wppete Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 4:00pm EST now .... Its over.... Edited October 30, 2018 by wppete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Those are all things you need to weigh. If you have the first pick you probably aren't trading down much further than five. So if you trade down to five, still get an elite talent at a position of need and then add a future 1st round pick as well I think you need to consider it. Basically, do you want Nick Bosa or would you rather have both Greedy Williams and N'Keal Harry? Agreed Personally, I'd rather have the elite prospect than 2 good ones 13 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said: Said Donahoe when he drafted Willis McGahee or Buddy Nix when he drafted CJ Spiller. We're not talking about pick #23 here (or even #9)...the post was about trading down from a top 3 pick--a pick at which you should be getting an elite talent; not a top-10 talent Big difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, thurst44 said: If Allen works out, then they really did not. They may have got two elite players in addition to their QB. I get the frustration as Mahomes is looking like an MVP and Watson has looked good at times, but as you said, Allen does remain to be seen, but his ceiling is very high, so to say they blew the '17 draft is premature. I honestly hope you're right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Perry Turtle said: According to the genius Bills GMs who made those picks, I guess they were. Anyway, those picks were justified as BPA. As for elite pass rushers, if you replace Hughes with a JJ Watt who is in his prime, how many more wins do the Bills have this season with their current offense. How many more years do the Bills have to tank before they add talent to the offense? Anyway, it looks like Hughes is staying, and the defense will likely finish top 10 while the offense falls to 32nd. It'll be interesting to see how Beane decides to build a modern NFL offense next season. And those guys were idiots. I agree that the offense needs to be fixed, but not entirely at the expense of the Defense. You don't overpay for offense just because the defense is okay. You gotta be wise about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: Agreed Personally, I'd rather have the elite prospect than 2 good ones We're not talking about pick #23 here (or even #9)...the post was about trading down from a top 3 pick--a pick at which you should be getting an elite talent; not a top-10 talent Big difference So you're talking about a Marcel Dareus, Mike William's, or Sammy Watkins type of talent? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Ian Rappaport just said on NFL Network that he knows the Bills did not make any trades today. So no KB like surprise after the deadline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Maybe they wouldn't let Beane make any trades cause they figured "let's not let this guy do more damage than he's already done" lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Trades are like most good things in life. The more you get, the more you want. *Sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: And those guys were idiots. I agree that the offense needs to be fixed, but not entirely at the expense of the Defense. You don't overpay for offense just because the defense is okay. You gotta be wise about it. But in this case, the defense is actually pretty good, with major investments made in it the last two seasons. The offense has died on the vine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Perry Turtle said: But in this case, the defense is actually pretty good, with major investments made in it the last two seasons. The offense has died on the vine. Right, and that's why I would rather trade down and use two picks on offense as opposed to the defense. But if the question is would I rather have Jerry Hughes, and an Overdrafted WR (ala Watkins) taken at #3 or Nick Bosa and a third round pick to spend on a receiver, I gotta go with Bosa and the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Ian Rappaport just said on NFL Network that he knows the Bills did not make any trades today. So no KB like surprise after the deadline. Sad news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I have never cared for how the Redskins do business, but getting a good safety in response to your division rivals trading for WR's is a smart move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: Right, and that's why I would rather trade down and use two picks on offense as opposed to the defense. But if the question is would I rather have Jerry Hughes, and an Overdrafted WR (ala Watkins) taken at #3 or Nick Bosa and a third round pick to spend on a receiver, I gotta go with Bosa and the pick. I think we're in alignment on the first point, but not as much on the second, but that's cool. Thanks for the discussion! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I have never cared for how the Redskins do business, but getting a good safety in response to your division rivals trading for WR's is a smart move. Or maybe it was a move to please half the country so they can say a Clinton is in Washington again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Like I said..... Everything is being pushed to 2019.....Beane didnt want to give up any of his draft picks My only hope here is that Shady is now on the team next year....please do not release him in the offseason if your not going to get what you can for him now. Just keep the same RB's and dont create a new hole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 why do the Packers throw away their good safeties all of the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Ian Rappaport just said on NFL Network that he knows the Bills did not make any trades today. So no KB like surprise after the deadline. I guess beane thinks the offense is all set and he didn’t need additional reinforcements or draft picks. I am beginning to sour on beane. We gave up Cordy Glenn, picks 12, 53, and 55 for josh. Like I stated over and over- keep the picks, build the lines, draft skill positions, and don’t give up all those picks for 1 player. We would have 3 new starters with those picks. Don’t make the move for a qbunless we are close and certain they are the qb. ***** giving up all those picks! josh Gordon and a 7th for a 5th. Demaryous for a 4th. Good ***** luck finding Demaryous in the 4th Edited October 30, 2018 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 DT is old and slow now and really not even an upgrade over Benjamin. Maybe if Benjamins a C Thomas is a C+......maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 49 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Maybe they wouldn't let Beane make any trades cause they figured "let's not let this guy do more damage than he's already done" lol That's probably not too far off. Just let McD make all the player personnel decisions. Beane is just a puppet. If this team eventually fails it will be on Sean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Remember when Beane got pick 65 for Tyrod and everyone thought he was the best thing ever? A lot can happen here in six months... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 37 minutes ago, Pete said: I guess beane thinks the offense is all set and he didn’t need additional reinforcements or draft picks. I am beginning to sour on beane. We gave up Cordy Glenn, picks 12, 53, and 55 for josh. Like I stated over and over- keep the picks, build the lines, draft skill positions, and don’t give up all those picks for 1 player. We would have 3 new starters with those picks. Don’t make the move for a qbunless we are close and certain they are the qb. ***** giving up all those picks! josh Gordon and a 7th for a 5th. Demaryous for a 4th. Good ***** luck finding Demaryous in the 4th If they would have done this then Lamar Jackson would be pur QB right now more than likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julio Hopkins Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, H2o said: If they would have done this then Lamar Jackson would be pur QB right now more than likely. At least we would have a QB prospect on the roster if they drafted Jackson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Perry Turtle said: So you're talking about a Marcel Dareus, Mike William's, or Sammy Watkins type of talent? ? Sure--if we're limiting the list to Bills' top-4 picks instead of NFL top-3 picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Julio Hopkins said: At least we would have a QB prospect on the roster if they drafted Jackson. According to a few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julio Hopkins Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, H2o said: According to a few ? Fair ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 35 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Remember when Beane got pick 65 for Tyrod and everyone thought he was the best thing ever? A lot can happen here in six months... Still think it was a great move. Problem here is everyone said they were ready to deal with the ups and downs of drafting a rookie qb, but in the back of their mind expected the rookie to be Tom Brady. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Why didn't we give both of our 4ths for Aaron Rodgers ? ..... Fire McBeane now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I could be way off... but I don’t think the Bills wanted to acquire any talent this year.. talent might mean we win games. I truly think Beane hopes we lose games and end up with a better pick in the draft. I am still all in for Derek Carr (if we don’t have to give up a first)... but can’t get him now or else we may win a few games.. and then back to the middle of the drafting pack. Maybe my brain is just fried... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I remember when there were pretty much no such things as trades outside the draft...NFL trade deadline used to be a formality now its like the Wild West... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I got out of a 3 hour meeting and just heaved a sigh of relief when I saw that NE did nothing... I care about 2 things this season: Josh Allen looking good to gives us hope, and NE not getting to the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Ian Rappaport just said on NFL Network that he knows the Bills did not make any trades today. So no KB like surprise after the deadline. ...sounds like the opposing 31 GM's DO have some sanity after all....if the draft was 17 rounds as it was in 1971, they could offer something more palatable like perhaps a 14th round conditional.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 22 minutes ago, H2o said: If they would have done this then Lamar Jackson would be pur QB right now more than likely. Instead we overpaid for a broken QB because we have no line and our WR's cannot get separation. I banged the table build the line and draft skill players with those picks. 12, 53, 55 we could of drafted Billy Price and a competent WR. Why give so much for the QB if there is such a dearth of talent on the offense? Our offense is historically bad, and will only get worse with Peterman. Archie Manning is one of the most skilled QBs of all time. But he didn't do much in NFL because he played on a line that couldn't block and he had no WRs. I don't care if you put Tom Brady or Aaron Rogers at QB for the Bills. They would get pummeled and injured by week 6. WTF is the point of drafting a QB and putting off fixing a horrendous online and fielding the worst bunch of WR's in the NFL? And back to my point. Our offense is one of the worst the past 20 years. Stats show this. League scoring is at an all time high, and we cannot score a TD. We need all the picks we can get. Shady is 31 and way overpaid. Ivory is just as effective. Why include Shady in the rebuild? I would of rather traded him, and drafted his replacement. Tate was given away. Demaryous was given away. Josh Gordon was given away. Beane could of made some moves. But instead we are going to roll with Peterman, Benjamin as our #1, Andre as our 2, Zay in the slot.......WTF is that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Pete said: Instead we overpaid for a broken QB because we have no line and our WR's cannot get separation. I banged the table build the line and draft skill players with those picks. 12, 53, 55 we could of drafted Billy Price and a competent WR. Why give so much for the QB if there is such a dearth of talent on the offense? Our offense is historically bad, and will only get worse with Peterman. Archie Manning is one of the most skilled QBs of all time. But he didn't do much in NFL because he played on a line that couldn't block and he had no WRs. I don't care if you put Tom Brady or Aaron Rogers at QB for the Bills. They would get pummeled and injured by week 6. WTF is the point of drafting a QB and putting off fixing a horrendous online and fielding the worst bunch of WR's in the NFL? And back to my point. Our offense is one of the worst the past 20 years. Stats show this. League scoring is at an all time high, and we cannot score a TD. We need all the picks we can get. Shady is 31 and way overpaid. Ivory is just as effective. Why include Shady in the rebuild? I would of rather traded him, and drafted his replacement. Tate was given away. Demaryous was given away. Josh Gordon was given away. Beane could of made some moves. But instead we are going to roll with Peterman, Benjamin as our #1, Andre as our 2, Zay in the slot.......WTF is that? Its called a rebiuld....they dont want older players they want younger ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: Its called a rebiuld....they dont want older players they want younger ones then WTF is Shady still doing here? And last years Bills were shockingly one of the older teams in the league. There are only 4 players on the roster prior to 2017. And 40% of roster currently is 1st or 2nd years. You need some veterans. And when you invest so much in a QB, it is good to have a veteran WR he can learn nuances from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Pete said: then WTF is Shady still doing here? And last years Bills were shockingly one of the older teams in the league. There are only 4 players on the roster prior to 2017. And 40% of roster currently is 1st or 2nd years. You need some veterans. And when you invest so much in a QB, it is good to have a veteran WR he can learn nuances from Like I have said all day....if they release Shady before next year none of this will make sense to me BUT Shady is a different kinda cat because he doesnt take the hits like guys like Ivory do....he avoids the big hits and he has more tread on the tires......he really is the best offensive player we have..... Maybe they think that with improved OL play and WR's that can actually stretch the field he can regain his game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: Like I have said all day....if they release Shady before next year none of this will make sense to me BUT Shady is a different kinda cat because he doesnt take the hits like guys like Ivory do....he avoids the big hits and he has more tread on the tires......he really is the best offensive player we have..... Maybe they think that with improved OL play and WR's that can actually stretch the field he can regain his game. Shady would be great on the Eagles or Colts. He will suck in Buffalo. Keeping Shady makes no sense to me. Like you said, "it's called a rebuild. they want to get younger" 31 is ancient for a RB in NFL. I get what I can for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaLoko Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 16 minutes ago, Pete said: Instead we overpaid for a broken QB because we have no line and our WR's cannot get separation. I banged the table build the line and draft skill players with those picks. 12, 53, 55 we could of drafted Billy Price and a competent WR. Why give so much for the QB if there is such a dearth of talent on the offense? Our offense is historically bad, and will only get worse with Peterman. Archie Manning is one of the most skilled QBs of all time. But he didn't do much in NFL because he played on a line that couldn't block and he had no WRs. I don't care if you put Tom Brady or Aaron Rogers at QB for the Bills. They would get pummeled and injured by week 6. WTF is the point of drafting a QB and putting off fixing a horrendous online and fielding the worst bunch of WR's in the NFL? And back to my point. Our offense is one of the worst the past 20 years. Stats show this. League scoring is at an all time high, and we cannot score a TD. We need all the picks we can get. Shady is 31 and way overpaid. Ivory is just as effective. Why include Shady in the rebuild? I would of rather traded him, and drafted his replacement. Tate was given away. Demaryous was given away. Josh Gordon was given away. Beane could of made some moves. But instead we are going to roll with Peterman, Benjamin as our #1, Andre as our 2, Zay in the slot.......WTF is that? Pete, maybe...just maybe.. they drafted Allen 1 year earlier than they expected him to start for us, so they didn´t care about fixing the O-line this season. You can tell they really trusted last season´s 5 pick game for NP was a fluke and they trusted him enough to risk starting with him... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Thankfully McBeane realized he can turn Benjamin into a viable #1 WR.... I see a contract extension happening soon.... 15M per season for 6 years seems fair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 12 minutes ago, Pete said: Shady would be great on the Eagles or Colts. He will suck in Buffalo. Keeping Shady makes no sense to me. Like you said, "it's called a rebuild. they want to get younger" 31 is ancient for a RB in NFL. I get what I can for him Why would Shady be great for the Eagles or Colts but not for us....he has had a VERY productive time with us. Fix this OL and he is back in business 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaLoko said: Pete, maybe...just maybe.. they drafted Allen 1 year earlier than they expected him to start for us, so they didn´t care about fixing the O-line this season. You can tell they really trusted last season´s 5 pick game for NP was a fluke and they trusted him enough to risk starting with him... I do think the plan was Josh to sit and learn this year. Then they go and trade McCarron. Our line cannot block anyone. Wait until next year when there is a flood of stud rookie Dline freaks to block. It is not going to get better. And if Beane cannot fix the offense this year, he is toast IMO. I would like to see 8 new starters next year on offense. Good luck with that Bills 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Why would Shady be great for the Eagles or Colts but not for us....he has had a VERY productive time with us. Fix this OL and he is back in business http://www.nfl.com/player/leseanmccoy/79607/gamelogs 3.4 yards per carry. 0 TDs. Look out Todd Gurley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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