WHO DESERVES THE BLAME?? THE PEGULAS!

[billsfan61184]

This is my first post and it takes a lot for me to actually make a post but I have finally hit my breaking point.

 

All I hear about is trust the process, and we are creating a culture. I keep hearing we want the right players and people "onboard".   I have heard our head coach say that culture trumps strategy and talent.  I have listened to the same post game news conference for the last 25 weeks " We have to watch the tape and get better" Well guess what there hasn't been one game this year minus the Vikings game (which was basically the defense putting the offense in great positions) where this offense looked like it actually belonged in the NFL

 

Who are the first people we blame? Obviously its the HC and the GM but thru the last 9 weeks what we have put on the field is not football, its not even JV Football, its more like playing in the backyard with our friends, go to the car turn around and I will throw it to you. Unfortunately when we throw the ball it goes to the other team more often than our own. 

 

We have been embarrassed in 5 out of the 9 games and are the laughing stock of the NFL. Who are the only people we haven't heard from so far this season? The Pegulas!  Why are they getting a free pass? They are the only ones with the power to change things. I know we made the playoffs last year by a fluke. I can't believe that they are allowing this coach to stay and are overlooking what is easily becoming one of the worst seasons in the history of the Bills/NFL just because they broke the drought. Our fans come out every game and show their support and pad their pockets yet they have said and done nothing to show this type of football is unacceptable.  Until the Pegula's hold this Coach and GM responsible we will continue to see a offense born in the 1950's and when it inevitably fails the response will be "We thought we had the right guy to create a winning culture"

 

I'm sorry for the negativity but every fan at some point hits their breaking point and yesterday was it for me.

Edited November 5, 2018 by billsfan61184

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3 minutes ago, billsfan61184 said:

This is my first post and it takes a lot for me to actually make a post but I have finally hit my breaking point.

 

All I hear about is trust the process, and we are creating a culture. I keep hearing we want the right players and people "onboard".   I have heard our head coach say that culture trumps strategy and talent.  I have listened to the same post game news conference for the last 25 weeks " We have to watch the tape and get better" Well guess what there hasn't been one game this year minus the Vikings game (which was basically the defense putting the offense in great positions) where this offense looked like it actually belonged in the NFL

 

Who are the first people we blame? Obviously its the HC and the GM but thru the last 9 weeks what we have put on the field is not football, its not even JV Football, its more like playing in the backyard with our friends, go to the car turn around and I will throw it to you. Unfortunately when we throw the ball it goes to the other team more often than our own. 

 

We have been embarrassed in 5 out of the 9 games and are the laughing stock of the NFL. Who are the only people we haven't heard from so far this season? The Pegulas!  Why are they getting a free pass? They are the only ones with the power to change things. I know we made the playoffs last year by a fluke. I can't believe that they are allowing this coach to stay and are overlooking what is easily becoming one of the worst seasons in the history of the Bills/NFL just because they broke the drought. Our fans come out every game and show their support and pad their pockets yet they have said and done nothing to show this type of football is unacceptable.  Until the Pegula's hold this Coach and GM responsible we will continue to see a offense born in the 1950's and when it inevitably fails the response will be "We thought we had the right guy to create a winning culture"

 

I'm sorry for the negativity but every fan at some point hits their breaking point and yesterday was it for me.

Well, they own the franchise, and it's their right to decide on how to address it. 

 

The only question remaining for me is if the plan truly was to tear it all down and start again.  As painful as it is to watch yet another lost season--an experience that repeats itself on a decades-long pace in WNY--if that was the plan, then it would be irresponsible for the Pegulas to get cold feet now. If this was the plan as sold--break it down build it up and we're going to pay on year one or two, then see it through. 

 

As bad as they are, playing marginally better and winning 5 games doesn't make December any better. Winning 8, same deal. On the other hand, if by now the plan was to be competitive, well decisions have to be made.

 

As for the fans coming, my only thought is that if the product sucks, less money should be spent. I know there are fans with season tix, I pay for DirecTV and travel to some home games, but this product blows, so other than the social/family aspect--which is great--i can always fast forward to the end. Ironically, with this team the end is usually midway through the first quarter. 

 

 

[Kwai San]

I wonder how much the Pegs are actually holding peoples feet to the fire?  Perhaps they learned from the Sabres that the Bill need a #1 pick??  Who knows??

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Well, they own the franchise, and it's their right to decide on how to address it. 

 

The only question remaining for me is if the plan truly was to tear it all down and start again.  As painful as it is to watch yet another lost season--an experience that repeats itself on a decades-long pace in WNY--if that was the plan, then it would be irresponsible for the Pegulas to get cold feet now. If this was the plan as sold--break it down build it up and we're going to pay on year one or two, then see it through. 

 

As bad as they are, playing marginally better and winning 5 games doesn't make December any better. Winning 8, same deal. On the other hand, if by now the plan was to be competitive, well decisions have to be made.

 

As for the fans coming, my only thought is that if the product sucks, less money should be spent. I know there are fans with season tix, I pay for DirecTV and travel to some home games, but this product blows, so other than the social/family aspect--which is great--i can always fast forward to the end. Ironically, with this team the end is usually midway through the first quarter. 

 

 

 

Why must it be torn down?  Why not get an offensive mind to fix the Offense and go forward ala the Rams??

[billsfan1959]

14 minutes ago, billsfan61184 said:

I'm sorry for the negativity but every fan at some point hits their breaking point and yesterday was it for me.

It doesn't necessarily mean it deserves its own thread when it could have gone into any one of the other 1000 "the Pegulas, Beane, and McDermott don't know what they are doing and should be banished from civilized society" threads

[Mr. WEO]

OP is way off.

 

There's one common denominator through all of this...

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Why must it be torn down?  Why not get an offensive mind to fix the Offense and go forward ala the Rams??

I don't disagree with your point at all. Teams turn things around to respectable-at-least all the time. However, the Pegulas hired THESE guys, and if that was the plan it is what it is. 

 

I'm as sick as anyone on watching this debacle. 

 

 

[Buddy Hix]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

OP is way off.

 

There's one common denominator through all of this...

 

You’re trolling us...

 

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Buddy Hix said:

You’re trolling us...

 

 

 

Oh no you di'int......

[Big Gun]

26 minutes ago, billsfan61184 said:

This is my first post and it takes a lot for me to actually make a post but I have finally hit my breaking point.

 

All I hear about is trust the process, and we are creating a culture. I keep hearing we want the right players and people "onboard".   I have heard our head coach say that culture trumps strategy and talent.  I have listened to the same post game news conference for the last 25 weeks " We have to watch the tape and get better" Well guess what there hasn't been one game this year minus the Vikings game (which was basically the defense putting the offense in great positions) where this offense looked like it actually belonged in the NFL

 

Who are the first people we blame? Obviously its the HC and the GM but thru the last 9 weeks what we have put on the field is not football, its not even JV Football, its more like playing in the backyard with our friends, go to the car turn around and I will throw it to you. Unfortunately when we throw the ball it goes to the other team more often than our own. 

 

We have been embarrassed in 5 out of the 9 games and are the laughing stock of the NFL. Who are the only people we haven't heard from so far this season? The Pegulas!  Why are they getting a free pass? They are the only ones with the power to change things. I know we made the playoffs last year by a fluke. I can't believe that they are allowing this coach to stay and are overlooking what is easily becoming one of the worst seasons in the history of the Bills/NFL just because they broke the drought. Our fans come out every game and show their support and pad their pockets yet they have said and done nothing to show this type of football is unacceptable.  Until the Pegula's hold this Coach and GM responsible we will continue to see a offense born in the 1950's and when it inevitably fails the response will be "We thought we had the right guy to create a winning culture"

 

I'm sorry for the negativity but every fan at some point hits their breaking point and yesterday was it for me.

IMO the Pegulas were misled and lied to from these two clowns, I guess you could blame them for being nice people that are too naive and gullible.  

[dorquemada]

22 minutes ago, billsfan61184 said:

 I have heard our head coach say that culture trumps strategy and talent. 

 

Yeah that's really the crux of the issue.  Our JV level clapping moron of a coach thinks that he has a system that is so strong, so airtight, that he can plug any player into it and succeed.  Obviously, reality says otherwise, but I don't believe McD has the type of personality, or frankly the football acumen, to recognize how wrong he is.   He's married to his own bad ideas and for some reason has been given a really long leash to continue to prove that he does not belong in the NFL. 

 

There is certainly a spectrum of talent <---> culture in a winning strategy, and I think that the 2018 Buffalo Bills have successfully defined one end of that spectrum, and we can declare with an extremely high confidence level that this is not a winning formula.  One interesting aspect of this is that besides the fact that the bills are deeply lacking in talent on O, that it's also a high probability that the culture that McD is enforcing is also bad.  If there was even a tiny amount of truth to 'culture trumps talent' then the Bills wouldn't be getting blown out over and over again.   All i see on the field as a team that by all appearances has given up on the season and probably the coach.   If that is Clappy McDumbass's culture/process, then it's clear that he just isn't fit to be a coach on the NFL, or probably even college above the D3 level.  It's just a damn shame that this D is going to get wasted.

[Boca BIlls]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

OP is way off.

 

There's one common denominator through all of this...

 

Wrong, little people can only make little problems.

[Buddy Hix]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Oh no you di'int......

Nobody is safe from my Monday morning Bills rage!

[Wayne Arnold]

5 minutes ago, pop gun said:

IMO the Pegulas were misled and lied to from these two clowns, I guess you could blame them for being nice people that are too naive and gullible.  

 

Lied to?

 

Are McDermott and Beane actually working for the Jets or Dolphins? And have penetrated the Bills front office for the sole purpose of destroying the team? Mwuhahahaha?

 

Good Lord, folks.

[Big Gun]

Just now, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Lied to?

 

Are McDermott and Beane actually working for the Jets or Dolphins? And have penetrated the Bills front office for the sole purpose of destroying the team? Mwuhahahaha?

 

Good Lord, folks.

So you're saying he told the Pegulas they would be epically bad and the Pegulas were a okay with it? 

 

[4_kidd_4]

My biggest sticking point is two head coaching hires that want to run first and lean on the defense.

 

That’s just not what the league is anymore, and hasn’t been for a while, and they should have realized it after Rex.

 

That’s on ownership.

[billsfan61184]

The issue I have is that in order to be a great coach in the NFL you have to be able to adapt to what is happening around you. McDermott has no idea nor does he want to about how things are changing in the NFL on Offense. You have to be able to throw the football to win. You can't go 3 and out and put your defense on the field for 35-40 minutes every game.  You can't just draft at a QB in the Top 10 and not address the O-Line and Skill Positions around him.  We have proven that we are willing to just trade away crucial 2nd and 3rd picks for guys like Zay Jones, Dawkins, Allen, Edmunds. Now I know some of these guys MAY pan out, but at a time where we are thin at every position we could have had an-additional 3-4 starters with those picks. I am worried that even with $90+ MM in Cap Space we are going to have to overpay anyone worth bringing in just based on how things went this year so we could burn thru that quickly and still not fill all the holes we need to on Offense next year.

[spartan19]

Well, they did hire a guy with an ipod and speakers for the halftime "show."  What other NFL franchise has a DJ for a halftime show?  They suck at everything, even halftime.

Edited November 5, 2018 by spartan19

[Chuck Wagon]

I appreciate seeing people still getting mad.  I moved into apathy a long time ago.

[Wayne Arnold]

1 minute ago, pop gun said:

So you're saying he told the Pegulas they would be epically bad and the Pegulas were a okay with it? 

 

Beane told the Pegulas the obvious truth: that the cap situation is a mess thanks to backloaded instant gratification contracts and if we’re going to build this right and set the team up for long-term success we’re going to have to dump players with the worst contracts which may result in some pain in the short-term.

 

Or maybe you’re right - he’s working for the Jets and is trying to destroy the team from within. Mwuhahahahaha!

[dorquemada]

10 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Lied to?

 

Are McDermott and Beane actually working for the Jets or Dolphins? And have penetrated the Bills front office for the sole purpose of destroying the team? Mwuhahahaha?

 

Good Lord, folks.

 

That's not what Wayne is saying at all.  There doesn't have to be a conspiracy going on in the background in order for the Pegulas to have made bad hires.  I mean, the evidence is pretty strong to suggest that they aren't good at this, and have been taken in by grifters again and again.

1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Beane told the Pegulas the obvious truth: that the cap situation is a mess thanks to backloaded instant gratification contracts and if we’re going to build this right and set the team up for long-term success we’re going to have to dump players with the worst contracts which may result in some pain in the short-term.

 

Or maybe you’re right - he’s working for the Jets and is trying to destroy the team from within. Mwuhahahahaha!

 

Even given the cap situation, which was clearly mismanaged by granting ridiculous contracts to players who have not earned them, the current regime continues to make terrible decisions that have nothing to do with the cap. 

Edited November 5, 2018 by dorquemada

[Wayne Arnold]

2 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

That's not what Wayne is saying at all.  There doesn't have to be a conspiracy going on in the background in order for the Pegulas to have made bad hires.  I mean, the evidence is pretty strong to suggest that they aren't good at this, and have been taken in by grifters again and again.

 

pop gun literally said “IMO the Pegulas were misled and lied to from these two clowns”.

[Charlottebillsfan2]

So can I credit the Pegulas with the Sabres turnaround? 

[cd1]

25 minutes ago, Kwai San said:

I wonder how much the Pegs are actually holding peoples feet to the fire?  Perhaps they learned from the Sabres that the Bill need a #1 pick??  Who knows??

 

If the Pegula's think that all the Bills need is "a number one pick", they must be totally delusional.

 

For that matter any of you fans that think that all this team needs just one or two good players are delusional.

 

This team is one hot mess. The GM & head coach are clueless. If anyone does have a clue, they aren't saying!

 

The Bills have a roster of NFL caliber players. Not the best mind you, but all of them made it to the NFL. Somehow, no one seems to be able to get these players to play as a TEAM.

 

Sloppy, mindless, aimless, halfhearted, attempts.

 

Build a culture? You are suppose to be building an NFL FOOTBALL TEAM - for Christ sake! 

[Woodman19]

The blame lay with the previous regime who capped us out being an 8-8 team.  Yes, we could have rebuilt slower and maintained a 7-9 type team to make everyone feel better but we chose to bite the bullet and take our medicine to fix it in one go.  This off-season is going to be what makes or breaks this regime since they will have the cap room, young players and surplus draft picks 

Edited November 5, 2018 by Woodman19

[billsfan61184]

You can credit them with making the right choice on Jason Botterill for GM. He came in here and got rid of the dead weight and brought in players that can play in today's NHL. He came in analyzed and addressed the biggest needs in the organization in less than two years. That is complete opposite of what I have seen from Beane.  We got rid of good players who can play in today's NFL because they weren't good character guys or had bad contracts. all I have seen from Beane is how many former Carolina Panthers can we bring in

[MAJBobby]

15 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

My biggest sticking point is two head coaching hires that want to run first and lean on the defense.

 

That’s just not what the league is anymore, and hasn’t been for a while, and they should have realized it after Rex.

 

That’s on ownership.

 

Well we get bad weather in Buffalo 

[nucci]

2 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

The blames lay with the previous regime who capped us out being an 8-8 team.  Yes, we could have rebuilt slower and maintained a 7-9 type team to make everyone feel better but we chose to bite the bullet and take our medicine to fix it in one go.  This off-season is going to be what makes or breaks this regime since they will have the cap room, young players and surplus draft picks 

so this is going to happen quickly now? This team does not get fixed in one off-season

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

54 minutes ago, billsfan61184 said:

This is my first post and it takes a lot for me to actually make a post but I have finally hit my breaking point.

 

All I hear about is trust the process, and we are creating a culture. I keep hearing we want the right players and people "onboard".   I have heard our head coach say that culture trumps strategy and talent.  I have listened to the same post game news conference for the last 25 weeks " We have to watch the tape and get better" Well guess what there hasn't been one game this year minus the Vikings game (which was basically the defense putting the offense in great positions) where this offense looked like it actually belonged in the NFL

 

Who are the first people we blame? Obviously its the HC and the GM but thru the last 9 weeks what we have put on the field is not football, its not even JV Football, its more like playing in the backyard with our friends, go to the car turn around and I will throw it to you. Unfortunately when we throw the ball it goes to the other team more often than our own. 

 

We have been embarrassed in 5 out of the 9 games and are the laughing stock of the NFL. Who are the only people we haven't heard from so far this season? The Pegulas!  Why are they getting a free pass? They are the only ones with the power to change things. I know we made the playoffs last year by a fluke. I can't believe that they are allowing this coach to stay and are overlooking what is easily becoming one of the worst seasons in the history of the Bills/NFL just because they broke the drought. Our fans come out every game and show their support and pad their pockets yet they have said and done nothing to show this type of football is unacceptable.  Until the Pegula's hold this Coach and GM responsible we will continue to see a offense born in the 1950's and when it inevitably fails the response will be "We thought we had the right guy to create a winning culture"

 

I'm sorry for the negativity but every fan at some point hits their breaking point and yesterday was it for me.

 

Thanks for sharing your completely unique and refreshing take with all of us.

 

We are all better for it.

 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, billsfan61184 said:

You can credit them with making the right choice on Jason Botterill for GM. He came in here and got rid of the dead weight and brought in players that can play in today's NHL. He came in analyzed and addressed the biggest needs in the organization in less than two years. That is complete opposite of what I have seen from Beane.  We got rid of good players who can play in today's NFL because they weren't good character guys or had bad contracts. all I have seen from Beane is how many former Carolina Panthers can we bring in

 

Thats Because GM Botts is not a yes man to the coach like Beane is to McD. 

[Woodman19]

Just now, nucci said:

so this is going to happen quickly now? This team does not get fixed in one off-season

Well, having money to buy value free agents and draft picks in the top 5 range in theory should help more than no surplus cap space and picks in the 10-15 range...

[May Day 10]

It is still a work in progress.  The plan is to give these guys a shot at roster building through the acquired assets and cap space.  They will sink or swim.  It feels like they are sinking, but we wont find out until next season, and maybe even beyond because it is/was a longview plan (which I agree/agreed with).

 

I am troubled by the decisions made around the QB position and the offense as a whole (including philosophy).  There are also certain troubling personnel moves (like trading Darby for Matthews and acquiring that tub of rocks Kelvin Benjamin they should have known he was a soft simpleton).

 

The time to make major changes is not now.  Or probably not at the end of the season.  It will be on the Pegulas to pull the plug when the time is right and the writing is clear on the wall.  If that time comes, I really hope they dont grasp around on their own in the dark and employ some experienced exec help to right the franchise.

[nucci]

1 minute ago, Woodman19 said:

Well, having money to buy value free agents and draft picks in the top 5 range in theory should help more than no surplus cap space and picks in the 10-15 range...

other teams will have cap space as well......and draft picks

[Wayne Arnold]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

so this is going to happen quickly now? This team does not get fixed in one off-season

 

All of the dead cap from the Whaley regime is gone after this year. Do you consider that a coincidence?

[billsfan61184]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

Thats Because GM Botts is not a yes man to the coach like Beane is to McD. 

Exactly!!!

 

And I put that on Pegula's. There is no way Beane should be answering to McD. If Beane is the GM he should be in control.  If Mcdermott was as successful as someone like Belichek or Andy Reid, etc I could understand. Mcdermott has not proven anything to be given the type of power he was given and that mistake falls on the Pegula's.

[nucci]

1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

All of the dead cap from the Whaley regime is gone after this year. Do you consider that a coincidence?

I'm just saying that many teams will have a lot of money to spend for FAs...it happens every year. The Bills don't have a big advantage in signing players

[MAJBobby]

Just now, billsfan61184 said:

Exactly!!!

 

And I put that on Pegula's. There is no way Beane should be answering to McD. If Beane is the GM he should be in control.  If Mcdermott was as successful as someone like Belichek or Andy Reid, etc I could understand. Mcdermott has not proven anything to be given the type of power he was given and that mistake falls on the Pegula's.

 

Thats because our owner in his own words is a Hockey guy. 

[Woodman19]

2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

All of the dead cap from the Whaley regime is gone after this year. Do you consider that a coincidence?

How many will have more cap space and higher draft picks?

[oldmanfan]

Tough times this year.  With respect to the culture stuff that gets criticized around here, go to si.com today and look at the article on the Pats victory yesterday, then read what Dwayne Allen says about the team.  Yep, it's all about culture. 

 

I am as frustrated as anyone with the way they looked yesterday.  People are blasting Peterman again, but he looked like what he is supposed to be yesterday, a backup QB.  When you hit WRs right in the numbers and they can't hold onto the ball, there isn't much you can do.  But he also went brain dead with his run at the end of the half, and that can't be accepted.

 

Despite all the howling at the moon, you cannot just continue to recycle HCs and GMs all the time and ever expect success.  Just won't happen.  The current GM and HC have said continually that the rebuild will take some time.  They're right.  They have to rebuild the O line; yesterday's performance up front was an embarrassment.   They have to find WRs other than Jones that will compete for balls and actually catch balls that hit them right in the hands.  They need to get their young franchise potential QB back on the field. 

 

So this year sucks, but I guess my age and history with the BIlls makes it less painful than for others.  I can still think back to the AFL championships of 1964 and 1965.  But I can also remember the days of Dan Darragh playing QB, or Joe Dufek, or coaches like John Rauch, Jim Ringo, Hank Bulllough.   So I know it can be way worse.

What the current situation reminds me of more than anything was the early 80's, when a young assistant GM named Bill Polian came on board as the new GM.  And the first thing he told Ralph was that he could not win with the players he had, and that he had to start spending money if he wanted to compete.  Even under Polian the first couple years were lean years, but after getting their QB, after drafting well, after judicious trades and FA acquisitions, you all know what happened.

 

Is Beane another Polian?  Or McD another Marv?  Have no way to tell right now.  If you think Beane and McD don't understand they need to do a serious upgrade on the offensive side of the ball, you're being willfully ignorant.  Can they accomplish that?  We will see.  They set themselves up to have a bunch of cap space and a bunch of picks.  It's on them to use them wisely.  if they don't, then they will deservedly be looking for employment down the road.

[LabattBlue]

13 minutes ago, Charlottebillsfan2 said:

So can I credit the Pegulas with the Sabres turnaround? 

Maybe you should wait a little while before proclaiming that the Sabres have turned it around.  After all, it's not hard to show improvement, when you were so bad the prior year.  Come talk to me when they have made the playoffs in a league where it shouldn't be that hard to achieve that(half the teams make the playoffs), but somehow the Sabres under the Pegula's have been a train wreck since they took over.

 

As of right now, as owners of the Bills and Sabres, they have shown NOTHING in terms of being competent owners, except their willingness to spend a lot of money.  Excuse me if I want more out of my local sports teams.

 

No one should be mad about Peterman.  Instead direct your anger at the buffoon of a HC who keeps trotting him out there, and the clueless owners who hired said HC.

Edited November 5, 2018 by LabattBlue