Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 The Bills might be the most inept organization in football right now, utter embarrassing how they have treated this process. Most fans here said he wasn't ready to start, needed to develop, and WOULD GET HURT...and what do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, LFC24 said: looks a lot worse than Mariotas tbh. he was in serious pain on the sideline i think he will be out 4-5 weeks. so much for developing our rookie QB. We all knew this was coming. Beane ignored the oline for 2 years and this is the result. You do realize the OL has been playing fine the last few weeks, right? 24 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Should be fired immediately if he does. A total joke and laughingstock. What if Anderson isn't ready and Allen is out? What then? Logan Thomas? Pull Orton out of retirement? Edited October 16, 2018 by Tyrion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Fire up the Anderson train and sign a vet tonight that can learn the playbook. Got to get a #2 Sunday that’s not Nate. It almost doesn’t even matter who is it, just not Peterman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Tyrion said: What if Anderson isn't ready and Allen is out? What then? Logan Thomas? Pull Orton out of retirement? I’d much rather watch Logan Thomas play QB at this point. Just trotting NP out there is an embarrassment . He should have been gone after week one. Edited October 16, 2018 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Who's ready for one month of Derek Anderson? I am ready to watch a capable NFL passing offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, Wyo_Bills Fan said: The Bills might be the most inept organization in football right now, utter embarrassing how they have treated this process. Most fans here said he wasn't ready to start, needed to develop, and WOULD GET HURT...and what do you know? He was hurt on a routine pass play in the pocket, by an arguably illegal hit. Could have happened to a 15 year vet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 The way this defense is playing, the only shot we have in that Monday nighter is if Anderson plays. That place will be rocking off its hinges on a home Monday nighter. Can you imagine the thrill of winning that game on national TV against the Pats? With this Defense flying around and putting itself on the map. If Allen or Peterman play, we will be humiliated. If Anderson plays, we have a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I am ready to watch a capable NFL passing offense Me too. Derek Anderson and this group of receivers is not that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) Shut him down. Start Anderson for the rest of the season. Pray he doesn't get hurt because Peterman should never take another snap. Or do the intelligent thing and sign Colin Kapernick tomorrow. Edited October 16, 2018 by Mike in Syracuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Mixed reports. He hyper extended his elbow. I don’t think this is going to be an ulnar collateral ligament, or a Tommy John issue, where there’s surgery and long-term problems, where he’s going to miss extended time. I think it’s just going to be a matter of soreness… I just didn’t see anything that would make me think his season is over, based on video.” https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/10/15/former-nfl-head-team-doctor-evaluates-josh-allen-injury/amp/ http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-josh-allen-elbow-bills-injury-1015-story,amp.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Two things: 1) Clearly an illegal, late hit, leading with helmet to boot. 2) I think its more likely a contusion than sprain. Sprains occur when a joint is stretched beyond its normal limits. Watch the replay. Joint doesnt seem to be stretched/torqued, its damage due to forceful direct contact. More likely contusion than sprain. Still may take several weeks to heal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2018/10/15/17981876/report-buffalo-bills-quarterback-josh-allen-out-at-least-few-weeks-with-elbow-injury-nathan-peterman "Based on the video, “Pro Football Doc” David Chao has now said Allen will be out at least month with a UCL strain and possible structural damage. Chao worked with NFL teams for 17 years and is a practicing orthopedic surgeon. “The test is called a milking sign, and the immediate reaction to pain indicates there is damage to the UCL, which is also commonly called the Tommy John ligament for its frequent reconstruction in baseball pitchers,” said Chao. “Throwing a football would certainly stress this ligament, and his reaction after the pass is another sign of the injury,” continued Chao. Chao goes on to clarify that it’s unlikely Allen will need surgery, but the prognosis for return in the weeks and not days. “I’m not ready to say Allen’s season is done or that he needs surgery. But he will be hard-pressed to play the next few weeks based on his reaction to the test on his elbow.” Edited October 16, 2018 by Mike in Syracuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Mixed reports. He hyper extended his elbow. I don’t think this is going to be an ulnar collateral ligament, or a Tommy John issue, where there’s surgery and long-term problems, where he’s going to miss extended time. I think it’s just going to be a matter of soreness… I just didn’t see anything that would make me think his season is over, based on video.” https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/10/15/former-nfl-head-team-doctor-evaluates-josh-allen-injury/amp/ http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-josh-allen-elbow-bills-injury-1015-story,amp.html That one at least lines up with what they've said a lot better. I mean week to week and not eliminating him from the next game is pretty far from 2wks to a month or way longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 This is exactly what I would do if I was in charge. -Shut Allen down for the rest of the year. Not IR but keep him inactive. Let him heal and learn in practices but keep him inactive on game days -Cut Peterman. 5 weeks to late but still cut him -Sign Landry Jones to be the backup and get him up to speed as quick as possible. They have had him in for a visit or possibly two. Make it happen and get him ready Incase Anderson goes down. Possibly as the long term backup -start Anderson for the rest of the year 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: This is exactly what I would do if I was in charge. -Shut Allen down for the rest of the year. Not IR but keep him inactive. Let him heal and learn in practices but keep him inactive on game days -Cut Peterman. 5 weeks to late but still cut him -Sign Landry Jones to be the backup and get him up to speed as quick as possible. They have had him in for a visit or possibly two. Make it happen and get him ready Incase Anderson goes down. Possibly as the long term backup -start Anderson for the rest of the year I am glad you are not in charge. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 14 minutes ago, Mike in Syracuse said: Shut him down. Start Anderson for the rest of the season. Pray he doesn't get hurt because Peterman should never take another snap. Or do the intelligent thing and sign Colin Kapernick tomorrow. "Intelligent" and "sign Colin Kapernick" shouldn't be together in the same sentence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Mixed reports. He hyper extended his elbow. I don’t think this is going to be an ulnar collateral ligament, or a Tommy John issue, where there’s surgery and long-term problems, where he’s going to miss extended time. I think it’s just going to be a matter of soreness… I just didn’t see anything that would make me think his season is over, based on video.” https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/10/15/former-nfl-head-team-doctor-evaluates-josh-allen-injury/amp/ http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-josh-allen-elbow-bills-injury-1015-story,amp.html You do realize that the "mixed reports" are from the same guy? The first was his initial take and the second was after seeing the sideline tape 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, PlayoffsPlease said: I am glad you are not in charge. I can assure you that had I been in charge, the qb situation would have been handled better then it actually was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: "Intelligent" and "sign Colin Kapernick" shouldn't be together in the same sentence. Name a better QB that's currently available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mike in Syracuse Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: This is exactly what I would do if I was in charge. -Shut Allen down for the rest of the year. Not IR but keep him inactive. Let him heal and learn in practices but keep him inactive on game days -Cut Peterman. 5 weeks to late but still cut him -Sign Landry Jones to be the backup and get him up to speed as quick as possible. They have had him in for a visit or possibly two. Make it happen and get him ready Incase Anderson goes down. Possibly as the long term backup -start Anderson for the rest of the year Starting Logan Thomas at QB might be preferable to Peterman at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 hours ago, ctk232 said: I'll agree to disagree here - it's not just knowing the playbook, though I'd say that's the majority of the reason for me. I also think we're giving Anderson too much credit... And how exactly did Thad do coming off that week? With a different team and coaching staff around him? I've seen QBs play off of seven day preps on a completely new team as well, can't remember how many of those actually went well... I was wrong about thad Lewis only having 7 days, he had a month, but was only a 3rd year pro bouncing around on practice squads. In the game he played here he went 19/32 for 216 yards with 2 passing touchdowns and 0 interceptions and added 7 carries for 17 yards and 1 rushing touchdown the bills lost that game 27-24 to the bengals in ot. Those are solid stats from a 3rd year pro who was starting for a team that had traded for him a month earlier. Derek Anderson is a 13 year vet, been to the pro bowl. He can get ready in what amounts to 10 to 14 days. Not expecting to be blown away or impressed with his play, but I do expect to see actual qb play something we havent seen from peterman minus 1 pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, GG said: You do realize that the "mixed reports" are from the same guy? The first was his initial take and the second was after seeing the sideline tape Sorry got distracted the other report was FAKE NEWS. The site corrected their story to match the above post the fake story said he’d be out all season Edited October 16, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mike in Syracuse said: Name a better QB that's currently available. Name a bigger circus than what the Bills already are if we sign Mr. Pigsocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) ProFootBallDoc said over under is 6 weeks out for Allen. God help us if its bad and needs tommy john surgery or loses his cannon arm Edited October 16, 2018 by PirateHookerMD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakAttack Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said: ProFootBallDoc said over under is 6 weeks out for Allen. God help us if its bad and needs tommy john surgery or loses his cannon arm Wasnt tommy john already ruled out multiple times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Green Lightning said: Name a bigger circus than what the Bills already are if we sign Mr. Pigsocks. If he were to go out and throw for 300 yards in his first couple of games no one would care. The circus would be over. Kaepernick was brave enough to tell you how he feels about things. If every NFL player did fans would hate half the league. All that said, there's zero chance the Bills do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mike in Syracuse said: Name a better QB that's currently available. I'd take Matt Moore or Ryan Mallet over Kapernick. Why? Because Kapernick is a distraction - why can't people see this? If he was good, maybe I'd consider it, but he's not so not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, Mike in Syracuse said: Name a better QB that's currently available. It’s a tough spot. I mean the guy is currently suing the league. I don’t really know how an owner steps out of line and offers him something with a pending lawsuit. It’s just not going to happen so it’s kind of not even worth talking about at this point. The guy did kind of choose to make it about something bigger..And while that was his right, he also needs to realize that it is the owners rights to not be interested in the circus that surrounds him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: I'd take Matt Moore or Ryan Mallet over Kapernick. Why? Because Kapernick is a distraction - why can't people see this? If he was good, maybe I'd consider it, but he's not so not worth it. I don't disagree with any of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 With all due respect to David Chao, I would personally defer to doctors who have actually examined Allen and seen results of his tests. He has a fine hobby of examining video of plays and of sideline examinations, but I really think he's taking it a bit too far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 May be a blessing in disguise for Allen... bring him back after the bye to finish out the season. 11/25 home game vs Jags, that’s 5-6 weeks of rest/rehab. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 19 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I can assure you that had I been in charge, the qb situation would have been handled better then it actually was. No question whatsoever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 This is the type of Head Coach that probably won’t even let anyone know who the QB is until 11:45 Sunday. Which I guess isn’t a huge deal, it would just be nice to know. If this guy is going to start Peterman it would be nice for fans to have that heads up in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: It’s a tough spot. I mean the guy is currently suing the league. I don’t really know how an owner steps out of line and offers him something with a pending lawsuit. It’s just not going to happen so it’s kind of not even worth talking about at this point. The guy did kind of choose to make it about something bigger..And while that was his right, he also needs to realize that it is the owners rights to not be interested in the circus that surrounds him. Wrong. Reid is suing the league too and Carolina signed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostradumbass Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: I'd take Matt Moore or Ryan Mallet over Kapernick. Why? Because Kapernick is a distraction - why can't people see this? If he was good, maybe I'd consider it, but he's not so not worth it. A distraction from WHAT??? grinding ouy 11 points a game? Please, please someone distract me from that 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: With all due respect to David Chao, I would personally defer to doctors who have actually examined Allen and seen results of his tests. He has a fine hobby of examining video of plays and of sideline examinations, but I really think he's taking it a bit too far. That could be... I think he’s usually pretty spot on, but he’s basing it almost entirely on the sideline “milking test” where Allen experienced so much pain. Still surprised he didn’t go to locker room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: May be a blessing in disguise for Allen... Might be for all of us... The plan was to bring g him on slowly. That's a good plan based on the past few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: With all due respect to David Chao, I would personally defer to doctors who have actually examined Allen and seen results of his tests. He has a fine hobby of examining video of plays and of sideline examinations, but I really think he's taking it a bit too far. ^^^^This The only source I saw in that article was him watching the video. The length of injury he's referencing just isn't anywhere close to what McDermott said, he didn't even eliminate him from starting Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, mannc said: Wrong. Reid is suing the league too and Carolina signed him. Good. Then maybe he will get signed. I’m sure it’s going to happen any day now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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