He made tough catches. He wasn't as good as the draft picks given up to get him but he is the best WR they have had since Moulds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 57 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: This is not a great catch, it might be a great play, esp considering Allen is under extreme pressure but itis not a great catch. 95% of NFL WRS are going to make that catch being uncontested. No they arent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 The OP poses an interesting question. It seems to me there haven't been many (if any) balls that should have been incomplete but the receiver made a great catch. There have been plenty of drops though. Normally, you'd expect the drops and great catches to more-or-less even out - providing the QB with a fair-enough stat line. Not so this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, MDH said: And Allen doesn’t bail them out with more catchable balls. His placement isn’t great and he only has one throw - bullet! Everybody has work to do but people keep wanting to run the WRs into the ground for all their mistakes to give Allen a pass. Everyone realizes that this WR core are all in their 1st or 2nd years, yeah? They’re almost all street FAs too. The fact that I keep seeing people rip Zay for the “drop” against Miami tells me all O need to know. He was mugged by the DB on that play and if he had managed to still come up with the catch despite the PI it would have been amazing. But somehow not coming up with that catch is a “drop” in some posters minds? Was it PI??? Maybe and seen it called plenty, but certainly was not a mugging. Zay made a great play, got both hands on the ball (and underneath) but as per usual with Bills receivers then bobbled it and it was overturned. 5 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: No they arent It was a perfect pass and he caught it. Nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: Zay made a pretty one on the sideline recently. 1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said: Robert Foster's 75 yd TD was an awesome catch. The fact that these are our standards of "great catch" is kinda sad considering they're pretty routine catches by NFL standards. The answer is no. I'm already exhausted by the inevitable ignorance of the national media when it comes to the incredible lack of talent on our WR corps and the "well, that's who Josh Allen is!!!" narrative that's going to come when talking about his completion % and turnovers. Here's an article, of course a local-based publication, that gets it: https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/12/10/josh-allen-dazzles-for-buffalo-bills-but-needs-more-around-him-to-shine-new-york-jets-sam-darnold/ Josh Allen dazzles for Bills but needs more around him to shine Something that stands out though to nearly every fan who’s watched Allen try and work his magic on nearly every play is just how much Allen is able to do with the “weapons” he has. The team’s tight end position has been a non-factor and their receiving core is made up of guys who all haven’t been in Buffalo for more than two seasons. Not to mention, Allen is currently the team’s leading rusher. A lot of that falls on the team’s offensive line. Heading into the contest, Pro Football Focus ranked the Bills’ starting five as the second-worst run-blocking group in the NFL. Their pass-blocking also failed to show on Sunday. In total, Allen was hit 10 times which including three sacks. Standing at a podium following the game, Allen looked defeated and beat up. From what Allen has had to work with this season, he isn’t exactly working miracles but he’s not far off. On the other side of the field on Sunday, No. 3 overall pick Sam Darnold doesn’t have a fantastic supporting cast, but they sure as heck looked like one compared to Allen’s. In fact, he took zero QB hits in the game and his receiving core is miles ahead of Buffalo’s. Robby Anderson made Tre’Davious White look bad, which is rare. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said: Neither were great catches. They were catches. I mentioned the Holmes catch as I knew someone would say that. Zay kept his feet in bounds and congrats that he didn't bobble the ball. He is paid to make catches like that. I'm talking a wow catch. BTW the over-turned catch the last minute vs. the Dolphins was classic Zay. He made a good play and then bobbled it and it hit the ground. Every week you see Thomas on NO, Antonio Bryant, Hill, Hopkins or Julio and countless others making great catches. Would be nice to see just one by a Bill. It’s gotten so bad I find myself saying “wow!” Almost any time anybody catches a ball.....? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: There hasn't been a single one this season that I can recall. Foster had a gem of a leaping grab in New Jersey on a Barkley 50/50 ball, but other than that I can't really remember one. It's at 5:30 on this video: https://www.buffalobills.com/video/bills-vs-jets-highlights-week-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Foster had a gem of a leaping grab in New Jersey on a Barkley 50/50 ball, but other than that I can't really remember one. It's at 5:30 on this video: https://www.buffalobills.com/video/bills-vs-jets-highlights-week-10 It was a nice one for sure with an excellent adjustment made by Foster. I still wouldn't call it great. Speaking of Foster, he has made the best in-season progress I can recall from any Bills' player. The transformation from his 1st stint on the 53 has been striking. Kudos to him and the coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 The answer is not really, but the WR group was trash last season and I seem tor recall most people saying receivers were interchangeable and the QB is the only guy who mattered. Motives aside, clearly the Bills need to add a legit number 1 receiver. I don't think that's much of a revelation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Drop after drop and have to ask the question as to has a receiver made a great catch all year? Don't say Holmes on that 77 yd td as it hit him right in the hands. I'm talking a catch where the receiver is laid out or caught it with one hand or out-muscled a DB. I think Holmes did adjust to one ball this year to make a nice catch with the DB tring to bust it up. As said before, these receivers are just awful. I don't disagree that our receivers aren't very good, but how relevant is it to not have made crazy, highlight reel catches? How much impact on wins and losses do you think that really has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Foster had a gem of a leaping grab in New Jersey on a Barkley 50/50 ball, but other than that I can't really remember one. It's at 5:30 on this video: https://www.buffalobills.com/video/bills-vs-jets-highlights-week-10 Yep he made an adjustment and made the catch, which is expected when the DB didn't see the pass. AB make that catch every single week. Bills are so beaten down that as another poster stated that just catching the ball one goes "wow" 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: I don't disagree that our receivers aren't very good, but how relevant is it to not have made crazy, highlight reel catches? How much impact on wins and losses do you think that really has? Really????? How many TD passes do we see where one is convinced the receiver is OB and then see the footwork. Happens all the time and often game changers. Case in point yesterday. Clay catches that easy pass over the middle & runs for 20 more yards (vs. Allen fumbling the next play) and you don't think it matters? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Robert Foster's 75 yd TD was an awesome catch. Really! How quickly the OP forgets.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 hours ago, RiotAct said: yes, lots of wide receivers have made great catches this season!!! Unfortunately, only one or two for the Bills [rimshot] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, Chandler#81 said: Really! How quickly the OP forgets.. No no, a few posters upthread said it was a "normal" catch and how quickly our standards have fallen. Thankfully, many more disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 And I called him Holmes (as said receivers almost interchangeable). That Foster catch was a catch that I made 1,000 times playing with friends as a kid. Run put your hands up and ball hits you in hands. How low are Bill's fan's standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 25 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Yep he made an adjustment and made the catch, which is expected when the DB didn't see the pass. AB make that catch every single week. Bills are so beaten down that as another poster stated that just catching the ball one goes "wow" The OP asked for a great catch; that was a great catch. It wasn't an all-time great catch, but it qualifies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Yeah, I can agree with that. I don't think Thieln/Diggs do it multiple times weekly... together sure. They each have one "tough" catch per game. Sometimes 2. OBJ, Antonio Brown, AJ Green usually have 1 a week. It's that catch that our receivers don't make to keep the chains moving. Then there's the right in your damn hands Clay type drops that kill drives, along with stupid penalties by our OL. Top receivers rarely drop the easy ones that hit them in the hands with no one around. We seem to have 3-4 of these per game. Give Josh 5-7 more completions per game on catchable passes and his numbers look way better. I bet that keeps momentum going, instills confidence and puts 7-14 more points on the board per game. Our WR are a MAJOR problem along with the OL. Edited December 10, 2018 by BillsRdue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: No they arent Sure they are, very easy catch for an NFL player, I am not saying 95% of WRs wil get that type of separation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallskiWallski83 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Had Josh Allen caught that Philly special play yesterday it would have been the best catch by a buffalo bill all year. Just let that sit in for a bit .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, TallskiWallski83 said: Had Josh Allen caught that Philly special play yesterday it would have been the best catch by a buffalo bill all year. Just let that sit in for a bit .... In Buffalo it's the Chilly Special. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I recall Croom having a catch where he went up and got the ball and made the QB look good, but for the most part, we do not have that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: In Buffalo it's the Chilly Special. The Billy Special, which yesterday was the Billsy Special. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 59 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Sure they are, very easy catch for an NFL player, I am not saying 95% of WRs wil get that type of separation See an awful lot of those ruled out ofbounds bobbled and even dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, formerlyofCtown said: See an awful lot of those ruled out ofbounds bobbled and even dropped. Watching a lot of Bills games huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Watching a lot of Bills games huh? Watching a lot of games in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 A better question for this thread would have been: "has any Buffalo WR, TE or RB made a catch worthy of showing over & over again on ESPN"? The answer is ONE and that was the DeMarco garb of a poorly thrown Allen pass on a wheel rout. I do not recall a single other catch by a receiver that wasn't a better pass by Allen then catch by the receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Yep he made an adjustment and made the catch, which is expected when the DB didn't see the pass. AB make that catch every single week. Bills are so beaten down that as another poster stated that just catching the ball one goes "wow" That Foster catch was so routine. Any WR worth his salt should make that without us freaking out about how glorious it is he caught it. It's called being aggressive to the ball.. EVERY WR should grab the ball when the DB isn't paying attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I don't really care about GREAT catches. I am more concerned about the constant DROPS. Forget making the highlight play. Just make the easy ones, and this team improves by leaps and bounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: That Foster catch was so routine. Any WR worth his salt should make that without us freaking out about how glorious it is he caught it. It's called being aggressive to the ball.. EVERY WR should grab the ball when the DB isn't paying attention. Um, who said it was glorious? It was a great catch on a 50/50 ball. Should WRs make great catches routinely? Yeah, probably. If your characterization of that catch is "DB isn't paying attention", well, you need to watch it again. He simply plays the ball better than Claiborne, who had indeed turned on the ball. Honestly I have no idea why anyone would feel the need to marginalize that play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, TallskiWallski83 said: Had Josh Allen caught that Philly special play yesterday it would have been the best catch by a buffalo bill all year. Just let that sit in for a bit Sad but true! Josh really did look quite athletic going for it too Edited December 10, 2018 by Jerome007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 23 minutes ago, mjt328 said: I don't really care about GREAT catches. I am more concerned about the constant DROPS. Forget making the highlight play. Just make the easy ones, and this team improves by leaps and bounds. I'm concerned about BOTH types of catches. Imagine game outcomes and Allen's passing stats if both of these things were true: * fewer drops and, * 1 or 2 highlight reel catches a game. Add those things up and what do you have: wins against the Jets & Dolphins and another 75 - 100 yards added to Allen's passing stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Man..... people want everything and NOW. Not every ball is caught. Not every ball can be a "great catch". If great catches were the norm They wouldn't be "great" I think what he is getting at, and I agree with it, is that QBs around the league look great sometimes because they have great receivers bailing them out. They make circus catches. Ours don't. They can barely make a regular catch half the time. Zay has been better this season though. Edited December 10, 2018 by Scott7975 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: I'm concerned about BOTH types of catches. Imagine game outcomes and Allen's passing stats if both of these things were true: * fewer drops and, * 1 or 2 highlight reel catches a game. Add those things up and what do you have: wins against the Jets & Dolphins and another 75 - 100 yards added to Allen's passing stats. I'm not sure if our receivers make the difference yesterday. But I certainly believe Clay should have caught the pass in Miami, which would have been a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, mjt328 said: I'm not sure if our receivers make the difference yesterday. But I certainly believe Clay should have caught the pass in Miami, which would have been a win. I believe the Jones drop put us in a 3rd and long instead of a 3rd and short and that we failed to convert and had to punt. But the biggest drop for the 2nd week in a row was one by Clay. On 2nd & 7 he drops a nice throw that hit him in stride on a play that looks like it might have gone for 30 yards or more. So instead of 3rd & 7 we would have been deep in Jet's territory. On the next play Allen try's to run and is stripped of the ball which the Jet's recover and convert into a FG. So instead of going up 10 or 14 - 0 in the first quarter it's 7 - 3. That drop WAS a big play given how the game turned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: Um, who said it was glorious? It was a great catch on a 50/50 ball. Should WRs make great catches routinely? Yeah, probably. If your characterization of that catch is "DB isn't paying attention", well, you need to watch it again. He simply plays the ball better than Claiborne, who had indeed turned on the ball. Honestly I have no idea why anyone would feel the need to marginalize that play. I exaggerated our feelings on the play. It's a solid play. The whole point I and I think the guy I replied to was making was this should happen every game such that it's a blip in our memory. We can say "oh yeah.. which Foster grab are you talking about?" Instead we're talking about THE Foster catch of the year. Edited December 10, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: I exaggerated our feelings on the play. It's a solid play. The whole point I and I think the guy I replied to was making was this should happen every game such that it's a blip in our memory. We can say "oh yeah.. which Foster grab are you talking about?" Instead we're talking about THE Foster catch of the year. Can't argue with any of that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Fosters catch when he got hurt against the Jags was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Here's what should be a damn standard NFL catch As far as our WR corps goes, If You Build It, Josh Will Excel! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 This is what I'd classify as a great catch. Haven't seen one like it from the Bills' receiving corps this season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: This is what I'd classify as a great catch. Haven't seen one like it from the Bills' receiving corps this season. Juju and AB do it weekly for Big Ben. Gronk has done it for years for Brady. Evans in TB. Countless no names all year long. Meanwhile in buffalo if it’s not in stride and in their hands it’s an awful pass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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