snafu Posted July 7, 2019 Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: The most important part of that poll is the final question. The word socialism doesn't seem to attach to Biden which explains the discrepancy between his lead and how close everyone else is. Or.....Jeff Bezos doesn't want a president that isn't cozy to big businesses. I was looking just as much at the Trump numbers in those two polls. He gained 5 points in a month against everyone but Biden. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 45 minutes ago, snafu said: I was looking just as much at the Trump numbers in those two polls. He gained 5 points in a month against everyone but Biden. You're comparing two different polling companies with different methodologies so comparing the two over time is useless. I'm just pointing out the poll suggests that the left would be wise to run your typical neoliberal left of center candidate. Somebody that won't shake up the economy that's added jobs every month since 2010 and is more palatable than Trump. The only candidate that fits that description right now is Biden. Casting himself as moderate and the rest of the field as the far left gives him the best shot at the nomination. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: You're comparing two different polling companies with different methodologies so comparing the two over time is useless. I'm just pointing out the poll suggests that the left would be wise to run your typical neoliberal left of center candidate. Somebody that won't shake up the economy that's added jobs every month since 2010 and is more palatable than Trump. The only candidate that fits that description right now is Biden. Casting himself as moderate and the rest of the field as the far left gives him the best shot at the nomination. Agreed but you think Biden has a chance when he is under this attack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted July 8, 2019 Author Share Posted July 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: You're comparing two different polling companies with different methodologies so comparing the two over time is useless. I'm just pointing out the poll suggests that the left would be wise to run your typical neoliberal left of center candidate. Somebody that won't shake up the economy that's added jobs every month since 2010 and is more palatable than Trump. The only candidate that fits that description right now is Biden. Casting himself as moderate and the rest of the field as the far left gives him the best shot at the nomination. I agree with you, but that isn’t looking like what the Party wants. But I’d also add that Trump might want Biden more than anyone. It give Trump the chance to run against the prior regime, and I think he wants that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 2 hours ago, row_33 said: Agreed but you think Biden has a chance when he is under this attack? Knowing him. Probably not. He'll pry apologize for ever serving in Congress by the time his campaign is through. 1 hour ago, snafu said: I agree with you, but that isn’t looking like what the Party wants. But I’d also add that Trump might want Biden more than anyone. It give Trump the chance to run against the prior regime, and I think he wants that. I won't pretend to know what goes on in that guy's head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 5 hours ago, Hedge said: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Does this make him Iron Man? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 5 hours ago, Hedge said: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! maybe he's going to announce an agreement with Iran to obtain nuclear weapons to unleash on American gun owners 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Even Rasmussen? Wow Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread General Election: Trump vs. Biden Rasmussen Reports Biden 48, Trump 44 Biden +4 17 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Bye, Joe. He apologized (again) yesterday... a bad sign for a candidate in the lead. Joe has zero chance to win, as I've been saying for over a year. Zilch. He'd destroy Trump in general election. Trump won largely because white men hated the idea of Hillary, Biden won't have to worry about losing white men in anywhere near the numbers Hillary did, plus he has the huge backing of women. Women hate Trump! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 After five decades in the spotlight, Biden is "under attack" by his friends and associates and seems unprepared to handle it and which way to turn. One day he's proud of his record, the next day he's apologizing for relationships he had 40 years ago. He's all over the page on Anita Hill, portraying himself as weak and wondering what might have been had he just had the courage to do the right thing. Meanwhile, the toughest criticism he's received from the opposition is that he's "sleepy". There you have the next great dem candidate for president: a sleepy octogenarian who partied with segregationists when fashionable and apologized when it was irrelevant, who has what the ladies used call "Russian eyes and Roman hands" when no one called him on it but became ultra-woke when it mattered when running for president, who has a history of wielding his political power to enrich his own family, and and has a history of plagiarizing the work(s) of others, and has been passed over on his previous runs because in part of a penchant for racist comments. Sounds about right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Billionaire Tom Steyer to join crowded 2020 presidential race.. Does this mean the West Coast money crowd doesn’t think Kamala Harris can pull it off? . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Don't believe the Democrats are slaves to their hard left base? Take this quick quiz: Name just one of its 2020 candidates willing to unequivocally speak aloud this indisputable truth– that the United States is the greatest nation on earth . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 54 minutes ago, B-Man said: Billionaire Tom Steyer to join crowded 2020 presidential race.. Does this mean the West Coast money crowd doesn’t think Kamala Harris can pull it off? . I think it means Mr. Walnut sauce Styer is more afraid of the Epstein arrest than most others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: Trump won largely because white men hated the idea of Hillary... Wait, are we back to misogyny on the wheel of 2016 excuses? What happened to Comey, women's husbands and sons forcing them not to vote for Hillary, and Russia as the reason she lost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 41 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Wait, are we back to misogyny on the wheel of 2016 excuses? What happened to Comey, women's husbands and sons forcing them not to vote for Hillary, and Russia as the reason she lost? You don't understand the basic fact that many factors go in to just about any action, event or process? Is there one reason the Bills lost SB XXV? Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You don't understand the basic fact that many factors go in to just about any action, event or process? Is there one reason the Bills lost SB XXV? Huh? But in fairness to Koko, you said the reason she lost was "largely" due to white men hating her. Was it like 90% white man hate, 3% Comey, 2% women being victimized, 2% Russians duh, and 3% white man hate (so hateful we gotta count em twice@). Sometimes I wish we could go more than 100% on these things. So much hate, so many victims. Stupid metric system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 11 hours ago, Hedge said: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! More... so sad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 48 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Is there one reason the Bills lost SB XXV? Yes. The Giants scored more points by the end of regulation than the Bills did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 To be fair -- it's so f'ing early, people can't be bothered. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 19 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Yes. The Giants scored more points by the end of regulation than the Bills did. Parcells and Belichick..... never ever ever give them an even break.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Interesting "What if..." opinion article from The Economist this week. What if America introduces a wealth tax 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, KRC said: Interesting "What if..." opinion article from The Economist this week. What if America introduces a wealth tax The biggest problem with something like this is that the rich people with congress persons in their pocket can buy a nice loop hole so they and their cronies don't have to pay it letting the tax burden fall where it always does, the little guy. Same goes for the 70% marginal tax rate. How many people do you really think actually paid 70% in the 1960s. They had loop holes then too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 “THEY ‘CARE’.” All 2020 Senate Dems Absent for Vote to Send Humanitarian Relief to Border. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: The biggest problem with something like this is that the rich people with congress persons in their pocket can buy a nice loop hole so they and their cronies don't have to pay it letting the tax burden fall where it always does, the little guy. Same goes for the 70% marginal tax rate. How many people do you really think actually paid 70% in the 1960s. They had loop holes then too. But there really isn't a tax burden for anyone, not with the our deficit spending habits. We can pass a sweeping new entitlement, raise taxes on the rich (cough, cough) and never have to be accountable for the debt. Business as usual. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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row_33 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: The biggest problem with something like this is that the rich people with congress persons in their pocket can buy a nice loop hole so they and their cronies don't have to pay it letting the tax burden fall where it always does, the little guy. Same goes for the 70% marginal tax rate. How many people do you really think actually paid 70% in the 1960s. They had loop holes then too. the situation and culture of the time was that 70% was natural to pay so it wasn't that big a deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 ......Swalwell -- "I don't feel too well" David Burge @iowahawkblog FollowFollow @iowahawkblog Breaking: freight ship laden with "President Swalwell" t-shirts seen steaming toward Bangladesh 8:33 AM - 8 Jul 2019 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 so who gets Swalwell's sole supporter and donor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: To be fair -- it's so f'ing early, people can't be bothered. Word on the streets is that those ladies were very excited to get their picture made with their granddaughters favorite rock and roll singer "bay ns say." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted July 8, 2019 Author Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: More... so sad. Can he give his poll #s to deBlasio so deB gets on stage again later this month? Edit: 0+1 = 1. Edited July 8, 2019 by snafu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 2 hours ago, reddogblitz said: The biggest problem with something like this is that the rich people with congress persons in their pocket can buy a nice loop hole so they and their cronies don't have to pay it letting the tax burden fall where it always does, the little guy. Same goes for the 70% marginal tax rate. How many people do you really think actually paid 70% in the 1960s. They had loop holes then too. It's not a 'problem' at all. It's how the system works. Nobody cares what their GROSS pay is. They only care what their NET pay is. The same is true for taxes. Nobody cares what their base tax rate is. They only care what their adjusted rate is after what you call 'loop holes'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 hour ago, B-Man said: ......Swalwell -- "I don't feel too well" His sole campaign message I got from the debates is "I'm younger than Joe Biden" and that cops apparently be fired without an investigation if someone dies. No questions asked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: His sole campaign message I got from the debates is "I'm younger than Joe Biden" and that cops apparently be fired without an investigation if someone dies. No questions asked. It seemed like a winning strategy. I am shocked he didn't last longer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 hour ago, snafu said: Can he give his poll #s to deBlasio so deB gets on stage again later this month? Edit: 0+1 = 1. the extreme opposite of the concept of Kingmaking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 2 hours ago, B-Man said: If someone had told me she'd be on the stage for round 2, and not the first "candidate" from those first 2 "debates" to drop, I'd have thought they were loonie. Well, loonier than she is. My biggest concern is people start to take her seriously, and we end up with President Williamson. Yikes. It is mildly amusing for a bazillion Rs to send her one dollar donations so she makes it to the next debate stage, but what if... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 2 hours ago, whatdrought said: Word on the streets is that those ladies were very excited to get their picture made with their granddaughters favorite rock and roll singer "bay ns say." ...didn't she just propose a $100 billion dollar Fed program for black home ownership?.......how can you classify obvious "exclusions" as racist?...nope, not a chance.....SMH... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 35 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...didn't she just propose a $100 billion dollar Fed program for black home ownership?.......how can you classify obvious "exclusions" as racist?...nope, not a chance.....SMH... back in the 1990s they forced the banks to give out mortgages to people of non-traditional homeowning demographics, because asking how you intend to pay back your mortgage was deemed racist. led in lockstep to the mortgage and banking crisis of 2008, a completely "we told you so" after this concept was twisted and turned in all fraudulent directions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, row_33 said: back in the 1990s they forced the banks to give out mortgages to people of non-traditional homeowning demographics, because asking how you intend to pay back your mortgage was deemed racist. led in lockstep to the mortgage and banking crisis of 2008, a completely "we told you so" after this concept was twisted and turned in all fraudulent directions ...DAMN good point and nicely done my friend......so how does her "vote buying proposal" differ today?....it doesn't......how can she fault "Mumblin' Stumblin' Bumblin' Joe Biden as far as working with Senate segregationists yet her proposal segregates "other than blacks" from the benefit?.... Edited July 8, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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