BruceVilanch Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 This might be a little long winded but here it goes. I work as an executive manager and have been doing it now for 6 years, my first year was filled with lots of ups and downs and I made some stupid mistakes and was learning on the fly for the better part of 6 months. At the 6 month mark we hired another manager from a different agency who was about 15 years older than me and worked in management for the better part of his life. He wasn't the most effective manager and was riding this job out until his retirement and was essentially going through the motions, but he did provide lots of insight to me on how do get through the mundane day to day tasks and how to handle crisis situations because he had seen it before. I was much younger than he was and had more "Potential" and now I am in a higher position than he ever got to but learning from him during my first year was invaluable to my development. Regardless of DA's stats there is something to be said about having a guy who has seen things that JA has not, there is something to be said about having a guy in a room who can teach the nuance of the game that comes from a guy who has been in the league for years. Hopefully this little break will give JA a chance to mentally reset, because this is a lot for a kid to take in. Go Bills! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 If its such a great idea why did it take until week 6 to bring Anderson in. Beane is incompetent fool. Wastes draft piakc and trades away more talent than he acquirers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 22 minutes ago, Jeetz1231 said: This might be a little long winded but here it goes. I work as an executive manager and have been doing it now for 6 years, my first year was filled with lots of ups and downs and I made some stupid mistakes and was learning on the fly for the better part of 6 months. At the 6 month mark we hired another manager from a different agency who was about 15 years older than me and worked in management for the better part of his life. He wasn't the most effective manager and was riding this job out until his retirement and was essentially going through the motions, but he did provide lots of insight to me on how do get through the mundane day to day tasks and how to handle crisis situations because he had seen it before. I was much younger than he was and had more "Potential" and now I am in a higher position than he ever got to but learning from him during my first year was invaluable to my development. Regardless of DA's stats there is something to be said about having a guy who has seen things that JA has not, there is something to be said about having a guy in a room who can teach the nuance of the game that comes from a guy who has been in the league for years. Hopefully this little break will give JA a chance to mentally reset, because this is a lot for a kid to take in. Go Bills! Koolaide is a helluva drug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 21 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Koolaide is a helluva drug haha, I know the situation right now is not ideal but this is better than him and peterman alone in the QB room, at least the guy has experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Dadonkadonk said: If its such a great idea why did it take until week 6 to bring Anderson in. Beane is incompetent fool. Wastes draft piakc and trades away more talent than he acquirers. He was incompetent in this regard, and having a veteran on the roster is a huge asset to a young QB. Both can be true... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, BigDingus said: He was incompetent in this regard, and having a veteran on the roster is a huge asset to a young QB. Both can be true... We all know it has been the better part of 2 weeks since we hired DA but we have to complain that it took two weeks. Please dont insert facts like this. It plays against our right to complain. Jesh! BTW, good post @Jeetz1231. I agree 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: If its such a great idea why did it take until week 6 to bring Anderson in. Beane is incompetent fool. Wastes draft piakc and trades away more talent than he acquirers. ....sounds like McBeaned made the final decision to dump AJ for the "coveted 5th".......McDermott came from two different scenarios regarding rookie QB: (1) start rook now ala Cam or (2) let him sit and learn ala McNabb......get the impression he preferred the "McNabb approach" but was trumped............ Edited October 18, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 i think this should help josh a lot. he can be on the sideline with the headset on and listen to all the communications. he can watch and listen to how derek manages the game. this may have been a blessing in disguise. hopefully we get a win this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Jeetz1231 said: This might be a little long winded but here it goes. I work as an executive manager and have been doing it now for 6 years, my first year was filled with lots of ups and downs and I made some stupid mistakes and was learning on the fly for the better part of 6 months. At the 6 month mark we hired another manager from a different agency who was about 15 years older than me and worked in management for the better part of his life. He wasn't the most effective manager and was riding this job out until his retirement and was essentially going through the motions, but he did provide lots of insight to me on how do get through the mundane day to day tasks and how to handle crisis situations because he had seen it before. I was much younger than he was and had more "Potential" and now I am in a higher position than he ever got to but learning from him during my first year was invaluable to my development. Regardless of DA's stats there is something to be said about having a guy who has seen things that JA has not, there is something to be said about having a guy in a room who can teach the nuance of the game that comes from a guy who has been in the league for years. Hopefully this little break will give JA a chance to mentally reset, because this is a lot for a kid to take in. Go Bills! Prior to bringing in the lazy experienced boob to instruct you, the young wunderkind, had your organization hired a series of coaches including a specialized Jeetz coach whose focus was to develop you? Can you imagine a coaching room where McDermott, Daboll and David Culley (25 years of coaching experinence) are sitting around saying "I don't know how the hell to get a rookie ready for a game. I think we need a scrub like Derek Anderson. Maybe he can teach us all. " 90% plus of Anderson's experience is in how to prepare to be the backup who is not expected to play. His experience applies much better to Nate Peterman. Heck if you combine a Anderson's experience with Peterman's well of adversity he has accumulated and mix in a little McBeane culture we might be able to develop the best QB ever whose sole job is to ride the pine. Andersons value to the team is to be better than Peterman. No one will know until Sunday if that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Yea, we're ******. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 We had a fairly seasoned vet, but when Oakland dangled a 5th with him currently being 3rd on the depth chart at the time they made a decision to let him go. In hindsight it was likely the wrong decision, but those things happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 33 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Prior to bringing in the lazy experienced boob to instruct you, the young wunderkind, had your organization hired a series of coaches including a specialized Jeetz coach whose focus was to develop you? Can you imagine a coaching room where McDermott, Daboll and David Culley (25 years of coaching experinence) are sitting around saying "I don't know how the hell to get a rookie ready for a game. I think we need a scrub like Derek Anderson. Maybe he can teach us all. " 90% plus of Anderson's experience is in how to prepare to be the backup who is not expected to play. His experience applies much better to Nate Peterman. Heck if you combine a Anderson's experience with Peterman's well of adversity he has accumulated and mix in a little McBeane culture we might be able to develop the best QB ever whose sole job is to ride the pine. Andersons value to the team is to be better than Peterman. No one will know until Sunday if that is the case. Ha ha, no we unfortunately didn't have a "Jeetz" coach, but the point is having someone who has seen things before in any line of work makes it a lot easier. I'm sure your first year at whatever profession you currently have you weren't as effective as you are now. I'm sure there was someone there who was more senior to you who helped train you at your job, and helped guide you through situations you hadn't seen before and for some hearing advice from someone the same rank (current QB to current QB) can go further than hearing it from a coach. I'm not saying by any means that this is going to turn the franchise around this year all I am saying is there is a positive to having DA on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 I think that people are forgetting McCarron wanted out. Do some research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 42 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Prior to bringing in the lazy experienced boob to instruct you, the young wunderkind, had your organization hired a series of coaches including a specialized Jeetz coach whose focus was to develop you? Can you imagine a coaching room where McDermott, Daboll and David Culley (25 years of coaching experinence) are sitting around saying "I don't know how the hell to get a rookie ready for a game. I think we need a scrub like Derek Anderson. Maybe he can teach us all. " 90% plus of Anderson's experience is in how to prepare to be the backup who is not expected to play. His experience applies much better to Nate Peterman. Heck if you combine a Anderson's experience with Peterman's well of adversity he has accumulated and mix in a little McBeane culture we might be able to develop the best QB ever whose sole job is to ride the pine. Andersons value to the team is to be better than Peterman. No one will know until Sunday if that is the case. We know this right now. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: We know this right now. It is hard to imagine being worse than Peterman. I will grant you that. But this is the Bills. And anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 22 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I think that people are forgetting McCarron wanted out. Do some research I didn't hear specifically that he wanted out, but I suspect he did and wasn't interested in mentoring Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Man with No Name Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 worth reiterating, Mccarron did not want to be a backup to these guys. Anderson will fill that role better. He understands why he is here. And he is a competent backup who has seen a lot. Good move that should have been made 6 weeks ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 All of the Monday morning GMs on here have no clue as to the conversations and concerns that went on behind the scenes to get to the point we’re at now. While I totally agree that the Peterman and Allen duo was never going to work, I’m guessing that Bills management did too, and I’m guessing they’ve been working to correct it since the debacle of the Opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 4 hours ago, Jeetz1231 said: This might be a little long winded but here it goes. I work as an executive manager and have been doing it now for 6 years, my first year was filled with lots of ups and downs and I made some stupid mistakes and was learning on the fly for the better part of 6 months. At the 6 month mark we hired another manager from a different agency who was about 15 years older than me and worked in management for the better part of his life. He wasn't the most effective manager and was riding this job out until his retirement and was essentially going through the motions, but he did provide lots of insight to me on how do get through the mundane day to day tasks and how to handle crisis situations because he had seen it before. I was much younger than he was and had more "Potential" and now I am in a higher position than he ever got to but learning from him during my first year was invaluable to my development. Regardless of DA's stats there is something to be said about having a guy who has seen things that JA has not, there is something to be said about having a guy in a room who can teach the nuance of the game that comes from a guy who has been in the league for years. Hopefully this little break will give JA a chance to mentally reset, because this is a lot for a kid to take in. Go Bills! And then why does it take until Mid October to sign one of these guys? But I will give you yes he adds something. How much is unknown. But the fact remains this FO botched and mismanaged this position group horribly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: And then why does it take until Mid October to sign one of these guys? But I will give you yes he adds something. How much is unknown. But the fact remains this FO botched and mismanaged this position group horribly Do you believe there’s an aisle at Home Depot where you pick up a veteran NFL QB? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Do you believe there’s an aisle at Home Depot where you pick up a veteran NFL QB? ? He was a FA since Feb along with Moore, Henne l, Bridgewater, Fitz so keep trying to deflect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: He was a FA since Feb along with Moore, Henne l, Bridgewater, Fitz so keep trying to deflect. And as you know, back in February they had McCarron. The missstep was when that didn’t work out. I’m still not sure exactly why it didn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 It has been said on this board that the Bills had approached Anderson quite a while back but he was waiting for the right situation (playoff team) to come along which it did not. Can't make a player go where he does not want to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Just now, SoCal Deek said: And as you know, back in February they had McCarron. The missstep was when that didn’t work out. I’m still not sure exactly why it didn’t. No as you know in March they sat on their hands when it came to QB and signed another 5th round pick with a couple meaningful starts to pair with another 5th round pick and his couple meaningful startss to put in a room knowing you are targeting the Rawest Rookie out of the top 4. But yeah properly managed that. Just now, RochesterRob said: It has been said on this board that the Bills had approached Anderson quite a while back but he was waiting for the right situation (playoff team) to come along which it did not. Can't make a player go where he does not want to go. Bills were not a playoff team at start of offseason? Fact is they signed a “mentor” that didnt want to go to camp. What mentoring is he doing now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: No as you know in March they sat on their hands when it came to QB and signed another 5th round pick with a couple meaningful starts to pair with another 5th round pick and his couple meaningful startss to put in a room knowing you are targeting the Rawest Rookie out of the top 4. But yeah properly managed that. And you believe our record right now would be what? 3-3? OK...This year was always going to be rough. I’m not sure what all the hair on Fire, pitch forks at the Gates is all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: No as you know in March they sat on their hands when it came to QB and signed another 5th round pick with a couple meaningful starts to pair with another 5th round pick and his couple meaningful startss to put in a room knowing you are targeting the Rawest Rookie out of the top 4. But yeah properly managed that. Bills were not a playoff team at start of offseason? Fact is they signed a “mentor” that didnt want to go to camp. What mentoring is he doing now? Come on. Be serious. The Bills never passed the smell test as far as team that was going into the playoffs under their .own power versus what actually happened which was a lucky run on turnovers early and the Bengals to the rescue at the end. We know there were a number of better options for those that have no emotional bond to WNY. At the start of the previous season it was said that the Bills were a few years away and nothing has changed that perception to date. Both of last year's games with the Dolphins were unnecessary nail biters and I hope that McDermott impressed on the team that they will not always get a timely int to pull their butts out of the fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 4 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: If its such a great idea why did it take until week 6 to bring Anderson in. Beane is incompetent fool. Wastes draft piakc and trades away more talent than he acquirers. Yeah Beane is a fool. He just put out a top 3 defense, crushed the draft in his first season, and has improved our cap space significantly in....1 YEAR. Rome wasn’t built in a day chief. Now, continue on with your rambling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 All Anderson has to do show Allen how to is be efficient at moving the offense down the field and not turn over the ball. Competence at the position will make a big difference 5 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said: If its such a great idea why did it take until week 6 to bring Anderson in. Beane is incompetent fool. Wastes draft piakc and trades away more talent than he acquirers. Beane, McD, Allen, The Pegulas. They're all beginners learning as they go along. There's going to be some suffering as part of 'The process' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: And you believe our record right now would be what? 3-3? OK...This year was always going to be rough. I’m not sure what all the hair on Fire, pitch forks at the Gates is all about. I dont care about the record never did. What I did care about is the proper development of whichever Rookie QB was in the Bills Uniform. Which has been botched big time 14 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Come on. Be serious. The Bills never passed the smell test as far as team that was going into the playoffs under their .own power versus what actually happened which was a lucky run on turnovers early and the Bengals to the rescue at the end. We know there were a number of better options for those that have no emotional bond to WNY. At the start of the previous season it was said that the Bills were a few years away and nothing has changed that perception to date. Both of last year's games with the Dolphins were unnecessary nail biters and I hope that McDermott impressed on the team that they will not always get a timely int to pull their butts out of the fire. You are what you are and in Feb Bills where a playoff team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bourbonboy Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 McCarron's role was supposed to be as a bridge QB, to be a hopefully decent starter and hold down the fort while the kid learned the ropes. McCarron had little starting experience, and while he did not make waves, he came here to be a starter and had no real desire to sit on the bench as a mentor and educator. When he could not even beat out Peterman in the preseason, his value to the Bills dropped off a cliff, essentially an expensive 3rd-stringer who doesn't play special teams. Anderson is a much better fit for the backup position - a much cheaper replacement who offers real value beyond emergency fill-in duties if your starter gets hurt. And I'm guessing that's why the Bills were talking to Anderson well before he did agree to sign with the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Anderson seems to be another Kyle Orton type. That's not a bad thing, but, if he can stay healthy, he may be able to win 6-7 games for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 7 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Prior to bringing in the lazy experienced boob to instruct you, the young wunderkind, had your organization hired a series of coaches including a specialized Jeetz coach whose focus was to develop you? Can you imagine a coaching room where McDermott, Daboll and David Culley (25 years of coaching experinence) are sitting around saying "I don't know how the hell to get a rookie ready for a game. I think we need a scrub like Derek Anderson. Maybe he can teach us all. " 90% plus of Anderson's experience is in how to prepare to be the backup who is not expected to play. His experience applies much better to Nate Peterman. Heck if you combine a Anderson's experience with Peterman's well of adversity he has accumulated and mix in a little McBeane culture we might be able to develop the best QB ever whose sole job is to ride the pine. Andersons value to the team is to be better than Peterman. No one will know until Sunday if that is the case. Exactly how may years did these three guys play QB in the NFL? In fact how many years did these three guys play QB at all. 1 hour ago, Marv's Neighbor said: Anderson seems to be another Kyle Orton type. That's not a bad thing, but, if he can stay healthy, he may be able to win 6-7 games for us. I thin he would have won last Sunday. He can be a game manger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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