Democratic 2020 Presidential Primary Thread

[snafu]

3 hours ago, Nanker said:

Great topic. What I recommend they do is be forthright and honest and have their primary between an ass, a skunk, a worm, a snake, and a badger. 

 

I'd go with the badger every time.

 

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

It'll be a big field: 

 

Definitely Running

Clinton (will run again if not otherwise occupied)

Sanders (will run again - can't win)

Harris (leader out the gate - likely to get the nom or be the VP of an outsider)

Booker (won't win, will be laughed out of the race)

Warren (won't win, earlier than most expect exit)

Avanatti (won't win, early exit)

Cuomo (won't win)

Bloomberg (won't win)

Chris Murphy (won't win, early exit)

Holder (won't win, might be otherwise occupied)

Gillibrand (won't win, early exit)

Biden (won't win, might be otherwise occupied)

Patrick from Mass (won't win, early exit)

Landrieu (won't win, early exit)

 

Outside shot:

Iger (can't win national, might win nom)

 

no Kennedy?

[snafu]

I wonder if the party will retain superdelegates, and if so, how they will break.  Clinton had them all in the bag in 2016, making Sanders' improbable run nearly meaningless.

[boyst]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Whoever it ends up being, they are a sacrificial lamb ala Bob Dole. I do not think this is a Bill Clinton case (where Bush's popularity collapsed after being a record high, and a semi-reasonable third-party candidate showed up to split the vote).

 

I very easily see a 3rd party candidate making a major push; not sure any conservative has the audacity to do so.  But, pray that someone like Bernie Sanders enters the race as a 3rd party candidate.

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, snafu said:

I wonder if the party will retain superdelegates, and if so, how they will break.  Clinton had them all in the bag in 2016, making Sanders' improbable run nearly meaningless.

The superdelegates did not matter that much

[Rob's House]

2 hours ago, RochesterRob said:

  A high profile office is necessary in my mind for Chelsea to be taken seriously by most Dems as a POTUS nominee.  The problem is her reputation is that she is dumb as a box of rocks and lacks the Clinton cunning so I have issues that she could beat a somewhat proficient opponent.

Hillary never was that cunning and neither was Webb Hubbell.

[Buffalo_Gal]

32 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

I very easily see a 3rd party candidate making a major push; not sure any conservative has the audacity to do so.  But, pray that someone like Bernie Sanders enters the race as a 3rd party candidate.

Well if Bernie runs third-party that makes the D even more of a sacrificial lamb, not less of one.

I cannot believe a man that is 77 and looks 97 has a young-following. I've always scratched my head over that. Sure student loans, but he's as old as their grandfather... no great-grandfather, so ?‍♀️

[Deranged Rhino]

49 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

no Kennedy?

 

Probably will feel it out, could make a run.  

 

[Doc Brown]

7 hours ago, Magox said:

If Bernie were to win it he'd probably choose Kamala Harris to be his running mate.  Or Eric Holder.  He would need African American turnout to be pretty high and crazy uncle Bernie doesnt jazz up that part of the electorate.

It wouldn't surprise me if it was Spike Lee in today's political environment.

[reddogblitz]

13 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Probably will feel it out, could make a run.  

 

 

You also didn't mention Inslee.

[keepthefaith]

3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

It'll be a big field: 

 

Definitely Running

Clinton (will run again if not otherwise occupied)

Sanders (will run again - can't win)

Harris (leader out the gate - likely to get the nom or be the VP of an outsider)

Booker (won't win, will be laughed out of the race)

Warren (won't win, earlier than most expect exit)

Avanatti (won't win, early exit)

Cuomo (won't win)

Bloomberg (won't win)

Chris Murphy (won't win, early exit)

Holder (won't win, might be otherwise occupied)

Gillibrand (won't win, early exit)

Biden (won't win, might be otherwise occupied)

Patrick from Mass (won't win, early exit)

Landrieu (won't win, early exit)

 

Outside shot:

Iger (can't win national, might win nom)

 

You need to be careful what you post.  Your credibility 'round these parts is pretty damn high so when you top your list with Hillary, it's almost a guarantee and that is a ghastly thought. 

 

Let's hope the whole list runs.  The primary season will be a food fight for the ages. 

 

 

 

 

[The_Dude]

Biden or Booker is my guess. 

[RochesterRob]

14 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

You need to be careful what you post.  Your credibility 'round these parts is pretty damn high so when you top your list with Hillary, it's almost a guarantee and that is a ghastly thought. 

 

Let's hope the whole list runs.  The primary season will be a food fight for the ages. 

 

 

 

 

  It would be nice if "otherwise occupied" meant prison for Hillary but I think that fire has just about died out.

[Koko78]

38 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

Biden or Booker is my guess. 

 

Eh, I'd say Biden or Lieawatha. Booker is going to be exposed as a colossal dumbass during debates. Especially if anyone pushes him on his fake Spartacus nonsense.

 

I'm hoping for Uncle Joe. The human gaffe machine vs. The cheeto-dust golem will be fantastic television.

[/dev/null]

9 hours ago, Gavin in Va Beach said:

Some Dems are starting to hype up our former governor and Clinton pal Terry McCauliffe as a 2020 contender. He's got quite a few scandals surrounding him, going back to Global Crossing, but like the Clinton's always seems to come away without anyone challenging him on anything. He's always struck me as an amiable dunce who keeps lucking into one situation after another then escaping it before it starts to stink. If the media gets behind him who knows.

 

McCauliffe always struck me as a sleazy career political insider

2 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

I very easily see a 3rd party candidate making a major push; not sure any conservative has the audacity to do so.  But, pray that someone like Bernie Sanders enters the race as a 3rd party candidate.

 

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Well if Bernie runs third-party that makes the D even more of a sacrificial lamb, not less of one.
 

 

If there's a 3rd party challenge, it will come from Nanny Bloomberg

8 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

Neither would align themselves to Sanders.  They would want their own identity and wait until 2024 when there is a clear field.  There is almost no way Trump doesn't win 2020.  A year ago I'd be displeased and almost scared by that fact. Now, it's abundantly clear that not only have the Democrats lost their way but Trump is doing fairly well and at this point has earned reelection. Can't wait until Trump conspired with Eritrea allegations begin 

 

don't be so sure of Trump and the Republicans ability to not shoot themselves in the foot sometime in the next 25 months

[boyst]

I could see McAuliffe making a good run as a VP candidate if the whole house of Clinton doesn't come crashing down. He is the ideal Democrat.

[Rob's House]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Well if Bernie runs third-party that makes the D even more of a sacrificial lamb, not less of one.

I cannot believe a man that is 77 and looks 97 has a young-following. I've always scratched my head over that. Sure student loans, but he's as old as their grandfather... no great-grandfather, so ?‍♀️

He appeals to young people who are want to feel unique and independent. Interestingly, his  primary draw, at least for a large portion of them, isn't ideological. It's just that he's outside the mainstream. There is a considerable amount of overlap between those who support him and those who support Ron Paul, even though their core political philosophies are diametrically opposed to each other. 

 

Also, young people tend to be passionate, uninformed, and idealistic, which is very fertile ground for socialists.

2 hours ago, Koko78 said:

 

Eh, I'd say Biden or Lieawatha. Booker is going to be exposed as a colossal dumbass during debates. Especially if anyone pushes him on his fake Spartacus nonsense.

 

I'm hoping for Uncle Joe. The human gaffe machine vs. The cheeto-dust golem will be fantastic television.

I wish there was a way to get all conservatives to go around telling every liberal they know things like "I would vote for a Democrat if they nominated someone who's moderate and reasonable, like Cory Booker."

 

It would be the most entertaining Presidential race ever.

 

Spartacus 2020!!!

Edited October 11, 2018 by Rob's House

[The_Dude]

2 hours ago, Koko78 said:

 

Eh, I'd say Biden or Lieawatha. Booker is going to be exposed as a colossal dumbass during debates. Especially if anyone pushes him on his fake Spartacus nonsense.

 

I'm hoping for Uncle Joe. The human gaffe machine vs. The cheeto-dust golem will be fantastic television.

 

Who doesn’t love Biden memes?! Creepy Uncle Joe!

[snafu]

4 hours ago, /dev/null said:

 

McCauliffe always struck me as a sleazy career political insider

 

 

If there's a 3rd party challenge, it will come from Nanny Bloomberg

 

don't be so sure of Trump and the Republicans ability to not shoot themselves in the foot sometime in the next 25 months

 

You got that right. I can even see the republicans do everything right (barely) and also see the economy cycle down, setting up a 2020 battle. 

 

 

Edited October 12, 2018 by snafu

[DC Tom]

5 hours ago, /dev/null said:

 

don't be so sure of Trump and the Republicans ability to not shoot themselves in the foot sometime in the next 25 months

 

It's not that, as much as no matter what the Republicans do, I can't imagine the Democrats responding with anything other than "Hold my beer..."

[Doc Brown]

13 hours ago, snafu said:

I wonder if the party will retain superdelegates, and if so, how they will break.  Clinton had them all in the bag in 2016, making Sanders' improbable run nearly meaningless.

Superdelegates won't be counted on the first ballot this time, but that's not why he lost.  Sanders wouldn't have done as well if Clinton didn't clear the field of the more moderate candidates thinking of challenging Clinton (Biden, Cuomo, Hickenlooper, Klobuchar, etc.).  The Clinton machine deterred them from running.  Sanders was unique in that he was an Independent who just didn't give a damn about Hillary Clinton.  He just put his message out there and the individual donations came pouring in. 

 

If their were more serious contenders to Clinton, I think his positions would've been scoffed at like Ron Paul was in the 2012 primaries and suffered a similar fate.  However, now that he's well known and still popular with Democrats, Independents, and even some Trump voters (especially in the states like Michigan and Wisconsin where Bernie beat Hillary in the primaries), I predict he'll win the 2020 nomination if he runs to my dismay.  Trump showed that people crave authenticity, an outsider to the establishment, and somebody that's loathed by insiders in both parties.  Bernie Sanders fits that bill on the left.

 

Sanders also probably has the best chance to turn the "blue wall" blue again converting enough blue collar workers in those states away from Trump to carry some of those Midwest states blue that Trump won.  The flip side to that is he may have trouble with minority voter enthusiasm for him.  That's where the vice president pick will be key.  Or I could be wrong and we'll have a Harris/Warren ticket that's sure to lose.

 

 

[ALF]

Since Sanders will be 79 by the 2020 election I would count him out except for who he endorses might matter.

[snafu]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Superdelegates won't be counted on the first ballot this time, but that's not why he lost.  Sanders wouldn't have done as well if Clinton didn't clear the field of the more moderate candidates thinking of challenging Clinton (Biden, Cuomo, Hickenlooper, Klobuchar, etc.).  The Clinton machine deterred them from running.  Sanders was unique in that he was an Independent who just didn't give a damn about Hillary Clinton.  He just put his message out there and the individual donations came pouring in. 

 

If their were more serious contenders to Clinton, I think his positions would've been scoffed at like Ron Paul was in the 2012 primaries and suffered a similar fate.  However, now that he's well known and still popular with Democrats, Independents, and even some Trump voters (especially in the states like Michigan and Wisconsin where Bernie beat Hillary in the primaries), I predict he'll win the 2020 nomination if he runs to my dismay.  Trump showed that people crave authenticity, an outsider to the establishment, and somebody that's loathed by insiders in both parties.  Bernie Sanders fits that bill on the left.

 

Sanders also probably has the best chance to turn the "blue wall" blue again converting enough blue collar workers in those states away from Trump to carry some of those Midwest states blue that Trump won.  The flip side to that is he may have trouble with minority voter enthusiasm for him.  That's where the vice president pick will be key.  Or I could be wrong and we'll have a Harris/Warren ticket that's sure to lose.

 

 

 

Sanders is going to have a hard time convincing me that he's an outsider. He pulled an "if you can't beat them, join them" by putting his name in for leader of the Democratic Party immediately after the 2016 election (if I remember right). If he runs as an outsider, he will be running as a phoney. At this point, he's just another Democrat who's trying to drag his party further toward socialism, because now he's doing it from the inside. 

 

 

[dpberr]

Trump has a 50% approval rating.  

 

It doesn't matter who the Democrats put up in 2020 if it's that high at this time next year.

 

 

[Tiberius]

25 minutes ago, dpberr said:

Trump has a 50% approval rating.  

 

It doesn't matter who the Democrats put up in 2020 if it's that high at this time next year.

 

 

He does? Only on the Rasmussen poll which always gives him high numbers does he get to 50%. 

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

 

 

[ALF]

How the midterms turn out and the economy before the 2020 elections will be a factor. 

 

Going from one extreme to another just tears the country apart . 

[Buffalo_Gal]

In regards to Bernie running again (who knows, he may need a fourth house), it is unlikely because he is a registered Independent. The DNC added a new rule earlier this year mandating that you actually be a D to run... 
 

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) adopted a new rule on Friday aimed at keeping outsider candidates like Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) from trying to clinch the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020.
/snip

A presidential candidate running for the Democratic nomination must be a member of the party, accept the Democratic nomination and “run and serve” as a member.

DNC panel adopts rule requiring candidates to run, serve as a Democrat

 

[Koko78]

26 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

In regards to Bernie running again (who knows, he may need a fourth house), it is unlikely because he is a registered Independent. The DNC added a new rule earlier this year mandating that you actually be a D to run... 
 

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) adopted a new rule on Friday aimed at keeping outsider candidates like Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) from trying to clinch the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020.
/snip

A presidential candidate running for the Democratic nomination must be a member of the party, accept the Democratic nomination and “run and serve” as a member.

DNC panel adopts rule requiring candidates to run, serve as a Democrat

 

 

Bernie gets around that, due to a change in the state Democrat party rules for Vermont.

 

Quote

They also cite a resolution passed earlier this year by the Vermont state party affirming that any federal candidate who receives its endorsement “shall be considered a member of the Democratic Party for all purposes and entitled to all the rights and privileges that come with such membership at the state and federal level.”

 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/dnc-rule-democrats-bernie-sanders

[B-Man]

At 70, she´s the youngest of the Dem front runners............?

 

Run, Hillary, Run by Kyle Smith

Original Article   Can you feel the excitement? Hillary Clinton is in The Atlantic, telling us how democracy is in crisis. She is on CNN, telling Christiane Amanpour that only when Democrats win back both the House and the Senate, “that’s when civility can start again.”   (Snip)   Consider how Hillary Clinton is the embodiment of the Democratic party: Age: Hillary Clinton is 70. She, 69-year-old Elizabeth Warren, 75-year-old Joe Biden, and 77-year-old Bernie Sanders are the party’s liveliest, most dynamic figures, right up there with its Capitol Hill leaders: 78-year-old Nancy Pelosi, 79-year-old Steny Hoyer, and 85-year-old Dianne Feinstein, who is running for reelection.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[/dev/null]

14 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

[DC Tom]

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Where's Clinton?

[3rdnlng]

14 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Where's Clinton?

She hasn't made it up the steps to the stage yet.

[B-Man]

 

 

Trump finally drove Elizabeth Warren crazy enough to release her DNA.

 

That, or she’s likely running in 2020 and figured out that lying about her heritage wasn’t such a great look.

 

BREAKING: Elizabeth Warren releases her DNA test: Yes, she is Native American https://thebea.st/2CKTsB0

 

Yes, she is … well sorta.

 

As much as most Americans can likely claim.

 

From the Daily Beast:

Sen. Elizabeth Warren has taken the extraordinary step of releasing DNA test results that provide “strong evidence” that she has Native American ancestry, the Boston Globe reports.

Extraordinary step....................Alrighty then.

The analysis of Warren’s DNA was reportedly done by Carlos D. Bustamante, a Stanford University professor, and shows that she had a Native American in her family tree dating back six to 10 generations.

Six to 10 generations. LOL.

 

Is discovering she is 1/512th Native American the narrative victory Elizabeth Warren thinks it is?

 

We’re not sure this really helped Liz’s case.

 

 

 

 

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/10/15/heap-big-whoop-elizabeth-warren-releases-dna-to-prove-shes-this-much-native-american-and-omg-lol/

Edited October 15, 2018 by B-Man

[Albwan]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Trump finally drove Elizabeth Warren crazy enough to release her DNA.

 

That, or she’s likely running in 2020 and figured out that lying about her heritage wasn’t such a great look.

 

BREAKING: Elizabeth Warren releases her DNA test: Yes, she is Native American https://thebea.st/2CKTsB0

 

Yes, she is … well sorta.

 

As much as most Americans can likely claim.

 

From the Daily Beast:

Sen. Elizabeth Warren has taken the extraordinary step of releasing DNA test results that provide “strong evidence” that she has Native American ancestry, the Boston Globe reports.

Extraordinary step....................Alrighty then.

The analysis of Warren’s DNA was reportedly done by Carlos D. Bustamante, a Stanford University professor, and shows that she had a Native American in her family tree dating back six to 10 generations.

Six to 10 generations. LOL.

 

Is discovering she is 1/512th Native American the narrative victory Elizabeth Warren thinks it is?

 

We’re not sure this really helped Liz’s case.

 

 

 

 

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/10/15/heap-big-whoop-elizabeth-warren-releases-dna-to-prove-shes-this-much-native-american-and-omg-lol/

It helps because cnn, msnbc, huff, and esquire will all scream victory

and won't sorta retract with the real story until 3 days later.

I wonder if this means Trump will have to give her a million bucks now.

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Albwan said:

I wonder if this means Trump will have to give her a million bucks now.

 

[Koko78]

9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

That would be the ultimate trolling job for Trump to write her presidential campaign a check for $976.56...

[Alaska Darin]

I ate corn yesterday and plan on celebrating Thanksgiving.  That makes me as much a native American as fauxcohontas.

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said:

I ate corn yesterday and plan on celebrating Thanksgiving.  That makes me as much a native American as fauxcohontas.

She's a politician, what do you expect? Just because she is going to beat Trump in the election shouldn't make any difference 

[Joe Miner]

15 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said:

I ate corn yesterday and plan on celebrating Thanksgiving.  That makes me as much a native American as fauxcohontas.

 

If you'd like to participate in a bad land deal with me, we can cement your status.