Picking Mcdermott over McVay

[MPT]

1 minute ago, Da webster guy said:

Hmmmm.

 

Best runner in the league

Best Interior DL in the league

Franchise qb

 

What coach wouldn't do well?  

 

Gurley was awful his second year. Goff looked like a bust. A good coach gets the most out of his players. 

[LFC24]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

I truly believe you'd be saying the same thing about Mcvay right now, until this roster is rebuilt this is what we are. The defense can only hold so much with an offense that can't generate any points, Daboll can only do so much but we need to see way more creativity. I don't care if we have to reinvent the wildcat, we need to start putting points on the board, flea flickers, statue of liberty, old school Green Bay Packers Power Sweep, it would be nice to just say screw it and start doing something outside the box on offense.

 

nope

 

McVay means no Brandon Beane. So there is a chance we could have had actual talent on this roster. 

[SoTier]

58 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

 

What's your point?

 

Chuck Knox coached the 1981 Bills to the playoffs.

Mike Ditka coached the 1985 Bears to a Lombardi.

Bill Parcells coached the Giants to a win over the Bills in the 1991 Super Bowl.

 

All these "successful" HCs supposedly without great QBs had their success 2 or 3 or more decades ago.

[Ol Dirty B]

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

Chuck Knox coached the 1981 Bills to the playoffs.

Mike Ditka coached the 1985 Bears to a Lombardi.

Bill Parcells coached the Giants to a win over the Bills in the 1991 Super Bowl.

 

All these "successful" HCs supposedly without great QBs had their success 2 or 3 or more decades ago.

 

His post made no sense. He essentially called all those QBs crap, then asked you what is your point when you pointed out the difference in eras. I'd ignore him if I were you.

 

You're right and idk he's going to straddle a fence for 20 years. Doesn't sound comfortable

[Saint Doug]

2 hours ago, papazoid said:

please name some great coaches who didn't have a great QB

 

I would add Bill Cowher to this list. He had to deal with some really horrible QBs; Slash Stewart, Tommy Maddox, and some other forgetful souls, but they still fielded a decent playoff-caliber team. Getting Big Ben put them over the hump. 

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

He didn't need "his guys", McVay inherited a 2nd year QB, the best RB in the league, picked up Woods in FA. What talent did Beane inherit? The only bright spot was Shady and although I liked Woods alot he was always going back to California.

 

Keep making excuses for McDermott. 

[dhg]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

I know.  But he also won a Super Bowl without him.  And a lot of people would not consider Simms “great”.

Simms is not in the HOF 

[Billsatlastin2018]

Not disagreeing with the OP and others, but please point to just ONE year, where OBD got ANYTHING right, this Millennium!

 

Owners, HCs, GMs, QBs, WRs, TEs, LBs, etc., etc.

 

There are so many whiffs, stiffs and busts chosen by any of these clowns, you might as well have the proverbial monkey tapping the typewriter! 

Spielberg couldn't invent how inept and clueless they have been, year over year over year! 

[KOKBILLS]

Yawn...?

 

Good grief...

 

Look...There are a few undeniable facts about the 2018 Buffalo Bills...They have the most dead cap money in the NFL, and this was the plan pretty much from day #1 of the McBeane union...The greatly unlikely Playoff appearance last year probably gave them the impression that they could do things with this roster no one expected...Instead, it's gone the way it logically should when you have about half-a-roster of talent...No one should be surprised...It was kind of the plan...

 

But...They will likely have a Top 5 pick in 2019, and as many as 9 more picks after that one...They will have a slew of cap space...They'll have a Top 10 QB with a little experience under his belt, and they will very likely have a Top 10 Defense when more reinforcements are added...

 

There was always the chance this season would go bad...It's not like you have to be all that smart to figure there was a chance this could happen...But the time to really judge McD and Beane will start next season...If there's more of this next year then all bets are off...But I'm not going to pine over an obviously talented young HC who just-so-happens to have one of, if not the most talented overall roster in the entire league...Not yet at least...?

 

 

[fridge]

This is one of those ones where I don't want to hear crap about hindsight is 50/50. Anyone that knows me knows I was actively calling for McVay.

 

I really don't understand our desire for ultra conservatism.  Last year we made the playoffs and it was the flukiest thing ever.  I flew from LA to JAX and had an absolutely miserable time watching Marrone HAND US THE GAME on a platter.  Outside of one drive where McDermott's D let Blake f***ing Bortles run for like 40 yards, the Jaguars did nothing.  They gave us the ball several times in good field position and we squandered it due to a complete misunderstanding of how and when to coach aggressively.

 

I guess this is just another dumb rant, but really I'm discouraged by our front office.  They've shown me no reason to think they're the answer, and I have a very similar feeling to how I felt around 25 games into all of our coaches since Wade.

[SoTier]

2 minutes ago, eanyills said:

 

 

Can we put this Rams didn’t gut their roster narrative to bed? The Rams have made a lot of significant roster moves, especially to key positions.

 

In year 1,

New starting WR1, WR2, WR3, TE, LT, C, RG; DT, LB, CB1, FS, SS

 

In year 2, 

WR1 (again), TE, RG; DT, ALL 4 starting LB, CB1, CB2, CB3

 

 

They made roster moves in order to improve the talent at those positions.  "Gutting the roster" means that current players are cut and replaced with lesser players instead of better ones.  What positions did the Bills actually improve other than CB and S?  Certainly not WR or OL 

[Big Blitz]

McVay went to the Rams bc the franchise QB was in place.  This isnt even a discussion.

[Ol Dirty B]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

McVay went to the Rams bc the franchise QB was in place.  This isnt even a discussion.

 

It's not a discussion because they didnt even offer him an interview. 

 

He didn't even have the chance to say no. If he said no, nothing they can do about it. Instead they went defense again. The owners are ***** lost. I wish them and rex just took that ***** yacht and went to Cuba.

[Paulus]

3 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

Did McVay want to go to the Rams, with their shiny #1 QB or to the Bills, with Tyrod?

McVay chose the Rams. This OP is very incorrect.

[Cruiserplayer]

It may or may not end well but we hired the youngest up and coming coordinator with a vision that would take the HC job. McVay wasn’t coming here.

[fridge]

12 minutes ago, Cruiserplayer said:

It may or may not end well but we hired the youngest up and coming coordinator with a vision that would take the HC job. McVay wasn’t coming here.

 

What? McVay was like 30 when he was hired. Surely that's younger than McDermott.

[popcornpam]

Any GM  could rip up a NFL roster  The question is can they find talent and then coach them?  

 

Look how many draft picks Cleveland has had over the years. 

[Cruiserplayer]

1 minute ago, fridge said:

 

What? McVay was like 30 when he was hired. Surely that's younger than McDermott.

McVay is the youngest HC ever I believe. If you were that young and obviously in demand would you choose LA and a new qb to mold or Buffalo and Tyrod.

6 minutes ago, fridge said:

 

What? McVay was like 30 when he was hired. Surely that's younger than McDermott.

I see what you were saying. I meant the youngest coordinator we had a chance to hire.

[CIrvine]

3 hours ago, Watkins90 said:

The dude is in the Hall of Fame. I think its safe to say he is great. Those who don't are idiots. Or, the NFL HOF are idiots. 

Also, Simms got hurt the year they beat the Bills. So, yeah he won with a back-up, but Simms was a part of the team. 

Some day Eli Manning will be in the Hall of Fame, and I do not consider him great.

[jahnyc]

Unfortunately, I believe that our options have been more limited than most teams when it comes to hiring new GMs and coaches, as well as free agent acquisition, due to the combination of recent franchise reputation, ownership and the realities of being a small market team.  This also has impacted our ability to retain players.  It probably does not help that the Pegulas do not have a team structure with a strong president, which may have helped mitigate these issues.

 

Overall, there has been a level of front office ineptness over the last 20 plus years that is difficult to fathom.  I am tired of each new regime trying to convince us that they are smarter than everyone else and then failing miserably with head scratching decisions. 

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Except that Goff hardly looked all that great as a rookie so there was a real question about whether he was a massive bust.  Wentz was the only one of the 2016 first round QBs who truly looked promising after his rookie campaign.

 

Errr.... Dak? 

 

Wentz and Goff's rookie campaigns were much closer than the box scores showed. Take it from someone who went back that summer and graded every snap. Wentz was better... but the perception that it was a big gap was wrong. I was pretty confident after that work that Goff would come good and said so on here. 

[Chimp]

4 hours ago, fridge said:

 

What? McVay was like 30 when he was hired. Surely that's younger than McDermott.

Read that again.  You missed it.

[PeterDude]

6 hours ago, fridge said:

This is one of those ones where I don't want to hear crap about hindsight is 50/50. Anyone that knows me knows I was actively calling for McVay.

 

I really don't understand our desire for ultra conservatism.  Last year we made the playoffs and it was the flukiest thing ever.  I flew from LA to JAX and had an absolutely miserable time watching Marrone HAND US THE GAME on a platter.  Outside of one drive where McDermott's D let Blake f***ing Bortles run for like 40 yards, the Jaguars did nothing.  They gave us the ball several times in good field position and we squandered it due to a complete misunderstanding of how and when to coach aggressively.

 

I guess this is just another dumb rant, but really I'm discouraged by our front office.  They've shown me no reason to think they're the answer, and I have a very similar feeling to how I felt around 25 games into all of our coaches since Wade.

 

The McBeane experiment should be cancelled, sooner rather than later IMO.

[dlonce]

8 hours ago, mannc said:

Bill Parcells.  Don Shula (pre-Marino).  I know, that was a while ago...

 

Don Shula, pre Marino had Johnny Unitas and Bob Griese. 

Those guys were really good QBs. 

 

[Fadingpain]

9 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Yes lets build the anomaly that has a razor thin margin of error and even a smaller window of long term success. That is the Run First and play defense model. 

 

 

That's what the defense/run people never seem to understand.

For that to work, about many variables have to work in your favor, consistently.  Which is almost impossible to orchestrate with any type of predictability, and in fact, defensive performance is totally unpredictable.  It's up and down around the league all the time. 

 

With a strong passing attack lots can go wrong every game and you can still win/bail yourself out of trouble.

 

 

[SoTier]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Errr.... Dak? 

 

Wentz and Goff's rookie campaigns were much closer than the box scores showed. Take it from someone who went back that summer and graded every snap. Wentz was better... but the perception that it was a big gap was wrong. I was pretty confident after that work that Goff would come good and said so on here. 

 

Dak wasn't a first rounder.  He lasted until the fourth IIRC. 

[GunnerBill]

48 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Dak wasn't a first rounder.  He lasted until the fourth IIRC. 

 

Indeed. I missed that you specified 1st rounder. 

[T master]

 

2 years ago we could have left Anthony Lynn in place & kept the continuity of his offense in place along with Kromer as our O line coach to keep the top 5 rushing attack that we had which would have kept the consistency with the offense & made total sense but they didn't !

 

And 2 years before that we could have kept Schwartz on as HC or Rex could have just left him alone & brought in some of the coaches he did then when they fired him we would have had Schwartz & Lynn in place but Rex expertise over rides those decisions !!

 

Now he just wishes Jerry would have played as hard for him DUH !! 

 

It's all water under the bridge & we have to live with what we have until they decide the experiment is over !! 

[Watkins90]

11 hours ago, CIrvine said:

Some day Eli Manning will be in the Hall of Fame, and I do not consider him great.

In his prime, Eli Manning was good with great games sprinkled in. Eli is nothing close to great now. 

[Rebel101]

15 hours ago, LFC24 said:

2 years ago we had a chance to pick the young offensive minded coach or the conservative defensive minded coach. 

 

We had a chance to erase almost 2 decades of mediocrity and not make the same mistake of hiring the same old defensive minded coach who has no idea how to develop a QB or run a offense. 

 

Rams took the risk, Pegula played it safe. One coach is running the best team in the NFL and the other is on a downward spiral  being blown out every other week with no real plan for the future. Offensive minds like McVay really do not come around that often in this league. He was special and we made a massive mistake not hiring him. Sean McVay would have been the perfect coach to develop Allen into the QB he has the potential to become. Missing out on players in the draft hurts, but making wrong decisions like this cripples a franchise and 

I don’t think Mcvay would have even took Allen to be honest. But we’d never know. And this is what the bills do. 31 years of watching ***** never changes. People have it set in their head that the Buffalo Bills need to be defense first and run the ball. Until someone changes their perception of what football is in Buffalo it will always be the same

[John from Riverside]

15 hours ago, LFC24 said:

2 years ago we had a chance to pick the young offensive minded coach or the conservative defensive minded coach. 

 

We had a chance to erase almost 2 decades of mediocrity and not make the same mistake of hiring the same old defensive minded coach who has no idea how to develop a QB or run a offense. 

 

Rams took the risk, Pegula played it safe. One coach is running the best team in the NFL and the other is on a downward spiral  being blown out every other week with no real plan for the future. Offensive minds like McVay really do not come around that often in this league. He was special and we made a massive mistake not hiring him. Sean McVay would have been the perfect coach to develop Allen into the QB he has the potential to become. Missing out on players in the draft hurts, but making wrong decisions like this cripples a franchise and 

Could you please explain what you mean by playing it safe?

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

12 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Keep making excuses for McDermott. 

 

Am I wrong? Had Mcdermott taken the Rams job what would he really had to have changed? Getting WR help? More secondary help? Call it excuses I guess but I just feel Mcvay would be in the same boat here that McDermott is in. 

13 hours ago, LFC24 said:

 

nope

 

McVay means no Brandon Beane. So there is a chance we could have had actual talent on this roster. 

 

I really don't get that since he's only been the GM of this team not even a full year but you're entitled to your opinion.

[eanyills]

On 10/22/2018 at 12:44 PM, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

Am I wrong? Had Mcdermott taken the Rams job what would he really had to have changed? Getting WR help? More secondary help? Call it excuses I guess but I just feel Mcvay would be in the same boat here that McDermott is in. 

 

I really don't get that since he's only been the GM of this team not even a full year but you're entitled to your opinion.

 

Since McVay took over, The Rams have replaced 2 starting OL, top 4 WR, starting TE, and their top-3 CB’s among others. The Aaron Donald or Gurley situation could have also blown up if the Rams decided they weren’t worth the money (like Mack or Bell).

 

It’s not like nothing has changed in LA. I don’t think McDermott identifies the WR talent at the very least and he’s definitely not drawing up the creative scheming you see the Rams run every week.