Democratic 2020 Presidential Primary Thread

[Magox]

Just now, Tiberius said:

What happened was Biden won South Carolina like he was counting on doing. Bernie couldn't win there and didn't. 

 

That had nothing to do with a CNN interview. Biden just won the people of the state over and he will win most of the votes in November, too. If that's enough to carry him over the handicap of the EC we will see. I suspect it will and we will have a new president next year. 

 

Biden would have won S.C without the Anderson Cooper interview.   That's not what I'm saying.  Oh nevermind. 

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

Biden would have won S.C without the Anderson Cooper interview.   That's not what I'm saying.  Oh nevermind. 

Bernie had no real path to the nomination. 

 

I do think it's funny that Trump wants to rely on socialist Bernie voters to win while railing against socialism, whf?? lol 

 

 

[Magox]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Bernie had no real path to the nomination. 

 

I do think it's funny that Trump wants to rely on socialist Bernie voters to win while railing against socialism, whf?? lol 

 

 

 

I'm not talking about what Trump wants.  I was responding to Kay.   And I am certain that without that disastrous Anderson Cooper interview, that they would still be running a heated campaign against each other.  

[Tiberius]

21 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

I'm not talking about what Trump wants.  I was responding to Kay.   And I am certain that without that disastrous Anderson Cooper interview, that they would still be running a heated campaign against each other.  

I've never heard about this super important, nomination shattering interview. Sounds like a real nothingburger. 

 

Seems to me there are Trump Trolls about trying to divide Democrats, good luck! 

[Magox]

42 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

I've never heard about this super important, nomination shattering interview. Sounds like a real nothingburger. 

 

Seems to me there are Trump Trolls about trying to divide Democrats, good luck! 

You're an idiot.  Congratulations for being the very first person I am putting on ignore.

 

 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, Magox said:

You're an idiot.  Congratulations for being the very first person I am putting on ignore.

 

 

I lost Magox! ?

[snafu]

3 hours ago, RealKayAdams said:

I’d rephrase slightly as: “nice job mainstream media. You really know how to pick them.” Since day one, the media has been deliberately and relentlessly molding the narrative on every Democrat candidate in order to achieve a desired result for their corporate donors. Biden was never vetted in a primary process where the main point was supposed to be doing just that for each candidate. Makes ya wonder if even just one of those nondescript, uncharismatic, white male candidates from back in the day (your choice among Bennett, Delaney, Bullock, Moulton, Inslee, Sestak, Hickenlooper) could have been a better option – if given a fair chance from the media – than a senile rapist who has been wrong on every major political issue from the past five decades?

 

Bernie could have blown up the convention this time around if he wanted to, and he would have had the credibility to do so, but he wimped out a second time. He had the chance to make his ultra progressive platform *the* standard of the D party going into the future, but either (a) he’s too sold out to do so, or (b) too lazy and weak, (c) doesn’t see his own “revolution” as having any future success.  I think it is all three.  He obviously hasn’t looked into the future as an old idealogue because he hasn’t really propped up a likely successor to his movement, and he hasn’t ever tried to make a viable third party.  That’s something he should have done 4 years ago. Someone not named Sanders will emerge and be more forceful.

 

As to the bolded — Delaney.  Only nobody listens to the guy.

 

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

[B-Man]

 

Why Biden’s Polling Lead vs. Trump Isn’t as Solid as It Looks

New York Times, by Nate Cohen

 

Original Article

 

 

 

 

 

 

Behind the scenes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[B-Man]

 

Sanders campaign spokeswoman: ‘I don’t endorse Joe Biden.’

 

 

 

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[Foxx]

5 hours ago, Tiberius said:

What happened was Biden won South Carolina like he was counting on doing. Bernie couldn't win there and didn't. 

 

That had nothing to do with a CNN interview. Biden just won the people of the state over and he will win most of the votes in November, too. If that's enough to carry him over the handicap of the EC we will see. I suspect it will and we will have a new president next year. 

everything O'Biden has today, he owes to Jim Clyburn. had Clyburn not endorsed the demented one, there is a pretty good chance that Burnie would be the presumptive candidate today.

[Albwan]

6 hours ago, /dev/null said:

 

I bet he got another house.

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Albwan said:

I bet he got another house.

I hope it's an outhouse.

[Nanker]

Bernie never wanted to become President. He ran for the adulation and money he received. He’s a hypocritical attention w ***** e. 

[Bill from NYC]

3 hours ago, snafu said:

 

 Someone not named Sanders will emerge and be more forceful.

How about AOC, or the other pig who hates Jews and married her brother?

[Magox]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

Why Biden’s Polling Lead vs. Trump Isn’t as Solid as It Looks

New York Times, by Nate Cohen

 

Original Article

 

 

 

 

 

 

Behind the scenes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

7 months before the 2016 elections according to RCP Hillary had a 9 point advantage over Trump in the national polls.   We all saw how that worked out.

[Taro T]

7 hours ago, RealKayAdams said:

 

I’d rephrase slightly as: “nice job mainstream media. You really know how to pick them.” Since day one, the media has been deliberately and relentlessly molding the narrative on every Democrat candidate in order to achieve a desired result for their corporate donors. Biden was never vetted in a primary process where the main point was supposed to be doing just that for each candidate. Makes ya wonder if even just one of those nondescript, uncharismatic, white male candidates from back in the day (your choice among Bennett, Delaney, Bullock, Moulton, Inslee, Sestak, Hickenlooper) could have been a better option – if given a fair chance from the media – than a senile rapist who has been wrong on every major political issue from the past five decades?

 

As I’ve said all along, forcing a Biden matchup versus Trump cements the 2016 political realignment of the Democrats as the party of reckless economic globalism and regime-change foreign interventionism. The Democrats were supposed to be the party of the working class and the party of peace. And then here we see Trump slide ever so slightly to the left of Joe with $1200 checks and COVID-19 medical relief and student debt relief, while Joe BYE-DONE continues fumbling around in his house with Zoom during a pandemic. Donald Trump is now the presidential candidate for the progressive left…oh my.

 

Can’t help but wonder how much longer the mainstream media can continue gaslighting us with the Joe charade. That coronavirus leadership poll highlights America’s emerging awareness that Joe is probably in the early stages of dementia. The media still likes to point out his competitiveness by referencing national polls from the past week which have him holding anywhere between a tie with Trump and an 11% lead. My big counterpoint is the devastating presidential candidate enthusiasm poll from two weeks back. Even if more Americans prefer Biden, all that matters are the votes from people motivated enough to – you know – go out and vote. I believe we are looking at a complete meltdown of the white working class and the under-40 voting blocs that have formerly buttressed the Democratic Party throughout this era of neoliberalism.

 

The mainstream media, of course, isn’t capable of self-reflection and will eventually blame everyone else for Biden’s inevitable November loss. Any guesses as to whom their favorite target will be? Answer: Bernie Brothers and Sanders Sisters. The voter shaming has already begun with the usual media personalities. They frame the situation as intransigent Millenials and unsophisticated idealists choosing revolution over sensible incrementalism. Why won’t they just accept Biden’s false promises of watered-down public policy scraps? Don’t they know progressive platforms can’t win elections (except when they sort of did twice in 1992 and 2008 while centrists lost 1984 and 1988 and 2000 and 2004 and 2016 and, yes, 2020…but whatever)? That COVID-19 bandana pic from an online Bernie Bro bully must mean he is getting ready for a violent ANTIFA strike. “Closet Trump supporter” is the accusation du jour. This one’s my favorite: in typical Dem establishment style, they are accusing select Bernie supporters of being Russian assets, which to be perfectly frank sounds super exciting! As soon as Putin gives me the orders, Kaytlana Adamsnova be rolling into Milwaukee’s Fiserv Forum like:

 

 

 

 

The media definitely helped Biden get through to the finish line of the preliminary race.  But, ironically, their helping push 45 through HIS preliminary race back in '16, which backfired spectacularly for them in the General Election when their chosen one, the one that they helped through to the D's preliminary race back then, lost bigly to him, will end up dooming their efforts again in '20.  They thought that The Donald was the 1 guy on the R side that absolutely positively couldn't beat Hillary in the General and pushed him hard early in the R primaries.  They just failed to realize how frustrated a lot of people were with the Washington insiders and ended up pushing a guy that clicked with those voters and actually found the 1 guy that could beat the Clinton machine.

 

Their putting their thumb on the scale isn't nearly as transparent as it was in the past.

 

You definitely have reason to be mad at them.

 

But, until 44 finally endored him today, thought for sure the D's would draft somebody (not named Bernie) to replace Biden at the convention.  Now, expect that Joe's their guy until the gory end.  How, out of ~100MM D's HE is their choice as the best choice, is simply boggling (until corruption gets added into the equation).

[Doc Brown]

22 hours ago, snafu said:

Bernie Sanders is a sellout pu$$y.

 

Not really.  If he believes in his progressive agenda long term then he absolutely had to endorse Biden given RGB isn't getting any younger.  I predicted a long time ago that Bernie would quickly endorse Biden because he's more pragmatic than people think.  Continuing political infighting would just drive the progressive wing further away and ensure a Trump victory.  I know Republicans wanted him not to "sellout." 

 

6 hours ago, Magox said:

 

He was beginning to edge up to the high 30's and a gradual acceptance of him potentially being the nominee.  If anyone is going to be honest about what happened, it's not as if Biden did something to make everyone coalesce around him at light speed.   It was the fear of Bernie winning the nomination.  That fear would have still existed without the Anderson Cooper interview but what that interview did was it crystalized that fear.  Without that Anderson Cooper interview, the speed and rate of how everyone coalesced around Biden wouldn't have happened the way it played out.  

 

It truly was a perfect storm of events that happened.

Apparantly Obama was the big behind the scnes player in all of that which is pry why it was executed to perfection given he's pry the most powerful person in the party still.  I viewed the James Clyburn endorsement as basically Obama's endorsement in SC.  The speed in which they coalesced around Biden was shocking and something the Republicans were unable to do against Trump.

[Deranged Rhino]

11 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Not really.  If he believes in his progressive agenda long term then he absolutely had to endorse Biden given RGB isn't getting any younger. 

 

Why defend him? He's truly not worth it, and his endorsement of Joe is a sell out move pure and simple. It wasn't done for the progressive cause. How does laying down with neoliberals (who are just neocons), who have been dangerously wrong at every turn on civil liberties, due process, foreign policy, and have never once "led" the way on any meaningful progressive platform (they led from behind on gay marriage, from behind on ending regime change, from behind even on health care)?

 

It does nothing to help the progressive movement -- especially when you're talking about SCOTUS picks. Why would the neoliberal/neocon wing pick someone other than a puppet for their own agendas (as they've done every time the past 30 years)? 

 

Joe is establishment through and through -- same cloth as Clinton, Bush, and Obama. None were progressive champions, despite the PR. 

[Doc Brown]

45 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Why defend him? He's truly not worth it, and his endorsement of Joe is a sell out move pure and simple. It wasn't done for the progressive cause. How does laying down with neoliberals (who are just neocons), who have been dangerously wrong at every turn on civil liberties, due process, foreign policy, and have never once "led" the way on any meaningful progressive platform (they led from behind on gay marriage, from behind on ending regime change, from behind even on health care)?

 

It does nothing to help the progressive movement -- especially when you're talking about SCOTUS picks. Why would the neoliberal/neocon wing pick someone other than a puppet for their own agendas (as they've done every time the past 30 years)? 

 

Joe is establishment through and through -- same cloth as Clinton, Bush, and Obama. None were progressive champions, despite the PR. 

Because endorsing him is the best "bad" option he had.  You're downplaying the importance of the Supreme Court.  If RGB is replaced by a Trump appointed nominee that means there's a 6-3 conservative majority on the Supreme Court.  Every progressive agenda he's fighting for would be squashed at the national level for the next 40 years.  I don't know how many Bernie supporters are able to grasp that harsh reality.  

[/dev/null]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

If RGB is replaced by a Trump appointed nominee

 

RBG is a Supreme Court Justice

RGB is a color scheme

 

 

Supreme Court Justices wear #000000 robes

[snafu]

58 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Not really.  If he believes in his progressive agenda long term then he absolutely had to endorse Biden given RGB isn't getting any younger.  I predicted a long time ago that Bernie would quickly endorse Biden because he's more pragmatic than people think.  Continuing political infighting would just drive the progressive wing further away and ensure a Trump victory.  I know Republicans wanted him not to "sellout." 

 

He will never see the fruit of his labor — and he doesn’t strike me as a guy who was going for a legacy. The Dem party rejected him four years ago. They may have promised him a move to the left this time around, but that clearly didn’t happen. When he was running strong with 1/3 of the primary votes, they cut the floor out from under him. That was blatant and obvious. 

 

Then the pandemic hit and his only remaining opponent went into his basement and serially babbled and bumbled his thoughts. 

 

The pragmatic thing to do would have been to stick it out. His very strong base was still with him. At the very least, he easily could have leveraged his clout at the convention. 

 

Now, for the second time, he’s walked away from the revolution he touted. 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

3 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

He will never see the fruit of his labor — and he doesn’t strike me as a guy who was going for a legacy. The Dem party rejected him four years ago. They may have promised him a move to the left this time around, but that clearly didn’t happen. When he was running strong with 1/3 of the primary votes, they cut the floor out from under him. That was blatant and obvious. 

 

Then the pandemic hit and his only remaining opponent went into his basement and serially babbled and bumbled his thoughts. 

 

The pragmatic thing to do would have been to stick it out. His very strong base was still with him. At the very least, he easily could have leveraged his clout at the convention. 

 

Now, for the second time, he’s walked away from the revolution he touted. 

That's exactly what Republicans were hoping for as too much infighting closer to the election leads to an automatic Trump presidency.  That's the dumbest thing he could've done.

[snafu]

22 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

That's exactly what Republicans were hoping for as too much infighting closer to the election leads to an automatic Trump presidency.  That's the dumbest thing he could've done.

 

He’s not a Democrat.  Never was until after he sold out four years ago.  That’s the “sellout” part. 

If he were a true believer in his own self-declared revolution then he wouldn’t care what Republicans think. That’s the “pu$$y” part.

 

 

Edit: the “leverage” part wouldn’t involve infighting. It would result in a gain for Bernie and his wing.

Edited April 14, 2020 by snafu

[Doc Brown]

5 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

He’s not a Democrat.  Never was until after he sold out four years ago.  That’s the “sellout” part. 

If he were a true believer in his own self-declared revolution then he wouldn’t care what Republicans think. That’s the “pu$$y” part.

 

 

Edit: the “leverage” part wouldn’t involve infighting. It would result in a gain for Bernie and his wing.

What?  He doesn't care what Repubilcans think.

 

That's fair if you want to call him a sellout for running as a Democrat even though he labels himself as an Independent.  He mostly votes lockstep with the Democrats in the Senate though so I question his "Indendent" label.  The quicker you coalesce around a candidate the better chance that candidate has of winning.  Old Joe's going to need it.

[snafu]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

What?  He doesn't care what Repubilcans think.

 

That's fair if you want to call him a sellout for running as a Democrat even though he labels himself as an Independent.  He mostly votes lockstep with the Democrats in the Senate though so I question his "Indendent" label.  The quicker you coalesce around a candidate the better chance that candidate has of winning.  Old Joe's going to need it.

 

Yes, I daresay that Bernie Sanders doesn’t care about what Republicans think.

He’s not a cross-the-aisle kind of guy. He never spoke to or sought out Republican voters during either of his two Presidential runs.  He spoke about fundamentally changing our country’s system of government and our economy and healt care system. He had enough backing to get to the convention and see his message through, and to get traction for the future of “democratic socialism”. 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, snafu said:

 

Yes, I daresay that Bernie Sanders doesn’t care about what Republicans think.

He’s not a cross-the-aisle kind of guy. He never spoke to or sought out Republican voters during either of his two Presidential runs.  He spoke about fundamentally changing our country’s system of government and our economy and healt care system. He had enough backing to get to the convention and see his message through, and to get traction for the future of “democratic socialism”. 

 

 

No.  He's about as far left as you can get and would not cross the aisle.  M4A, raising the federal minimum wage to more than double what it is now, student debt forgiveness, free college, banning fracking, raising taxes substantially on the rich, implementing massive financial and environmental regulations, and reducing our military budget wouldn't have been well received by Republicans.  The only thing he had in common with Trump is he's an isolationist.

 

He wouldn't have had any sway because Biden would've went into the convention with the majority of delegates.  Plus, he called Trump the most dangerous president of our lifetime so his number one priority should be uniting the party to beat Trump and that's why he endorsed Biden so early on. 

[snafu]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

No.  He's about as far left as you can get and would not cross the aisle.  M4A, raising the federal minimum wage to more than double what it is now, student debt forgiveness, free college, banning fracking, raising taxes substantially on the rich, implementing massive financial and environmental regulations, and reducing our military budget wouldn't have been well received by Republicans.  The only thing he had in common with Trump is he's an isolationist.

 

He wouldn't have had any sway because Biden would've went into the convention with the majority of delegates.  Plus, he called Trump the most dangerous president of our lifetime so his number one priority should be uniting the party to beat Trump and that's why he endorsed Biden so early on. 

 

I agree. 

But he ran in the primaries as the new path for Democrats — and picked up at least a third of the party — and then abandoned his principles. Everyone sees Biden for what he is.  Bernie could have hammered away and had more clout. He gave up. He’s not who his supporters thought he would be. 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

https://mobile.twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1250200978810437632

[whatdrought]

8 hours ago, /dev/null said:

 

RBG is a Supreme Court Justice

RGB is a color scheme

 

 

Supreme Court Justices wear #000000 robes

Completely ignoring the context and content of what you’re posting about to say this:

 

That graph is one of the most aesthetically appealing things I’ve ever seen. I would frame that and hang it on my wall. 
 

Not sure what that says about me, but there it is.

[Buffalo_Gal]

The RNC should use this as an ad for Trump:
 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...game, set, match...…..it's "Shoo-in Joe" now...……………….

Warren endorses Biden, following Sanders in closing ranks behind presumptive nominee

By Paul Steinhauser | Fox News

 

Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Wednesday endorsed Joe Biden for president, more than a month after ending her own presidential bid.

"In this moment of crisis, it’s more important than ever that the next president restores Americans’ faith in good, effective government—and I’ve seen Joe Biden help our nation rebuild. Today, I’m proud to endorse," she tweeted, along with a video.

The Massachusetts senator had withheld an endorsement ever since ending her campaign in early March, even as the race narrowed to essentially a contest between Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders. But with Sanders dropping out last week, Biden became the presumptive nominee.

Warren follows both Sanders and former President Barack Obama in formally endorsing the former vice president.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/warren-endorses-biden-for-president

 

 

[IDBillzFan]

59 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...game, set, match...…..it's "Shoo-in Joe" now...……………….

Warren endorses Biden, following Sanders in closing ranks behind presumptive nominee

By Paul Steinhauser | Fox News

 

 

It's the least she could do after clearing the pathway by sucking away the Sanders support.

[Deranged Rhino]

The thirstiest cover letter in political history: 

 

 

 

Abrams offers Joe's ticket nothing. Not one thing. 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

16 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

The thirstiest cover letter in political history: 

 

 

 

Abrams offers Joe's ticket nothing. Not one thing. 

 

 

Wouldn't she have to give up her governor's job in Georgia?

[Joe Miner]

27 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

The thirstiest cover letter in political history: 

 

 

 

Abrams offers Joe's ticket nothing. Not one thing. 

 

 

 

Ahh, finally! Someone less qualified than Palin to be the loser's token VP candidate.

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

The thirstiest cover letter in political history: 

 

 

 

Abrams offers Joe's ticket nothing. Not one thing. 

 

 

Well, she is a black, a woman, and kinda delusional. That could play well to the base?

I thought the Michigan Governor was it until she ***** up this lock down so badly. Now I wonder if she could deliver the state?

Amy Klobucher? Biden could use Minnesota. Hillary won by a slim margin, but there is no guarantee this time.



 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Ocasio-Cortez says it's 'legitimate to talk about' allegation against Biden
 

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) on Tuesday addressed a sexual assault allegation against presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden by a former Senate staffer, saying it was “legitimate to talk about.”
 

Ocasio-Cortez was asked about the allegation against the former vice president during an online forum hosted by The Wing, a women’s network and community space, by a questioner who said she was strongly opposed to President Trump’s reelection but that she also "really resent the fact that the other choice is someone who has a really long history of being creepy to women," citing the allegation by former staffer Tara Reade.
 

"I think it's legitimate to talk about these things," Ocasio-Cortez responded, according to CBS News. "And if we want, if we again want to have integrity, you can't say, you know — both believe women, support all of this, until it inconveniences you, until it inconveniences us."
 

</snip>

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

The thirstiest cover letter in political history: 

 

 

 

Abrams offers Joe's ticket nothing. Not one thing. 

 

 

 

...quite the conundrum...Joe offers nothing as well...…...uh oh...……….