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I'm optimistic about the future with Josh Allen.  At this point, I suspect he'll be at least Eli Manning level (Super Bowls aside), but probably not quite Peyton Manning level.  I don't think Josh will be able to do it all himself, he'll need a supporting cast.

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     He seems to be a QB that will have to have an offense built to his strengths.

     I try to keep in mind that the game is still moving too fast for him but not as fast as it seemed before his elbow injury.

     I am absolutely encouraged by the way he lets it rip when he sees an opening. After watching JP, TE, EJ and TT this is a godsend.

Considering how many catchable balls that have been dropped on him I think he a better instinctive passer than his stats show.

     I’m in the optimistic aisle pushing a huge cart of “ I been burned too many times to trust anyone” .

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46 minutes ago, SDS said:

Impossible to compare answers because there is no standard metric from person to person. 

 

I think he’s going to be good enough to cause us tremendous heartache when he is close but not quite good enough. 

 

Mildy pessimistic. 

This is basically where I'm at OP. I see him as a Favre clone at best or a super nerfed Favre with wheels at worst. Either way if we're lucky he's going to really tick us off many a divisional rounds.

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59 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

Wow the spectrum of posts on this board just regarding Allen is astonishing.  From bust to MVP/All-time great.

 

For me I'm a moderate optimist with most things Bills. I like to hash out the pros/cons of moves and decisions. But mostly I feel I'm relatively well grounded in my posts with a slight leaning to a rosey outlook.

 

Where do you fall ?

1 BUST 10 alltime grat……….optimistic because of his winning attitude,great athleticism,improvements this year......6.7

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43 minutes ago, MichFan said:

He is the only viable weapon we have on offense this year, and he is just a rookie. I’m definitely optimistic and can’t wait to see him when the Bills have an NFL offensive line and receivers.

Shady is a viable weapon when he doesn’t have a terrible C, RG and RT blocking for him.

 

 

To answer the OP.  I am extremely optimistic that I will have an very exciting QB that I enjoy watching for at least the next 4 years.

 

i love this kid and I didn’t love this kid when we drafted him.  He’s just so fun to watch.....behind a terrible OL with terrible WRs and TEs.  With a solid supporting cast, the sky is the limit as long as he can stay healthy. 

 

Passionately optimistic 

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More optimistic than I've ever been but still skeptical until he can demonstrate consistency regarding accuracy and "ball distribution."😃

 

He's much more talented than I thought and the things he CAN do may separate him from guys with similar issues who all failed.

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I enjoy watching him play and develop as an nfl QB. I’m impressed with his approach, leadership and demeanor. I’m excited for the future of the team. I have no idea how good he will or won’t be, and don’t really worry about it. 

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I'll go on record and say at the time of the pick I was not happy.  I remember even commenting on his pro day that the clips they gave looked more like a lowlight reel than a highlight reel.

 

That being said, I am actually excited when he is playing because he has a way of making things happen.  He's had his share of boneheaded plays for sure but I feel like he has shown a lot of improvement since his injury and look forward to what he can become.

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Quarterbacks that turn out to be great have to have extraordinary talent, ability to learn/process information superfast under pressure, excellent coaching, solid surrounding casts, and luck.

 

Josh has one of those things now.

 

He does have a ton going for him and I'm optimistic that he has a real chance.

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Complete objectivity, he has shown me a good rookie. He has shown me something to be hopeful, and enough I'm not thinking about a high qb in this draft. He has shown that he is a project but competent and capable. His running will be take  away the more tape there is. But I think, if nothing else, that pass to Clay shows he does something Tyrod never truly did. He kept his eyes down field and went through his reads when the bbn play broke down.i think we have what we need at qb for now and if he progresses we have a competent to franchise guy.

 

Where does that put me?

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In the pre-season I compared Allen's college stats, physical ability and IQ to Brett Favre and got destroyed for it.

 

I tried to explain that every 20-25 yrs a guy comes along that breaks standard stats. I showed that Brett Favre was the last guy to do it, and also argued Josh Allen has all the traits to do it again.

 

After Minnesota, Jacksonville and Miami I stand by it.

 

Josh Allen is in many ways Brett Favre.

 

He will escape pressure that amazes you, he will have the arm to score anywhere on the field, he will make bone headed throws that will boggle the mind.

 

They are both competitors and will never feel out of a game.

 

Brett Favre was a great QB at times and a total mess at others. He was imperfect, but could win a Super Bowl.

He was able to elevate his teams at times, was always positive and had an 'Awe shucks' personality that his team loved.

Brett Favre was never considered a running threat, but could evade pressure like a slick cat covered in motor oil, and had an arm that could make you pay anywhere on the field.

 

This is Josh Allen. And I stand by my original prognosis.

 

But I would like to add

Josh Allen is a better scrambler than Brett Favre

Josh Allen is a better athlete than Brett Favre

Josh Allen has a bigger arm than Brett Favre

 

We have a baby Favre.

 

Develop him. Give him weapons to maximize his strengths, and enjoy the roller coaster ride.

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On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being Chicken Little ("The sky is falling!" ) and 10 being ready to reserve my Hall of Fame induction ceremony tickets, I'm probably a 7.  I think Josh Allen is going to be at least a solid starter who gives Buffalo a shot at the playoffs most years, and has at least a chance to bring home a Super Bowl at some point

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1 hour ago, Charles Romes said:

His astonishing combination of size, arm strength and running ability give him a significant margin of error 

 

Agreed. 

 

Though our franchises predisposition to err in new and spectacular ways worries me quite a bit still.

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20 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

In the pre-season I compared Allen's college stats, physical ability and IQ to Brett Favre and got destroyed for it.

 

I tried to explain that every 20-25 yrs a guy comes along that breaks standard stats. I showed that Brett Favre was the last guy to do it, and also argued Josh Allen has all the traits to do it again.

 

After Minnesota, Jacksonville and Miami I stand by it.

 

Josh Allen is in many ways Brett Favre.

 

He will escape pressure that amazes you, he will have the arm to score anywhere on the field, he will make bone headed throws that will boggle the mind.

 

They are both competitors and will never feel out of a game.

 

Brett Favre was a great QB at times and a total mess at others. He was imperfect, but could win a Super Bowl.

He was able to elevate his teams at times, was always positive and had an 'Awe shucks' personality that his team loved.

Brett Favre was never considered a running threat, but could evade pressure like a slick cat covered in motor oil, and had an arm that could make you pay anywhere on the field.

 

This is Josh Allen. And I stand by my original prognosis.

 

But I would like to add

Josh Allen is a better scrambler than Brett Favre

Josh Allen is a better athlete than Brett Favre

Josh Allen has a bigger arm than Brett Favre

 

We have a baby Favre.

 

Develop him. Give him weapons to maximize his strengths, and enjoy the roller coaster ride.

Favre had Holmgren, Gruden, Reid, and Mariucci.  So far, I don't see Daboll as good as any of those guys.

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The more pre-draft coverage I read, the more I liked Allen. I was both happy and concerned when the Bills picked him. He had high bust potential based on what I knew but, now that I’ve seen him play at the NFL level, I no longer worry about him being a bust.

 

His size, smarts, mobility, intelligence, work ethic and competitiveness remind me more of John Elway than any other superstar QB. He is a lot smarter than Brett Favre. I don’t think Allen makes bonehead plays like Favre. He is inaccurate at times but isn’t throwing into triple coverage.

 

The Bills have the potential to ruin any QB with the talent they currently have. The recent Beane interview tells me they probably won’t.

 

On a scale from 1 to 10, I’m probably at an 8 right now.

 

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My doctor said I'm definitely on the spectrum. 

 

Not sure what he meant. 

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Absolutely loved some of the throws he made last week! Both TDs to Jones were fantastic. I love the athleticism (surprising me weekly) and the compete levels. I just want to see if the missed open receiver  throws are repeated or if there are less of them. I want to see what happens when D coordinators start game planning for HIM to take away his strengths (and not because he's a rookie with weaknesses). That by itself is a good sign. I'm beyond cautiously optimistic. How high is the ceiling is my question. What's he like with improved O Line and receivers? 

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3 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

Favre had Holmgren, Gruden, Reid, and Mariucci.  So far, I don't see Daboll as good as any of those guys.

 

I'm talking about the QB as a prospect and potential.

 

I think Dabs has some chops, but what did he have to work with?

 

The team needs to invest in OL, WR at the least.

 

Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

Back in the day the Bills had Kelly, Reed, Thomas, Wolford, Hull etc in 1985-1986 and it took a season or two for the Bills to put it together.

In 1987-1988 despite the talent on the offense, the Bills were a defense first team.

 

I remember clearly a pre-season article from Rochester's D+C writer Bob Matthews in 1988 into 1989 mentioning that the Bills would not be an offensive power for years to come.

That was the year that laid the foundations for the no huddle.

 

This is a proper rebuild. Drafting a WR in rund 1 or 2 makes sense, since most WR take a year or two to develop. Same with OL.

Any RB can come into a decent passing attack and do well.

 

The point was that Josh Allen is a curve pusher. He breaks statistical molds. Build around him and grow.

 

Try to make him what he is not, and fail. He needs help, and if that is done, he could be a great QB.

 

 

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I fall under realist. Passing judgement on either good or bad games he’s had is premature. Like everyone else, I praise the good and hope he can learn and adapt with the bad. Really wished he beat the Dolphins tho.

 

Even tho he didn’t, I saw enough to know the phish are gonna be cellar dwellers for quite a long time. Right there with the Pats when they finally do their rebuild 

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34 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being Chicken Little ("The sky is falling!" ) and 10 being ready to reserve my Hall of Fame induction ceremony tickets, I'm probably a 7.  I think Josh Allen is going to be at least a solid starter who gives Buffalo a shot at the playoffs most years, and has at least a chance to bring home a Super Bowl at some point

 

If he did develop into a solid starter I would be satisfied...

 

But I think he is your boom or bust with not much scope in between..

 

Sign me up for boom... may as well be optimistic until proven otherwise::

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I feel a lot better than I should be with a 4-8 team

 

there is hope for the future so this is one of the best 4-8 teams I’ve cheered for

 

i will watch the last four games with interest

 

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