Charles Clay- the most useless player ever

[dave mcbride]

5 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He stumbled with no one around him coming back for it. He had all day to come to the ball and even said after the game that he blew it. He didnt really lunge for the ball he fell on his own and then dropped it. It wasn't that hard of a catch.

You are nuts. It’s not easy for any receiver to change direction and scramble back for a bad underthrow (and on a bad playing surface that saw tons of guys slipping around all day). Why can’t we all focus on the main reason it wasn’t caught — the fact that it was 6-7 yds from where it was supposed to be?? 

 

Sheesh.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

It wasn't a good throw but it got there. Clay tripped over his own feet. He had all day to see it and come to it and he fell unforced.

 

 

Do we all remember that sports science where Allen was making crazy throws from that spot?

 

I do wonder why he has some epic throws and then has these ducks.    

[Bob in STL]

The catch was tough, mostly because Clay took a long time to come back and help his QB, he misreads the ball from the start.   Yes the ball was a wobbler but come on and make a play. 

 

Clay is the poster child of a Free Agent reach.  His big play contributions per dollars spent is very poor.  As bad as it gets. 

 

The Bills have ~$90M in cap space next year  - BUYER BEWARE. 

[row_33]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

You are nuts. It’s not easy for any receiver to change direction and scramble back for a bad underthrow (and on a bad playing surface that saw tons of guys slipping around all day). Why can’t we all focus on the main reason it wasn’t caught — the fact that it was 6-7 yds from where it was supposed to be?? 

 

Sheesh.

 

Under this logic the winning Fish TD should never ever have been caught

 

[dave mcbride]

(Nothing peeves me more than fans bringing out the pitchforks for receivers who don’t mke citcus catches on bad throws.)

[row_33]

Oh yeah, he wanted to catch it a little bit more

 

 

 

That’s how you win in the clutch

 

In practice Clay makes that catch one handed and laughing 100 times in a row

 

[Kelly the Dog]

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

You are nuts. It’s not easy for any receiver to change direction and scramble back for a bad underthrow (and on a bad playing surface that saw tons of guys slipping around all day). Why can’t we all focus on the main reason it wasn’t caught — the fact that it was 6-7 yds from where it was supposed to be?? 

 

Sheesh.

Clay even said he stumbled and should have caught it. Clay had all day to come back for it. AND he had two hands on it.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

You are nuts. It’s not easy for any receiver to change direction and scramble back for a bad underthrow (and on a bad playing surface that saw tons of guys slipping around all day). Why can’t we all focus on the main reason it wasn’t caught — the fact that it was 6-7 yds from where it was supposed to be?? 

 

Sheesh.

 

It's pretty easy to forgive JA for a bad pass when he was scrambling like a madman and throwing across the field. 

 

Worse passes than that are routinely caught around the NFL. Watch some other games and see the types of catches other teams make. This 100% should've been caught by Clay. 

[Bob in STL]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Do we all remember that sports science where Allen was making crazy throws from that spot?

 

I do wonder why he has some epic throws and then has these ducks.    

Are you joking …this is not Sport Science practice.  This was a real NFL game, end of the 4th quarter,  throwing under extreme duress.   Not only that but after getting two late hits to the head just before that, on the road, with the game on the line. 

 

Lots of people make that play in practice

[Kelly the Dog]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Do we all remember that sports science where Allen was making crazy throws from that spot?

 

I do wonder why he has some epic throws and then has these ducks.    

He also had just run about 30 yards, eluded three different rushers, and only saw Clay at the last second, stopped and threw all the way across the field. Mosty QBs couldn't even get that ball there. Yes, it was not a good throw, yes it was wobbly, but it was a tremendous play and the ball got there. If Clay doesnt fall on his own, it's a much easier catch. But he still should have caught it.  

[Augie]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

 

loved Lofton calling out KB.  

 

Trade Clay for a 7th rounder of free when the season is over.   

Nobody takes him with that contract. He’ll have to be cut and they can sign him for free and cheap. 

[row_33]

3 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

It's pretty easy to forgive JA for a bad pass when he was scrambling like a madman and throwing across the field. 

 

Worse passes than that are routinely caught around the NFL. Watch some other games and see the types of catches other teams make. This 100% should've been caught by Clay. 

 

Thatz zero percent on the throw

 

WTF does a man want, delivery on a silver tea service?

 

 

 

[NewEra]

31 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

You drunk, bud?

Lol yeah.  At Epcot running around with the wife.  

 

kb hasn’t been bad for 4 years......my bad

[CodeMonkey]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Show your love for Charles ******* Clay.  You sir, are a bum.  Thanks for one game vs the dolphins years ago.  

It was a ***** wounded duck pass, but yeah a NFL player needs to make the catch.

[row_33]

Just now, CodeMonkey said:

It was a ***** wounded duck pass, but yeah a NFL player needs to make the catch.

 

A Pop Warner kid catches that, but you need a rep for playing with at least some heart

 

Watch the catch on the winning TD by the Fish, a million times harder

 

this was like fielding a punt, oh sorry, Bills haven’t learned that 

 

 

[Jay_Fixit]

18 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

(Nothing peeves me more than fans bringing out the pitchforks for receivers who don’t mke citcus catches on bad throws.)

Even after avoiding serious pressure where most QB’s would be sacked, setting his feet and throwing it.

 

Clay, an NFL TE should have caught it.

 

 

its really simple stuff.

[PIZ]

Pause this at 12 seconds and see how far Clay is in the end zone.

 

 

 

[dave mcbride]

20 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Under this logic the winning Fish TD should never ever have been caught

 

Huh? That was a perfect throw in the only place the receiver could make a catch. It was precisely on target.

[34-78-83]

15 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He also had just run about 30 yards, eluded three different rushers, and only saw Clay at the last second, stopped and threw all the way across the field. Mosty QBs couldn't even get that ball there. Yes, it was not a good throw, yes it was wobbly, but it was a tremendous play and the ball got there. If Clay doesnt fall on his own, it's a much easier catch. But he still should have caught it.  

How dare Josh have ran 30 yds in circles prior to throwing this pass across his body from the opposite side of the field and not put it right on the money!

 

[dave mcbride]

17 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He also had just run about 30 yards, eluded three different rushers, and only saw Clay at the last second, stopped and threw all the way across the field. Mosty QBs couldn't even get that ball there. Yes, it was not a good throw, yes it was wobbly, but it was a tremendous play and the ball got there. If Clay doesnt fall on his own, it's a much easier catch. But he still should have caught it.  

Lol. The ball most decidedly did not get there. It freaking did not even reach the goal line. You are about to enter my pet peeve of always-blame-the-receiver fans!

[Jay_Fixit]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

Lol. The ball most decidedly did not get there. It freaking did not even reach the goal line. You are about to enter my pet peeve of always-blame-the-receiver fans!

Hi I’m dave mcbride.

 

My eyes don’t work and I don’t understand football.

[GG]

8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

(Nothing peeves me more than fans bringing out the pitchforks for receivers who don’t mke citcus catches on bad throws.)

 

Except that Clay has a long history of not catching well thrown balls

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

Lol. The ball most decidedly did not get there. It freaking did not even reach the goal line. You are about to enter my pet peeve of always-blame-the-receiver fans!

Watch the play a bunch of times. He throws it about 60 yards in the air. He's on the 40, still running and throws it to the goalline across his body on the opposite hash mark. And again, Clay can see it all the way. He DOESNT dive for the ball, he stumbles with no one near him. He's running back for the ball well before it gets there and he tackles himself but STILL GETS TWO HANDS on it. He has to make that catch. He admitted he stumbled and admitted he should have caught it. 

[34-78-83]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Lol. The ball most decidedly did not get there. It freaking did not even reach the goal line. You are about to enter my pet peeve of always-blame-the-receiver fans!

You ever try launching a 35 yard pass across your body to the opposite side of the field after running for you like for 5 seconds in circles?

 

More often than not this is the way it comes out.

 

The incomplete pass was indeed partially due to this (you are right there)

Clay still had a good chance to catch it and probably should have.

 

There is no single point of blame.

[GG]

5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Lol. The ball most decidedly did not get there. It freaking did not even reach the goal line. You are about to enter my pet peeve of always-blame-the-receiver fans!

 

Are you saying that Clay didn't trip over his feet or stumble on his come back?

[dave mcbride]

Anyone just watch TN’s johnny smith’s “drop” of an easier catch possibility (but still a very difficult catch) in the end zone? Anyone see sterling shepherd’s “drop” in OT today??

[stony]

2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Watch the play a bunch of times. He throws it about 60 yards in the air. He's on the 40, still running and throws it to the goalline across his body on the opposite hash mark. And again, Clay can see it all the way. He DOESNT dive for the ball, he stumbles with no one near him. He's running back for the ball well before it gets there and he tackles himself but STILL GETS TWO HANDS on it. He has to make that catch. He admitted he stumbled and admitted he should have caught it. 

Kelly, he throws it 40yds. 

[RocCityRoller]

5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Lol. The ball most decidedly did not get there. It freaking did not even reach the goal line. You are about to enter my pet peeve of always-blame-the-receiver fans!

 

It hit him in the hands.

 

Th Bills didn't need to score on the play. The goal line statement is irrelevant noise to the conversation. They needed to convert on 4th and 11, and a pass thown under duress on 4th and 11 hit a guy in his hands. Professionals make that catch, period.

 

 

[dave mcbride]

2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Watch the play a bunch of times. He throws it about 60 yards in the air. He's on the 40, still running and throws it to the goalline across his body on the opposite hash mark. And again, Clay can see it all the way. He DOESNT dive for the ball, he stumbles with no one near him. He's running back for the ball well before it gets there and he tackles himself but STILL GETS TWO HANDS on it. He has to make that catch. He admitted he stumbled and admitted he should have caught it. 

You are wedded to your interpretation. I liked allen’s play for the most part on that play (as I explicitly stated earlier). But it was a crap throw. It is what it is.

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, stony said:

Kelly, he throws it 40yds. 

He threw it from the 40, between the hash and the sideline, ACROSS the field which is 35 yards. If he threw it straight, on the left side of the field, it would have been 40 yards. It goes to the other hash mark on the other side of the field. It's at least 55 yards in the air.

[vincec]

Clay could have made a great catch there but Allen could also have set his feet and thrown it to him instead of under throwing it by 10 yards. He has plenty of arm to make a good throw there. And the OTs could have blocked somebody too so that Allen wasn't scrambling for his life. It's never just one player.

Edited December 2, 2018 by vincec

[dave mcbride]

Just now, RocCityRoller said:

 

It hit him in the hands.

 

Th Bills didn't need to score on the play. The goal line statement is irrelevant noise to the conversation. They needed to convert on 4th and 11, and a pass thown under duress on 4th and 11 hit a guy in his hands. Professionals make that catch, period.

 

 

Ah, my favorite blame-the-receiver line: “it hit him in the hands.” It was a bad throw (after a great scramble and great decision) that would have been a bona fide circus catch if caught. And are fans here completely blind to the fact that players on both sides were slipping and sliding all day on that surface??

[NewEra]

37 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said:

It was a ***** wounded duck pass, but yeah a NFL player needs to make the catch.

Charles Fn Clay has been doing exactly nothing, while making 9 mill a year for the last several seasons.  That’s what this post is about.  If you dispute this claim, watch more Bills game.  Not sure what to say.  

 

His attempt at the wounded duck pass from out rookie QB was embarrassing.  His effort was laughable.  

Edited December 3, 2018 by NewEra

[stony]

1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He threw it from the 40, between the hash and the sideline, ACROSS the field which is 35 yards. If he threw it straight, on the left side of the field, it would have been 40 yards. It goes to the other hash mark on the other side of the field. It's at least 55 yards in the air.

Gotcha, I thought you mixed up the sides of the field!

[Coach Tuesday]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

Ah, my favorite blame-the-receiver line: “it hit him in the hands.” It was a bad throw (after a great scramble and great decision) that would have been a bona fide circus catch if caught. And are fans here completely blind to the fact that players on both sides were slipping and sliding all day on that surface??

 

Yep - and the Sabres were having trouble keeping their edges in Tampa Bay and Miami this past weekend - humidity is a thing - Florida being the worst state in the Union is also a thing...

[dave mcbride]

5 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Are you saying that Clay didn't trip over his feet or stumble on his come back?

See previois comments by me about the field surface today — players were falling down all game. Regardless. It was short by 6-7 yards and required a circus catch because it demanded a reverse in direction.

 

I remember you blaming watkins for taylor’s int v NE despite that he leaped as high as he could and his fingertips grazed the ball.

[row_33]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Ah, my favorite blame-the-receiver line: “it hit him in the hands.” It was a bad throw (after a great scramble and great decision) that would have been a bona fide circus catch if caught. And are fans here completely blind to the fact that players on both sides were slipping and sliding all day on that surface??

 

Go and watch the play again

 

not even a one in a million excuse for a pro to not make that catch

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

Guy is stealing money 

Just like Mario Williams.....just like Marcel Dareus....just like Killvin Benjasuck....the legacy of Bills players getting paid and then quitting goes on....

[row_33]

 

Except he has no heart and isn’t that talented

 

and that’s what we’ve been saying his whole time here

[RocCityRoller]

6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Ah, my favorite blame-the-receiver line: “it hit him in the hands.” It was a bad throw (after a great scramble and great decision) that would have been a bona fide circus catch if caught. And are fans here completely blind to the fact that players on both sides were slipping and sliding all day on that surface??

 

Clay himself admitted he should have caught the ball. Keep fighting the good fight though.

 

And let me know what the channel was of the game you watched.

 

It clearly wasn't what everyone else, including the players, were watching.