Roundybout Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, HOF4LOU said: Terry liked him. Wanted him. Wow, watching him tonight, he's like a seasoned pro When did that happen? Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just now, papazoid said: 2018 - $50 mil in Dead Money = Tanking 2019 - $100 mil in cap space = fixes a lot of problems Im going to keep asking this because it doesn’t seem like people get it. Do you know how many teams are going to have a lot of cap space this offseason? Answer: A lot People keep talking as if we are going to be one of the only teams with money to spend. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, SoTier said: Anthony Lynn wanted to be the Bills HC permanently. Instead, he went West to the Chargers. He coached the Chargers to 9-7 and missed the playoffs last season on tie-breakers, and has the Bolts at 5-2 this season. I guess he wasn't committed enough to "The Process" to suit the Pegulas. Would YOU have wanted to keep any Rex hires? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Im going to keep asking this because it doesn’t seem like people get it. Do you know how many teams are going to have a lot of cap space this offseason? Answer: A lot People keep talking as if we are going to be one of the only teams with money to spend. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2019/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF4LOU Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Then Terry should hold McD accountable His last college year he had 65% accuracy, 5000 yards and 40 TDs. Not sure I remember anyone talking about drafting him that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: What in their History makes you think that they will get it right. McD OC choices? his WR choices? Handling of the QB? the Ol they thought was good? what??? The plan that is currently working in Kansas City, Philadelphia and Carolina. That is what Sean is doing here so be patient and let them work. We aren't winning this year so get used to it.we need next offseason to rebuild and then time for those players to develop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, papazoid said: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2019/ Okay? 18 teams will have $30 mil or more in cap space next year. Yeah, we have a lot, but it means nothing if players don’t want to come here. I bet we’ll be overspending this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF4LOU Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: When did that happen? Source? It's what I heard. Terry did a lot of research on him. Doesn't matter the source, we didn't draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: The plan that is currently working in Kansas City, Philadelphia and Carolina. That is what Sean is doing here so be patient and let them work. We aren't winning this year so get used to it.we need next offseason to rebuild and then time for those players to develop. A year of dead cap hell. A year to try and fill all those holes they created. A few years for those players to develop. So, if all goes according to plan, we’ll be ready to compete in 2022. Great! Can’t wait! Edited October 22, 2018 by Bangarang 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: The plan that is currently working in Kansas City, Philadelphia and Carolina. That is what Sean is doing here so be patient and let them work. We aren't winning this year so get used to it.we need next offseason to rebuild and then time for those players to develop. So nothing that McD and Daboll and Beane have to hang their hat on. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, HOF4LOU said: It's what I heard. Terry did a lot of research on him. Doesn't matter the source, we didn't draft him. Doesnt make sense to me. Terry is the owner. If he’s going to fire the GM because he didn’t pick the QB he wanted then why not pick the guy you want and fire the GM anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Okay? 18 teams will have $30 mil or more in cap space next year. Yeah, we have a lot, but it means nothing if players don’t want to come here. I bet we’ll be overspending this offseason. Yep and perfectly set uo for the next purge and dead money excuse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) The what if threads are not annoying at all. Edited October 22, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Im going to keep asking this because it doesn’t seem like people get it. Do you know how many teams are going to have a lot of cap space this offseason? Answer: A lot People keep talking as if we are going to be one of the only teams with money to spend. Correct. The Niners and Jets had a lot more cap room last offseason than the Bills will have this offseason and they found the pickings slim in FA. Clearly didn't fix their problems. Lots of teams with lots of cap room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Yep and perfectly set uo for the next purge and dead money excuse Wash, rinse and repeat. The next regime will have to clean up this regime’s mess too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: You people are pathetic , boo boo we won last year but aren't now so let's just B word , piss and moan about this season and cry until we start all over again. and when that doesn't work you will do it all again. The fact that you think going 9-7 and squeaking into the WC game is WINNING says everything in the world about where our expectations have gone as fans of this franchise. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Agreed generally, take an offensive guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Okay? 18 teams will have $30 mil or more in cap space next year. Yeah, we have a lot, but it means nothing if players don’t want to come here. I bet we’ll be overspending this offseason. yea, i'm sure they will have to over pay a couple F/A's but there are value F/A's to be had...…..poyer , hyde, hauschka = $14 mil in 2019 cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 32 minutes ago, papazoid said: please name some great coaches who didn't have a great QB Bill Parcells,Mike Ditka,Chuck Knox etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Would YOU have wanted to keep any Rex hires? Yes, I would. The Bills offense in 2016 was about the best it had been since 1999, and played well for Lynn when it struggled under Ryan's original OC, Greg Roman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, papazoid said: 2018 - $50 mil in Dead Money = Tanking 2019 - $100 mil in cap space = fixes a lot of problems Their are going to be a lot of teams with a lot of cap space. The important question is will any good players want to play for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, LFC24 said: 2 years ago we had a chance to pick the young offensive minded coach or the conservative defensive minded coach. We had a chance to erase almost 2 decades of mediocrity and not make the same mistake of hiring the same old defensive minded coach who has no idea how to develop a QB or run a offense. Rams took the risk, Pegula played it safe. One coach is running the best team in the NFL and the other is on a downward spiral being blown out every other week with no real plan for the future. Offensive minds like McVay really do not come around that often in this league. He was special and we made a massive mistake not hiring him. Sean McVay would have been the perfect coach to develop Allen into the QB he has the potential to become. Missing out on players in the draft hurts, but making wrong decisions like this cripples a franchise and I truly believe you'd be saying the same thing about Mcvay right now, until this roster is rebuilt this is what we are. The defense can only hold so much with an offense that can't generate any points, Daboll can only do so much but we need to see way more creativity. I don't care if we have to reinvent the wildcat, we need to start putting points on the board, flea flickers, statue of liberty, old school Green Bay Packers Power Sweep, it would be nice to just say screw it and start doing something outside the box on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Rico said: When did McVay interview with the Bills? The issue is he never turned down a Bills interview. The fact they never attempted to get him is the problem. What offensive minded coach did they even kick the tires on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF4LOU Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Doesnt make sense to me. Terry is the owner. If he’s going to fire the GM because he didn’t pick the QB he wanted then why not pick the guy you want and fire the GM anyway? They didn't have a gm, remember? Whaley was put in the corner that draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, RochesterRob said: To my knowledge he did not. He may have even put it out through closed channels that there were certain teams that he would not consider which included the Bills. In my mind this happens every time we go through a HC vetting. Sometimes word gets back to the fanbase but more than often it stays behind closed doors. The year Buddy Nix got the GM job for the Bills I ran into Dave Caldwell who was with the Falcons at the time. I asked Dave if he put in for the Bills GM spot. Dave is from western New York and grew up a Bills fan. Dave told me he passed on it. Dimitrof warned Dave of going to the Bills at the time. Point being, of course guys will pass on the chance. I am willing to give McDermott and Beane one more complete year to show they can find the same level of talent on offense as they did on defense. McVay is a good coach who didn’t interview with the Bills. By your logic why isn’t Belichick the Bills coach?! Or any successful coach since Marv retired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Bill Parcells,Mike Ditka,Chuck Knox etc. all had pro bowl QB's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: The fact that you think going 9-7 and squeaking into the WC game is WINNING says everything in the world about where our expectations have gone as fans of this franchise. No you don't get it. This year we are supposed to lose, and you're the loser for not accepting that. Something about the tank and idk, gym teachers are smart, process, respect the football 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said: What do you consider winning? Is this a serious question? For the past 15 years, there are teams that are always "in the hunt" for a title. New England, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, etc. There's a reason for that -- they don't "hope" to win games. They have offenses capable of taking the game over and ensuring the desired outcome. The Bills are once again doing it backwards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, SoTier said: Yes, I would. The Bills offense in 2016 was about the best it had been since 1999, and played well for Lynn when it struggled under Ryan's original OC, Greg Roman. Im not sure why we fired Roman since his offense wasn't the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 How about Brandon Beane over Brett Veach. Now the GM of the Chiefs and the guy who fell in love with Mahomes and convinced Andy Reid he was their guy. Veach was also the guy Shady McCoy was pushing the Bill's to interview with when we had our GM vacancy. Oh well.....should a, would a, could a.....the Pegulas whiffed again. They've had a brutal go of it this far, little reason for optimism we these guys heading the ship. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Lol @ the idea that we passed on McVay as appose to him choosing LA over Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Im not sure why we fired Roman since his offense wasn't the problem. It was Rex trying to save himself. I agree. 5 minutes ago, VW82 said: Lol @ the idea that we passed on McVay as appose to him choosing LA over Buffalo. He wasn't even given the option 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: The plan that is currently working in Kansas City, Philadelphia and Carolina. That is what Sean is doing here so be patient and let them work. We aren't winning this year so get used to it.we need next offseason to rebuild and then time for those players to develop. Are you serious? How, exactly, are KC and Philly examples of "the plan"??? Both of those teams are offensive powerhouses embracing offensive innovation not trying to resurrect the 1980s. 7 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Bill Parcells,Mike Ditka,Chuck Knox etc. This is 2018 not 1981, 1985 or 1991. 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I truly believe you'd be saying the same thing about Mcvay right now, until this roster is rebuilt this is what we are. The defense can only hold so much with an offense that can't generate any points, Daboll can only do so much but we need to see way more creativity. I don't care if we have to reinvent the wildcat, we need to start putting points on the board, flea flickers, statue of liberty, old school Green Bay Packers Power Sweep, it would be nice to just say screw it and start doing something outside the box on offense. McVay didn't gut the Rams in order to bring in "his guys". He built on the talented players already on the Rams on both sides of the ball even if his experience came from the offensive side. He wouldn't have gutted the Bills offense just because they played for his predecessor. He'd have hired first rate coordinators, too: DC Wade Phillips, OC Ken Whisenhunt, STC: Jim Fassel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 The Rams were pretty openly mocked for hiring a guy as young as McVay. I don't think the Bills were ever in in him. Vance Joseph, Anthony Lynn, Harold Goodwin I remember being the rumors. Anyway, the Rams clearly made a great choice, but I am not sure he would have had the same amount of success here. Im not ready to call McDermott a failure, but he isn't getting results. Let's see how the team responds next week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, LFC24 said: 2 years ago we had a chance to pick the young offensive minded coach or the conservative defensive minded coach. We had a chance to erase almost 2 decades of mediocrity and not make the same mistake of hiring the same old defensive minded coach who has no idea how to develop a QB or run a offense. Rams took the risk, Pegula played it safe. One coach is running the best team in the NFL and the other is on a downward spiral being blown out every other week with no real plan for the future. Offensive minds like McVay really do not come around that often in this league. He was special and we made a massive mistake not hiring him. Sean McVay would have been the perfect coach to develop Allen into the QB he has the potential to become. Missing out on players in the draft hurts, but making wrong decisions like this cripples a franchise and McVeigh took over a team that is similar to ours right now. Solid defense, good rb, struggling young QB and no WRs.... Can’t imagine us taking a step like they did on offense next year, but with the right moves can make big progress next season on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, papazoid said: all had pro bowl QB's Like who...? McMahon,Simms,Ferragamo...they were pro bowlers? 7 minutes ago, SoTier said: This is 2018 not 1981, 1985 or 1991. What's your point? Edited October 22, 2018 by Misterbluesky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, SoTier said: Are you serious? How, exactly, are KC and Philly examples of "the plan"??? Both of those teams are offensive powerhouses embracing offensive innovation not trying to resurrect the 1980s. This is 2018 not 1981, 1985 or 1991. McVay didn't gut the Rams in order to bring in "his guys". He built on the talented players already on the Rams on both sides of the ball even if his experience came from the offensive side. He wouldn't have gutted the Bills offense just because they played for his predecessor. He'd have hired first rate coordinators, too: DC Wade Phillips, OC Ken Whisenhunt, STC: Jim Fassel. They've also done everything that flys in the face of these dead cap, bad contract excuse makers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Hmmmm. Best runner in the league Best Interior DL in the league Franchise qb What coach wouldn't do well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Da webster guy said: Hmmmm. Best runner in the league Best Interior DL in the league Franchise qb What coach wouldn't do well? Goff was hardly a franchise QB when McVay got there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, SoTier said: Are you serious? How, exactly, are KC and Philly examples of "the plan"??? Both of those teams are offensive powerhouses embracing offensive innovation not trying to resurrect the 1980s. This is 2018 not 1981, 1985 or 1991. McVay didn't gut the Rams in order to bring in "his guys". He built on the talented players already on the Rams on both sides of the ball even if his experience came from the offensive side. He wouldn't have gutted the Bills offense just because they played for his predecessor. He'd have hired first rate coordinators, too: DC Wade Phillips, OC Ken Whisenhunt, STC: Jim Fassel. He didn't need "his guys", McVay inherited a 2nd year QB, the best RB in the league, picked up Woods in FA. What talent did Beane inherit? The only bright spot was Shady and although I liked Woods alot he was always going back to California. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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