Kirby Jackson Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Would be unusual for a rookie to get traded, but I wouldn't put it past that Rams team. Yeah, my thought is if they are pushing in this year it’s possible. They can take another one next year. Noteboom and a pick. Hughes is on a team-friendly deal for the production that he has. Pass rushing doesn’t come cheap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, whatdrought said: He's pretty well paid and hot and cold a lot. Would make sense to get some value going into an unprecedented deep draft for DE. His salary is average for a good defensive end, and he's in the upper echelon of RDEs in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, nucci said: So, we continue to weaken the team....now you have to replace one of your best defensive players....when do you plan on being a contender.... You will have to replace him when he declines anyway when you want to be a contender. It's like buying a new car and trading in your old vehicle for the black book value rather than it sit and rust to nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, nucci said: So, we continue to weaken the team....now you have to replace one of your best defensive players....when do you plan on being a contender.... I kinda get that but it doesn't improve the team...we just have to replace another player....you can't replace so many players at one time But if you're getting draft picks for him then it's problem solved. If you have the third pick and Nick Bosa is there, having that big Hughes contract might be the determining factor as to whether or not you can invest that pick in that. Furthermore, if you have an extra third kicking around you're less in need of a trade down to fill more holes. It's all an elaborate game. Also, Jerry is great, but don't forget that as many games as he has won for us, he has lost just as many by being an idiot and getting dumb flags when his emotions get going. He also has 8.5 sacks in 1.5 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Buddy Hix said: Why is McCoy still on this team? Buddy Hix - Best name and Avatar on this forum! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, whatdrought said: But if you're getting draft picks for him then it's problem solved. If you have the third pick and Nick Bosa is there, having that big Hughes contract might be the determining factor as to whether or not you can invest that pick in that. Furthermore, if you have an extra third kicking around you're less in need of a trade down to fill more holes. It's all an elaborate game. Also, Jerry is great, but don't forget that as many games as he has won for us, he has lost just as many by being an idiot and getting dumb flags when his emotions get going. He also has 8.5 sacks in 1.5 seasons. Ha....and very risky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) The worst part of today is remembering back to last year and how freaking psyched I was about Benjamin.... It's like eating a great meal and then puking the rest of the night from food poisoning. 1 minute ago, nucci said: Ha....and very risky Most definitely. But that's the way of the world. Sometimes you're Chip Kelly and become a laughing stock, and sometimes you're Drew Rosenhause and become one of the most respected men in the NFL. Edited October 30, 2018 by whatdrought 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 We seriously couldn't be bothered to spend a mid round pick on one of those receivers? Oh, we signed Pryor. Oh yay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: But if you're getting draft picks for him then it's problem solved. If you have the third pick and Nick Bosa is there, having that big Hughes contract might be the determining factor as to whether or not you can invest that pick in that. Furthermore, if you have an extra third kicking around you're less in need of a trade down to fill more holes. It's all an elaborate game. Also, Jerry is great, but don't forget that as many games as he has won for us, he has lost just as many by being an idiot and getting dumb flags when his emotions get going. He also has 8.5 sacks in 1.5 seasons. So a team that can barely score one touchdown every three games is setting itself up to draft a DE in the first round. Great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Perry Turtle said: So a team that can barely score one touchdown every three games is setting itself up to draft a DE in the first round. Great! I feel the same way, but when you're drafting top 3 you probably cant take a wideout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, thenorthremembers said: I feel the same way, but when you're drafting top 3 you probably cant take a wideout. No, you trade down and take a WR and a RT. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Perry Turtle said: So a team that can barely score one touchdown every three games is setting itself up to draft a DE in the first round. Great! I definitely see your point and I go back and forth on it a lot. But the honest truth is that last night when it mattered we didn't get to Brady, part of that is definitely the no calls on rapes and maulings that happened against our guys, but still - a great edge rusher can take this defense to elite status (ask the Bears) and they are harder to come by than other positions (ask the Raiders). But either way, you have to ask if Hughes is the guy long term. If he isn't then it makes sense to sell high to a team that is destroying the future for a chance at today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Perry Turtle said: So a team that can barely score one touchdown every three games is setting itself up to draft a DE in the first round. Great! You always take the best talent on the board. Imagine if we had taken Bill Fralik #1 overall in 1985 over Bruce Smith just because we have needed Oline more the previous year? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Fowler to Rams. No more Jerry trade. Rams don't believe in the draft. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 12 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: Why is McCoy still on this team? If the reports of several teams working to get him but the Bills standing firm refusing to deal are true.... ...the people running this team are f-ing idiots. We seem to have leverage and multiple bidders to help garner a good price, but we don't move him? LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Woodman19 said: You always take the best talent on the board. Imagine if we had taken Bill Fralik #1 overall in 1985 over Bruce Smith just because we have needed Oline more the previous year? The Bills also had a massive need at DE that season. It's not like they had a top 10 defense and a historically bad offense, and decided to draft Smith. The last two drafts they needed a CB and LB and did pretty good addressing those specific needs. Do the same in the next draft at OL and WR in the first, and they can turn things around quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said: No, you trade down and take a WR and a RT. And watch how our w/l record doesn't change in a meaningful way. We need a QB. Until we have one, none of it matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Fadingpain said: And watch how our w/l record doesn't change in a meaningful way. We need a QB. Until we have one, none of it matters. So what do you suggest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said: No, you trade down and take a WR and a RT. Now this I agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Draft a lt and move Dawkins to guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said: Now this I agree with. I don't Why pass on an elite prospect when you're in a position to get one while giving up nothing? Edited October 30, 2018 by thebandit27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Fadingpain said: And watch how our w/l record doesn't change in a meaningful way. We need a QB. Until we have one, none of it matters. Yeah, the assumption is that they have the QB, but that remains to be seen. Unfortunately, this draft looks like a EJ-like pool of candidates. The Bills really blew the '17 draft. It's going to set them back years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: I don't Why pass on an elite player when you're in a position to get one while giving up nothing? Those are all things you need to weigh. If you have the first pick you probably aren't trading down much further than five. So if you trade down to five, still get an elite talent at a position of need and then add a future 1st round pick as well I think you need to consider it. Basically, do you want Nick Bosa or would you rather have both Greedy Williams and N'Keal Harry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Why havent we traded Benjamin yet???? Is there even a market for him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I don't Why pass on an elite prospect when you're in a position to get one while giving up nothing? Said Donahoe when he drafted Willis McGahee or Buddy Nix when he drafted CJ Spiller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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whatdrought Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) Just now, One Buffalo said: HAHA! sorry. Actually not sure how to feel about this. On the one hand, I don't understand the Packers trading anyone at all when they're fighting for their lives. Secondly, the Redskins are just blah to me. Edited October 30, 2018 by whatdrought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, wppete said: Why havent we traded Benjamin yet???? Is there even a market for him? If you want to know why we haven't traded him yet then perhaps you know why he hasn't been trading. Teams don't like players that give 50%. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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whatdrought Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said: Said Donahoe when he drafted Willis McGahee or Buddy Nix when he drafted CJ Spiller. Because Elite Passrushers are not the same as running backs. The trade down idea is not a bad one (especially in a loaded front 7 draft.) but the topic was about if trading Hughes would be bad, and I don't think it necessarily would have. Edited October 30, 2018 by whatdrought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, wppete said: Clinton-Dix in Washington? It's the 90s again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said: So a team that can barely score one touchdown every three games is setting itself up to draft a DE in the first round. Great! Not necessarily. While I don't like this move as he isn't at the end of his career and feel like the defense should not really be touched right now while it's working, my guess is that they would look to sign a DE in free agency (as the word is that is one of the spots there will be good players), maybe re-sign Murphy if he does well, and evaluate Shaq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, wppete said: Why havent we traded Benjamin yet???? Is there even a market for him? I already told you why...Beane is going to eat the trade he made to get him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, wppete said: Why havent we traded Benjamin yet???? Is there even a market for him? You may have answered your own question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: Clinton-Dix in Washington? It's the 90s again. Where do i go to nominate for post of the year? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, wppete said: Why havent we traded Benjamin yet???? Is there even a market for him? There was reportedly a deal in place with Houston to get a 6th in exchange for KB and a 5th, but the Texans backed out. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, whatdrought said: Because Elite Passrushers are the same as running backs. The trade down idea is not a bad one (especially in a loaded front 7 draft.) but the topic was about if trading Hughes would be bad, and I don't think it necessarily would have. According to the genius Bills GMs who made those picks, I guess they were. Anyway, those picks were justified as BPA. As for elite pass rushers, if you replace Hughes with a JJ Watt who is in his prime, how many more wins do the Bills have this season with their current offense. How many more years do the Bills have to tank before they add talent to the offense? Anyway, it looks like Hughes is staying, and the defense will likely finish top 10 while the offense falls to 32nd. It'll be interesting to see how Beane decides to build a modern NFL offense next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said: Yeah, the assumption is that they have the QB, but that remains to be seen. Unfortunately, this draft looks like a EJ-like pool of candidates. The Bills really blew the '17 draft. It's going to set them back years. If Allen works out, then they really did not. They may have got two elite players in addition to their QB. I get the frustration as Mahomes is looking like an MVP and Watson has looked good at times, but as you said, Allen does remain to be seen, but his ceiling is very high, so to say they blew the '17 draft is premature. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, KD in CA said: There was reportedly a deal in place with Houston to get a 6th in exchange for KB and a 5th, but the Texans backed out. That thought we meant Benjamin Button and Kelvin Shepherd. Word is when they heard we meant Kelvin Benjamin they immediately lost cell service. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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