Someone needs to be fired over Mahomes right now.

[Gordio]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

 Why 

Go back and read a little further Gordio

 

 

To the first question, I will spell it out for you.  The Bills needed a QB, they have passed on QBs before in the past.  2 potential franchise QBs were sitting right in their lap at #10 & they decided to do the very Billsy thing of trading down & drafting another CB.  Fast forward a year & half later & both QBs look to be keepers not to mention the guy we traded up for this prior draft looks to be very raw & there are a lot of questions about him.

 

2nd question, I guess he could of left the last sentence out.  Nothing really crazy though & certainly not worth a suspension.  I have seen much worse go unpunished on this board.  

[stony]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

You mean he lets the football people make the football decisions and he stays the owner that’s awful

If true, it's actually my favorite part of the Pegula's approach to franchise ownership. 

[Gordio]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

You mean he lets the football people make the football decisions and he stays the owner that’s awful

 

 

No, that he lets a guy run a draft that he had every intention of firing shortly after the draft.  

[DrDawkinstein]

32 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

My understanding (and take this however you like) is that Whaley ran that draft.

 

FWIW, Leroi was adamant that that was the case as well.

 

I'm happy to have it either way. Would just like some clarity and confirmation so folks could discuss properly here.

[17 Josh Allen]

Taking bets he will break the all time single season record. Great Job Buffalo Bills. 

[SDS]

2 hours ago, 17 Josh Allen said:

So if your tired of reading this thread then just don’t open it up any more and go about your business.

 

As the owner of the community, this is my business.

 

I have given fair warning that the constant vitriol in this topic towards other posters and events that occurred 18 months ago has run its course. I am willing to keep the topic open because Mahomes is having a season worth discussing. It will be closed if it is only going to be used as a base to launch weekly attacks on everyone.

[Rc2catch]

3 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

 

Go watch Mahome week 17 last year when he played 3 quarters of the game with all back ups.  He looked like he looks now.  Then read the Broncos post game comments.  Three quarters with backups was enough to sell them.

 

second, if you believe 85% of QB could put up the same numbers as Mahomes, then trading away a first and a third for a QB in a draft loaded with high end defensive talent, that KC is in dire need of, would seem like a poor way to use draft capital when you could have signed McCaron, Bridgewater, Keemum, Bradford, McCown, Tyrod, Cutler, Fitzmagic, etc.  I would contend that no where near 85% could, and thats why he went and got Mahomes

 

 

Alex Smith.. nuff said. How’s he look in Washington this year without those weapons? How’d he look last year in KC? 

This point of the season last year everyone was talking Alex Smith mvp of the league. 

Hes an average quarterback and always has been, but Reid was able to hide a lot of his inabilities and made him look pretty good. 

It wasn’t until mid to late season everyone figured them out. 

I’m in no way saying Mahomes is bad, just not worthy of the hype he gets on this board.

As far as week 17 last year I mean does that really say anything? That’s more a preseason game than say a playoff game?

If he was so lights out why run Alex Smith out for the playoffs?

If people want to jump on the Mahomes train so be it, not my place to judge. 

But at least wait to get too crazy until December and January when the games start meaning more, and defenses have the tape on this scheme Reid has been using. 

And maybe 85% is a large number lol, not saying they can match his stats exactly cause as I said he’s not a scrub. Let’s use Blake Bortles for example, I think he could have similar numbers through this many games in KC if he was on their team last year and had the offseason to prepare as the starting quarterback and Reid could gameplan and setup a playbook built to his strengths 

Edited October 22, 2018 by Rc2catch

[John from Riverside]

34 minutes ago, Gordio said:

 

 

To the first question, I will spell it out for you.  The Bills needed a QB, they have passed on QBs before in the past.  2 potential franchise QBs were sitting right in their lap at #10 & they decided to do the very Billsy thing of trading down & drafting another CB.  Fast forward a year & half later & both QBs look to be keepers not to mention the guy we traded up for this prior draft looks to be very raw & there are a lot of questions about him.

 

2nd question, I guess he could of left the last sentence out.  Nothing really crazy though & certainly not worth a suspension.  I have seen much worse go unpunished on this board.  

Is it really so hard to connect the dots

the following draft was supposed to be one of the better drafts

 

we were about to lose Gilmore I. Free agency

 

abd to be perfectly honest unless you have a predisposed opinion of josh Allen we don’t even know how this trade has worked out for us yet

 

maybe they just didn’t do it the way YOU wanted to do it which is ok

 

second challenging the mgt of this board when your in apparent violation of one of the rules is never a good idea

 

 

Edited October 22, 2018 by John from Riverside

[Real McClappy]

22 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Alex Smith.. nuff said. How’s he look in Washington this year without those weapons? How’d he look last year in KC? 

This point of the season last year everyone was talking Alex Smith mvp of the league. 

Hes an average quarterback and always has been, but Reid was able to hide a lot of his inabilities and made him look pretty good. 

Not wasn’t until mid to late season everyone figured them out. 

I’m in no way saying Mahomes is bad, just not worthy of the hype he gets on this board.

As far as week 17 last year I mean does that really say anything? That’s more a preseason game than say a playoff game?

If he was so lights out why run Alex Smith out for the playoffs?

If people want to jump on the Mahomes train so be it, not my place to judge. 

But at least wait to get too crazy until December and January when the games start meaning more, and defenses have the tape on this scheme Reid has been using. 

I'll take an "average" QB with a 73-33 record since 2011. KC went to Mahomes to take them to the next level which is happening before your eyes. 

Edited October 22, 2018 by Real McCoy

[starrymessenger]

3 hours ago, davefan66 said:

Hindsight allows us to look at the trade and see it was probably a bad move when strictly looking at Mahomes and his current season.  Yeah, looks bad.  Doesn’t mean he’d be this good here.  Much better offensive talent on the Chiefs, and a coaching staff getting their all from the team.  Can’t compare Allen and Mahomes unless they havensimiliar offensive talent and coaching.

 

If Allen does become a good QB, and White and Edmunds continue to play like they are, then maybe the trade is even.  

 

 

 

No doubt that, unlike Allen, PM was drafted into an ideal situation. The same smarts in evaluating talent on the offensive side of things that led the Chiefs to trade up for him is evident in their other selections as well, most notably in a couple of their mid round picks. They really don't miss much. And their competence goes beyond scouting and is equally evident in knowing how best to use the tools they have, in developing an overall philosophy and in implementing the practical applications through play design and in game play calling. Mahomes would have none of that in Buffalo so it's safe to conclude that his stat sheet would reflect that. 

Nevertheless he would still be the same extraordinary talent. Accuracy, field vision and arm strength were all things that were abundantly evident in his college tape. Footwork and the historically bad performance of air raid QBs transitioning to the pros were the negatives. Allen also has mechanical issues to address but the only positive things where he compares well with PM for now is arm strength and mobility. Unfortunately  the other things on the checklist, field vision, processing ability & consistent accuracy are by far the most important and the most difficult to develop. Mahomes showed that he could do those things early on.

I don't disagree with you that if Allen can develop into a franchise guy the trade down will look a lot better than it does today. I give Allen a better chance of reaching all or most of his potential than some other posters. To me he is/was entirely legit as a high first round selection so that even if he busts I would say the pick was justified by the talent. His physical traits are elite, and he often enough displays excellent accuracy, albeit not consistently. His intangibles are off the charts. But one also has to acknowledge the risk. If Allen succeeds he will be very much the exception to the rule. Nevertheless I continue to believe that he may very well prove to be that rare outlier we all hope he is. To me the risk reward profile is a lot more favourable than it was with EJ for example.

Edited October 22, 2018 by starrymessenger

[DrDawkinstein]

It's not just Mahomes.

 

KC is 7-0 on Coin Flips this season.

 

Whoever hired our coin flip caller instead of KCs should also be fired.

[LSHMEAB]

4 hours ago, Gordio said:

 

 

I was all in for picking Watson or Mahomes.  I have been on record about this.  I will admit my first choice was Watson which looks like that would of been a mistake too.  I hope Allen works out but I have serious doubts.  People that watch College Football & watched Allen saw that he wasn't very good.  My first choice was Darnold, followed by Rosen & then Mayfield.  I wanted nothing to do with Allen.  I think this was a case where a team falls in love with the big arm QB, problem is he has no idea how to play QB & he is not accurate.  I hope I am wrong.  

Yep. That's pretty much where I was at.

 

My first choice was Watson. I wanted no part of Trubisky and I wasn't really sure about Mahomes. I feel like I was correct in wanting to avoid Trubisky. Nagy is an offensive guru and Mitch simply doesn't react quicky enough to make the reads. Watson does not look like a franchise QB. I wasn't all that impressed with him even last season when he was putting up huge numbers. Patrick Mahomes looks like a generational talent. The worst thing a person can do is get stuck in a narrative and not adapt to the facts on the ground.

 

This season, I honestly didn't love any of the QB's, but Rosen and Mayfield looked like the best of the bunch. I STILL don't believe in Darnold, but time will tell. I wanted NO PART OF JOSH ALLEN. Way too many red flags. If the facts change, I will acknowledge that they've changed.

Edited October 22, 2018 by LSHMEAB

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

This makes little sense.

 

So Terry loved Mahomes but let Whaley trade down instead of take him and then said alright your fired for doing that? 

 

Why wouldnt he just say, "Doug, take Mahomes".

 

I don't buy it.

 

I thought that McDermott ran the 2017 draft because he won the power struggle over the Bills draft board.  IIRC, the story was that Whaley wanted Watson.  That would seem to make sense since he was officially fired the day after the draft, but that was when all the Bills cheerleaders were hyping the great Tre White pick and Mahomes was just this KC QB who was "nothing special".  Now that Mahomes seems to be "the real deal" and isn't a flash in the pan, the narrative is changing to lay the blame for passing on Mahomes -- and Watson -- on Whaley, but of course, McDermott still gets credit for the FA signing of Poyer and Hyde.   ?

[17 Josh Allen]

32 minutes ago, SDS said:

 

As the owner of the community, this is my business.

 

I have given fair warning that the constant vitriol in this topic towards other posters and events that occurred 18 months ago has run its course. I am willing to keep the topic open because Mahomes is having a season worth discussing. It will be closed if it is only going to be used as a base to launch weekly attacks on everyone.

I ask this respectfully. Where were you when the constant Vitriol was directed at me and jeffsmagic and others on why Mahomes should have been drafted by the Bills. It got so bad Jeffsmagic quit the stadium wall. I never saw any warnings from you about that. It was ok for us to get verbally abused on this forum and people cheered it on. I’m a big boy I can take it. Now the shoe is on the other foot and we see Mahomes is the next farve. So now that this is happening some of us are calling the Bills out for it. I want to hear from you on this subject and did you agree with the Bills trading with the chiefs. I guess what I’m saying is, why was it ok 18 months ago to give Mahomes lovers Vitriol

in these forums and nothing was done about it. Now we stand up for Mahomes and call the Bills out and the people who gave us Vitriol and now we’re the bad guys. How about be fair about this. I agree we need to keep it civil and respectful. But some of us are not happy with the way were were treated. This post is respectfully submitted.  

Edited October 22, 2018 by 17 Josh Allen

[Rc2catch]

22 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

I'll take an "average" QB with a 73-33 record since 2011. KC went to Mahomes to take them to the next level which is happening before your eyes. 

The next level is playoff wins??? Right? 

How many playoff wins does he have? 

Hit me up in February and let’s see

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

..this horse has been beaten more times than any recent Tuh-rod thread........good Lord.................

[SoTier]

31 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Alex Smith.. nuff said. How’s he look in Washington this year without those weapons? How’d he look last year in KC? 

This point of the season last year everyone was talking Alex Smith mvp of the league. 

Hes an average quarterback and always has been, but Reid was able to hide a lot of his inabilities and made him look pretty good. 

It wasn’t until mid to late season everyone figured them out. 

I’m in no way saying Mahomes is bad, just not worthy of the hype he gets on this board.

As far as week 17 last year I mean does that really say anything? That’s more a preseason game than say a playoff game?

If he was so lights out why run Alex Smith out for the playoffs?

If people want to jump on the Mahomes train so be it, not my place to judge. 

But at least wait to get too crazy until December and January when the games start meaning more, and defenses have the tape on this scheme Reid has been using. 

And maybe 85% is a large number lol, not saying they can match his stats exactly cause as I said he’s not a scrub. Let’s use Blake Bortles for example, I think he could have similar numbers through this many games in KC if he was on their team last year and had the offseason to prepare as the starting quarterback and Reid could gameplan and setup a playbook built to his strengths 

 

Dude, have you actually watched Mahomes play????   I was very skeptical of him last season and early this season, but that kid is special.  He'd be a star on just about any team he played on with the possible except of McDermott's Bills.  Andy Reid's offensive savvy simply enhances his natural talents but then he did that with most of his previous QBs as well ... Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick, Alex Smith, too.

[Bangarang]

With the way McD and BB have handled Allen’s development, does anyone have any confidence they would have brought the best out of Mahomes? It probably wouldn’t have mattered who we drafted because this regime is utterly clueless when it comes to offense.

[17 Josh Allen]

The Bills in my opinion would be 4-2 in Mahomes was their QB this year. 

[Real McClappy]

10 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

The next level is playoff wins??? Right? 

How many playoff wins does he have? 

Hit me up in February and let’s see

Time will tell all and we both agree there.

Mahomes as young as he is, is already better than Alex Smith. Give him a couple more years and you will see him in Super Bowls. He's already playing like a top 3 QB in the AFC. Where does that leave him once Brady and Ben retire in the next couple years? 

Good luck for your game tape to play out. KC is a DC coordinator nightmare right now with their weapons. 

Edited October 22, 2018 by Real McCoy

[RochesterRob]

4 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Dude, have you actually watched Mahomes play????   I was very skeptical of him last season and early this season, but that kid is special.  He'd be a star on just about any team he played on with the possible except of McDermott's Bills.  Andy Reid's offensive savvy simply enhances his natural talents but then he did that with most of his previous QBs as well ... Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick, Alex Smith, too.

  I think that Andy Reid is a major factor in why Mahomes is succeeding.  We don't have Andy Reid here.  A real world short term solution for Buffalo would be to hire the recently fired McCoy to come in to oversee the QB's.  If Kim Pegula reads this board then maybe she can drop a subtle hint to Beane that will appear to the public that Beane came to this conclusion on his own.  Kim : "There is money in our budget to bring McCoy in to oversee our QB's."  Hint, hint.

[thebandit27]

14 minutes ago, 17 Josh Allen said:

I ask this respectfully. Where were you when the constant Vitriol was directed at me and jeffsmagic and others on why Mahomes should have been drafted by the Bills. It got so bad Jeffsmagic quit the stadium wall. I never saw any warnings from you about that. It was ok for us to get verbally abused on this forum and people cheered it on. I’m a big boy I can take it. Now the shoe is on the other foot and we see Mahomes is the next farve. So now that this is happening some of us are calling the Bills out for it. I want to hear from you on this subject and did you agree with the Bills trading with the chiefs. I guess what I’m saying is, why was it ok 18 months ago to give Mahomes lovers Vitriol

in these forums and nothing was done about it. Now we stand up for Mahomes and call the Bills out and the people who gave us Vitriol and now we’re the bad guys. How about be fair about this. I agree we need to keep it civil and respectful. But some of us are not happy with the way were were treated. This post is respectfully submitted.  

 

I'll explain it again:

You didn't get mocked for liking Mahomes; half the board loved Mahomes. You got mocked for incessantly professing love for him nonstop in many threads day in and day out, and taking on a phony me-against-the-world diatribe that nobody could talk you down from.

[RochesterRob]

5 minutes ago, 17 Josh Allen said:

The Bills in my opinion would be 4-2 in Mahomes was their QB this year. 

  Doubt it.  We would be torched by opposing offenses since we would lack a shutdown corner such as what we have in White.  I know fans are tired but we can't keep turning over staff every couple of years.  Top level coaching talent such as Cowher was already was avoiding us and will just get worse as time goes forward.  The Bengals found this out and is one reason they are giving Marv Lewis every chance.

[17 Josh Allen]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

 

I'll explain it again:

You didn't get mocked for liking Mahomes; half the board loved Mahomes. You got mocked for incessantly professing love for him nonstop in many threads day in and day out, and taking on a phony me-against-the-world diatribe that nobody could talk you down from.

Vitriol no matter how many excuses you make is still vitriol. You just proved my point. So you admit to mocking. So that’s Vitriol why was there no warning then. 

 

 

[Watkins90]

28 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

It's not just Mahomes.

 

KC is 7-0 on Coin Flips this season.

 

Whoever hired our coin flip caller instead of KCs should also be fired.

Williams called heads at the two games (Minny and GB) I went to this year. We aren't winning coin tosses because we keep calling heads!! Tails never fails, duh!!

[Rc2catch]

1 minute ago, Real McCoy said:

Time will tell all and we both agree there.

Mahomes as young as he is is already better than Alex Smith. Give him a couple more years and you will see him in Super Bowls. He's already playing like a top 3 QB in the AFC. Where does that leave him once Brady and Ben retires in the next couple years? 

Good luck for your game tape to play out. KC is a DC coordinator nightmare right now with their weapons. 

Well it’s pretty cool you know the future, any chance you can dm me the winning lotto numbers? 

Not even half a season and you got the guy in Super Bowls filling Brady’s shoes? 

This sounds really similar to Watson last year, RGIII a few years back.. 

I hope you don’t think I’m saying the guy is trash, he’s not. He is obviously talented. 

But he hasn’t accomplished nothing in my eyes yet. As I said earlier I’d like to see a game or two without Hill and Kelce and see how many interceptions he throws, if he can still run a high octane offense, if it’s as easy to scramble around when defenses can actually play one on one coverage. 

Thats my point behind the whole thing. 

All anyone has seen so far is their offense running at 100%

No real adversity.

No real scheme changes or gameplans since everyone is healthy. 

Nobody makes it through a season with a fully healthy offense. Then maybe I’ll jump on the bandwagon and be willing to give him elite status. 

[John from Riverside]

21 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

I thought that McDermott ran the 2017 draft because he won the power struggle over the Bills draft board.  IIRC, the story was that Whaley wanted Watson.  That would seem to make sense since he was officially fired the day after the draft, but that was when all the Bills cheerleaders were hyping the great Tre White pick and Mahomes was just this KC QB who was "nothing special".  Now that Mahomes seems to be "the real deal" and isn't a flash in the pan, the narrative is changing to lay the blame for passing on Mahomes -- and Watson -- on Whaley, but of course, McDermott still gets credit for the FA signing of Poyer and Hyde.   ?

And the white pick is still great

2 minutes ago, 17 Josh Allen said:

Vitriol no matter how many excuses you make is still vitriol. You just proved my point. So you admit to mocking. So that’s Vitriol why was there no warning then. 

 

 

What point did he prove for you exactly

[thebandit27]

2 minutes ago, 17 Josh Allen said:

Vitriol no matter how many excuses you make is still vitriol. You just proved my point. So you admit to mocking. So that’s Vitriol why was there no warning then. 

 

 

 

I literally just explained it to you 

 

Do you honestly expect to spam the board nonstop and be treated with kid gloves?

[Rc2catch]

16 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Dude, have you actually watched Mahomes play????   I was very skeptical of him last season and early this season, but that kid is special.  He'd be a star on just about any team he played on with the possible except of McDermott's Bills.  Andy Reid's offensive savvy simply enhances his natural talents but then he did that with most of his previous QBs as well ... Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick, Alex Smith, too.

I have watched some of his games. 

I disagree he’d be a star on most other teams. He forces throws like crazy when the pressure is on. Some of his biggest plays are wide open receivers and the easiest reads ever. 

Hes not trash I do think he’ll be a good quarterback. Just not enough time played to give him any kind of elite status 

[SoTier]

Just now, RochesterRob said:

  I think that Andy Reid is a major factor in why Mahomes is succeeding.  We don't have Andy Reid here.  A real world short term solution for Buffalo would be to hire the recently fired McCoy to come in to oversee the QB's.  If Kim Pegula reads this board then maybe she can drop a subtle hint to Beane that will appear to the public that Beane came to this conclusion on his own.  Kim : "There is money in our budget to bring McCoy in to oversee our QB's."  Hint, hint.

 

I think that Mahomes would have been successful where ever he was if he had any kind of decent coaching and a decent supporting cast.  He's a special talent.

 

You are absolutely right that Allen needs a real QB coach, not a WR coach in need of a new gig so make him the Bills QB coach.   I've been on record -- and have taken lots of heat for it -- in saying that the Bills are setting up Allen for failure because they have failed to give Allen any kind of support:  not a first rate QB coach, not good receivers, not a solid offensive line.  IMO, he's the little kid that the Bills have thrown in the deep end of the pool to sink or swim as best he can ... and he'll also make a convenient scapegoat to take pressure off the Bills CS and FO for their failure to build a competitive team.  If you think I'm kidding, consider all the posters who are "okay" with the crappy team the Bills have fielded in 2018 "as long as Allen is learning the ropes".  

 

As Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold have shown, a team doesn't have to be totally inept on offense just because they have a rookie QB as their starter.

[Teddy KGB]

8 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I'll explain it again:

You didn't get mocked for liking Mahomes; half the board loved Mahomes. You got mocked for incessantly professing love for him nonstop in many threads day in and day out, and taking on a phony me-against-the-world diatribe that nobody could talk you down from.

 

And he’s doing it again.    If he toned it down about 65% it might be quality content.  

 

[Bill_with_it]

29 minutes ago, 17 Josh Allen said:

I ask this respectfully. Where were you when the constant Vitriol was directed at me and jeffsmagic and others on why Mahomes should have been drafted by the Bills. It got so bad Jeffsmagic quit the stadium wall. I never saw any warnings from you about that. It was ok for us to get verbally abused on this forum and people cheered it on. I’m a big boy I can take it. Now the shoe is on the other foot and we see Mahomes is the next farve. So now that this is happening some of us are calling the Bills out for it. I want to hear from you on this subject and did you agree with the Bills trading with the chiefs. I guess what I’m saying is, why was it ok 18 months ago to give Mahomes lovers Vitriol

in these forums and nothing was done about it. Now we stand up for Mahomes and call the Bills out and the people who gave us Vitriol and now we’re the bad guys. How about be fair about this. I agree we need to keep it civil and respectful. But some of us are not happy with the way were were treated. This post is respectfully submitted.  

I have now read it all a hof qb favre that was a dominant qb for decades is equal to a 2nd year player 8 games into his career under a 100% talent filled offense. Yikes.

[17 Josh Allen]

6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I literally just explained it to you 

 

Do you honestly expect to spam the board nonstop and be treated with kid gloves?

I’ve been a member on this board for over 20 years 

but you have thousands of more posts then me. So who is doing the spamming. ? 

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, 17 Josh Allen said:

I’ve been a member on this board for over 20 years 

but you have thousands of more posts then me. So who is doing the spamming. ? 

That's even worse, because you're not even acting like a 20 year old.

 

Bandit has contributed more to this board in one weight-lifting post than 99% of the posters here.  

[Reed83HOF]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

My understanding (and take this however you like) is that Whaley ran that draft.

 

FWIW, Leroi was adamant that that was the case as well.

Your post about Whaley making the trade was something I don't recall hearing before now. The information I recall centered around McD deciding to kick the can down the road and thought he could save Tyrod....

 

Edit:

I found it:

 

""A year ago, the Buffalo Bills were linked to Mitch Trubisky, partially by me. (It was) confirmed many times throughout the process... Doug Whaley (was) their GM at the time in Buffalo. I was told him and part of the front office really liked Trubisky. I think that's well-founded. They were higher on Trubisky than we were, but Trubisky looks pretty good. I think it was a good decision to be aggressive towards him. I know people close to Trubisky who said that, 'Yeah, he believed he was likely going to be a Buffalo Bill of all the teams out there.' You know a lot of teams liked Trubisky, obviously the Bears did too, but he thought himself that the Bills might be his most likely destination."

 

"But when Sean McDermott got there, (he) really won over a lot of that front office, a lot of that ownership group and they believed in McDermott. And McDermott believed in Tyrod Taylor and he said, 'Hey, let's kick the can on drafting a quarterback right now.' They didn't move up for Trubisky. They moved back and the Chiefs go up and get Pat Mahomes and they took Tre'Davious White, which they're definitely happy with, but they passed on basically two quarterback opportunities they had and that's not counting Deshaun Watson either...""

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/02/josh_rosen_to_the_buffalo_bills_is_what_ive_heard_repeatedly_says_eric_galko.html

 

Edited October 22, 2018 by Reed83HOF

[SDS]

31 minutes ago, 17 Josh Allen said:

I ask this respectfully. Where were you when the constant Vitriol was directed at me and jeffsmagic and others on why Mahomes should have been drafted by the Bills. It got so bad Jeffsmagic quit the stadium wall. I never saw any warnings from you about that. It was ok for us to get verbally abused on this forum and people cheered it on. I’m a big boy I can take it. Now the shoe is on the other foot and we see Mahomes is the next farve. So now that this is happening some of us are calling the Bills out for it. I want to hear from you on this subject and did you agree with the Bills trading with the chiefs. I guess what I’m saying is, why was it ok 18 months ago to give Mahomes lovers Vitriol

in these forums and nothing was done about it. Now we stand up for Mahomes and call the Bills out and the people who gave us Vitriol and now we’re the bad guys. How about be fair about this. I agree we need to keep it civil and respectful. But some of us are not happy with the way were were treated. This post is respectfully submitted.  

 

Eventually, those with poor social skills eventually find their way elsewhere. Nobody chases anyone way for posting quality opinions. However, people do get cranky when posters are obnoxious asshats.

 

Pro tip: There is NOTHING you can write in our community, either in 4/17 or in 10/18 that changes ANYTHING with the Buffalo Bills. Not a thing. The trade still occurs. KC still gets Mahomes, the Bills get Allen. Nothing changes. Whatever crusade you are on has no purpose. It literally ends in the abyss. You could convince 100% of the people here to agree with 100% of your opinions and nothing changes. So stop acting like it matters. It doesn't.

 

Fans come here as an extension of their entertainment experience with the Bills. If you decide to detract from that, if you decide to make this a worse place to visit because you want to re-litigate the 2017 draft, then this community isn't for you. We are here to enjoy each others company. Figure out how to be enjoyable to be around.

[TheElectricCompany]

22 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I have watched some of his games. 

I disagree he’d be a star on most other teams. He forces throws like crazy when the pressure is on. Some of his biggest plays are wide open receivers and the easiest reads ever. 

Hes not trash I do think he’ll be a good quarterback. Just not enough time played to give him any kind of elite status 

 

I guess we see what we want to see. 

He is blowing the doors off every elite QB in the league. 

I think he'd be great in any scheme. 

[RochesterRob]

13 minutes ago, SDS said:

 

Eventually, those with poor social skills eventually find their way elsewhere. Nobody chases anyone way for posting quality opinions. However, people do get cranky when posters are obnoxious asshats.

 

Pro tip: There is NOTHING you can write in our community, either in 4/17 or in 10/18 that changes ANYTHING with the Buffalo Bills. Not a thing. The trade still occurs. KC still gets Mahomes, the Bills get Allen. Nothing changes. Whatever crusade you are on has no purpose. It literally ends in the abyss. You could convince 100% of the people here to agree with 100% of your opinions and nothing changes. So stop acting like it matters. It doesn't.

 

Fans come here as an extension of their entertainment experience with the Bills. If you decide to detract from that, if you decide to make this a worse place to visit because you want to re-litigate the 2017 draft, then this community isn't for you. We are here to enjoy each others company. Figure out how to be enjoyable to be around.

  Bravo.  I want to see the people who whine 24/7 about Mahomes to produce the time machine that will secure a different outcome.  I would imagine quite a few people on message boards have pretty stinky lives but their "therapy" should be found elsewhere.  Their "contributions" produce nothing in the way of a positive outcome.

[17 Josh Allen]

5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Bravo.  I want to see the people who whine 24/7 about Mahomes to produce the time machine that will secure a different outcome.  I would imagine quite a few people on message boards have pretty stinky lives but their "therapy" should be found elsewhere.  Their "contributions" produce nothing in the way of a positive outcome.

Im not going to take the bait. I am smarter then that. I’m just calling it like I see it Mahomes is on pace to break the single season TD record. Enjoy the rest of your day fellow Bills fans. 

Edited October 22, 2018 by 17 Josh Allen

[SDS]

4 minutes ago, 17 Josh Allen said:

Im not going to take the bait. I am smarter then that. I’m just calling it like I see it Mahomes is on pace to break the single season TD record. Enjoy the rest of your day fellow Bills fans. 

 

Your 7 previous warnings suggest otherwise. Use this last chance wisely.