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On 11/24/2018 at 10:05 AM, NewDayBills said:

Gotta play the board though. Many people don't like Marquise Brown because of his size, that alone drops him out of the top 10 I think. Unless he comes into the combine at 180 and still insanely fast and explosive. Could happen. I've been clamoring for Marquise Brown just as long as anyone here has, just trying be smart about position while possibly stockpiling additional picks.

 

This is the 2018 NFL, size has zero barring on a WR.  All about the speed and separation.

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On 11/27/2018 at 10:50 AM, N.Y. Orangeman said:

I love Metcalf, even if it is at 9.  He is going to be special.  That being said, the depth in this class is incredible.

 

Yeah,  I don't care how Beane does it.  I want Metcalf on the Bills!

 

On top of his immense talent, he has the bloodline.  *Nephew of Eric Metcalf.  Pops played for the Bears.

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Jon Ledyard wrote up his scouting report of UB's Anthony Johnson:

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/11/22/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-anthony-johnson/

 

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Separation Quickness – Not going to blow anyone away with his natural tools in this area. Lacks the suddenness to be a quick early separator, but does vary his stride length enough to create some separation when he gets into a corner’s blind spot. What will his explosive traits look like against better competition?

Ball Skills – Has shown the ability to go outside of his frame and reel in tough catches. Strong hands and won’t drop many balls. Nothing particularly notable about his catch radius or ability to adjust to off-target balls. Adequate in those areas, but will also leave some opportunities on the table.

Speed/Vertical Ability – Average speed. Doesn’t have great acceleration off the line of scrimmage and won’t threaten off coverage considerably. Uses his hands well to get on top of defenders down the field. Shows a bit of a late burst to detach and create some separation at the top of the route, albeit against questionable/slower corners. It’ll be surprising if he makes his living in this area.

Route-Running – Much of his route tree is centered upon working the short-intermediate aspects of the field (hitches, drags, bubbles), but over the past two years he has lined up inside and outside and received opportunities to work the whole field. Probably going to be limited in his vertical impact at the next level, but does a good job of stacking defensive backs with a late burst down the field to separate. Will round off some patterns, and has a tendency to gear down a good bit and dead leg dramatically into his breaks.

Contested Catch – Again, Johnson appears adequate in this area and has made some contested catches in his two years at Buffalo, but corners who can get their head around and elevate at the catch point will be an issue for him. Definitely competes in the air and has good size and strength to win position. Lacks the athleticism and flexibility to really contort for or high-point the ball against tight coverage.

YAC – Savvy and instinctive after the catch. Knows how to make opponents miss and shows good body control to stop and work toward space. Very aware of oncoming defenders and will fight through tackle attempts for extra yardage. Not going to wow anyone with his explosiveness or home run ability, but capable maximizing the occasional bubble screen or turning out of a hitch to pick up yards.

Releases – Varies his releases up pretty good and has experience working against press coverage. Didn’t see any corners really challenge him physically at the line of scrimmage, so that will be something to watch on the All-Star circuit. Technically proficient with his releases, but isn’t overwhelmingly quick in his transitions, which will allow better athletes to mirror him off the line.

 

Blocking – Solid blocker, although in the six games I watched he wasn’t asked to contribute much in that area. When he was, got hands inside, sank his hips and drove his legs through contact. Could show more interest in getting involved as a blocker when the ball goes elsewhere.
 

Competitive Toughness – Checks the box in this area. Will fight through tackles after the catch to pick up extra yards and brings the edge every play. Doesn’t shy away from the physical aspects of the game and competes in contested catch spots.
 

Athleticism/Size – Pretty average in both areas. Doesn’t have great length, but is physical and plays strong. Not special athletically, but appears adequate. Testing will be important.


BEST TRAIT – Hands/YAC
WORST TRAIT – Speed/Separation Quickness
RED FLAGS – None
In my opinion, Anthony Johnson is the toughest kind of player to scout. He has no obvious weaknesses, but isn’t outstanding in any area either. He’ll probably check in around 6-foot-1, 200 pounds and test about average for that size at the Combine. Average sized receivers with no skill or athletic trump card coming from non-Power 5 schools are an absolute pain to scout. That’s why the Senior Bowl (assuming he gets invited) will be big for Johnson.
His best features are probably strong hands and impressive awareness and elusiveness after the catch, dropping few balls and showing the ability to create on manufactured touches. Johnson can work through contact at the line of scrimmage and in the air, but finishes are inconsistent and he doesn’t look explosive enough to separate from more athletic corners in man coverage. I love that he can play inside and outside right away in the NFL, and is a capable blocker, but Johnson ceiling may be a what-you-see-is-what-you-get possession receiver whose skill set will hardly be considered irreplaceable.

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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Marquise Hollywood Brown just left the Big 12 Championship Game on a cart

 

I admit I saw VERY little of him this year. Today I flipped in to see him drop 3 balls, one in the end zone (good defensive play, but stronger hands catch that). On the 4th ball thrown his way, he caught it but got hurt. They talked about how he’s listed at 5’10”, but suspected to be less and he struggled to get college offers because he weighed 138 lbs out of HS. 

 

I’m sure he’s MUCH better than my tiny sample size, but he’s not quite what I was expecting. He must be an electric little guy when healthy, but that’s not exactly what I was hoping for. There....now he’s a lock for the HOF. 

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39 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I admit I saw VERY little of him this year. Today I flipped in to see him drop 3 balls, one in the end zone (good defensive play, but stronger hands catch that). On the 4th ball thrown his way, he caught it but got hurt. They talked about how he’s listed at 5’10”, but suspected to be less and he struggled to get college offers because he weighed 138 lbs out of HS. 

 

I’m sure he’s MUCH better than my tiny sample size, but he’s not quite what I was expecting. He must be an electric little guy when healthy, but that’s not exactly what I was hoping for. There....now he’s a lock for the HOF. 

He definitely didn’t have a good game today 

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On 11/24/2018 at 9:01 AM, Ittakestime said:

Just like every year, trades really only happen in top 7 with QBs.  Good chance those will be gone before we pick.

The best trades are for QBs.  But many trades happen outside the top 7.  How did we get Dawkins(63)?  Zay(37)?  Edwards(16)?  Screw trading up.  Let's trade down and load up on picks in rounds 2-5

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On December 20, 2018 at 9:39 AM, DCOrange said:

Breakdown of one of my favorite WRs in the draft class. Would love to target this guy on Day 2 or early Day 3 depending on where his draft stock is by April.

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/12/19/video-content-stanleys-morgan-vertical-route-running/

 

 

 

 

I would LOVE to see Stanley Morgan Jr on the Bills roster. He has pedigree and to have rivalry in his home.

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19 hours ago, the skycap said:

I would LOVE to see Stanley Morgan Jr on the Bills roster. He has pedigree and to have rivalry in his home.

  I am a Nebrasaka fan and would to see Morgan drafted by the Bills as well, but honestly do not watch alot of college ball other than my two teams and the playoffs. Come combine and draft time i can't get enough, because it is obviously Bills related.

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On 11/25/2018 at 10:06 AM, Ittakestime said:

 

This is the 2018 NFL, size has zero barring on a WR.  All about the speed and separation.

Size and strength still 100% matter 

 

our own smurf receiver Mckenzie has been carted off two weeks in a row and he’s bigger than Brown 

 

now Brown has more talent but you need to be a tough WR if you are gonna make it as a little guy and way more fail than succeed 

On 12/22/2018 at 12:43 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...don't get to see college ball....anybody shed some light on Anthony Johnson and whether Bills should consider him in the later rounds?............hear his name mentioned here...

100% they should be thinking about him come the third round. He made Tyree Jackson , not the opposite 

 

He has good size, knows how to play a football and has deceptive speed

 

combine will be deciding factor where he goes

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I scoffed at early projections for D.K. Metcalf (2nd round).  He is now projected in the top 10 and the pre-draft process hasn't even began.

 

He pops off the screen in his highlight vids.  You'd have to be blind to not see the immense talent DeKaylin possesses.  He makes it look effortless and the pundits/scouts have taken notice.

 

Welcome to Buffalo.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

I scoffed at early projections for D.K. Metcalf (2nd round).  He is now projected in the top 10 and the pre-draft process hasn't even began.

 

He pops off the screen in his highlight vids.  You'd have to be blind to not see the immense talent DeKaylin possesses.  He makes it look effortless and the pundits/scouts have taken notice.

 

Welcome to Buffalo.

 

 

He certainly looks the part.  Freaky athlete.  But with the depth of the position, I don't want a WR in round one.  I'd rather grab one of the impact pass rushers in round one, and then grab Harmon/Samuel/Brown or whoever is the best remaining WR in round 2

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1 hour ago, SWATeam said:

He certainly looks the part.  Freaky athlete.  But with the depth of the position, I don't want a WR in round one.  I'd rather grab one of the impact pass rushers in round one, and then grab Harmon/Samuel/Brown or whoever is the best remaining WR in round 2

 

I know conventional wisdom is QB, LT, DE, but OBD would be doing Josh Allen a disservice NOT to surround him with the best weapons they can, to aid in his development.  

 

Unless it's a premier edge guy, I'll take Metcalfe, being that I see him as a premier wideout.

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18 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

I scoffed at early projections for D.K. Metcalf (2nd round).  He is now projected in the top 10 and the pre-draft process hasn't even began.

 

He pops off the screen in his highlight vids.  You'd have to be blind to not see the immense talent DeKaylin possesses.  He makes it look effortless and the pundits/scouts have taken notice.

 

Welcome to Buffalo.

 

 

 

Um, NO.

 

The kid is a walking injury that doesn't possess the quick acceleration and breakaway speed this league is going to.  It wouldn't surprise me to see Metcalf fall during draft process.  He is still going off potential because he never plays.

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1 hour ago, Ittakestime said:

 

Um, NO.

 

The kid is a walking injury that doesn't possess the quick acceleration and breakaway speed this league is going to.  It wouldn't surprise me to see Metcalf fall during draft process.  He is still going off potential because he never plays.

 

Um, YES.

 

I don't know where to begin.  He's already gone from projected 2nd rounder to "best WR in the class" standing.  "Falling during the draft process", when he possesses the best, most complete skillset of any wideout in the class?  Ok.

 

Doesn't seem like you bothered to watch any highlights or write ups of him because if you did, you wouldn't be questioning his speed.

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44 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Um, YES.

 

I don't know where to begin.  He's already gone from projected 2nd rounder to "best WR in the class" standing.  "Falling during the draft process", when he possesses the best, most complete skillset of any wideout in the class?  Ok.

 

Doesn't seem like you bothered to watch any highlights or write ups of him because if you did, you wouldn't be questioning his speed.

 

You are right I didn't watch highlights of him, I watched real Ole Miss games and he was barely on the field.

 

When he was, he looked like every Ole Miss WR out there.  It's a shame Ole Miss doesn't teach WR skills.  All Ole Miss WR do is rely on their god given ability and then are completely lost in the NFL because they weren't drilled on things such as route running, blocking, tracking the ball, hand placement, etc.  Go run down the field and the QB will maybe find you in about 5 to 6 secs.

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Been waiting for this: The Draft Network finally reviewed one of the WRs that jumped out at me last year during my QB scouting: Marshall's Tyre Brady. If you're tired of watching the Bills' WRs drop passes over and over, this is a guy that can fix that. His hands and body control are awesome IMO.

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/12/27/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-tyre-brady/

 

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Release – Has loose hips and good suddenness to quickly win angles at the line of scrimmage. Is a bit thin up top and does not have much play strength, but is feisty and will use his hands to keep his chest plate clear. Shows developed footwork at the line to win initial leverage and generate immediate separation, even against tight coverage in goal line and short yardage situations. Can get bullied by squatting zone corners and press corners who have freedom to play physically.

Routes – Benefits from suddenness and some good explosiveness. Can prove dangerous in a vertical third given stacking ability and burst, as well as body control and hard deceleration on deep comeback routes. Fluid into breaks but must work better at keeping a hard line out of his breaks and exploding out of his cuts; will get lazy and come out of his breaks soft. Does not show must deception at the top of his route stem, which may have a lot to do with the timing between himself and his quarterback; can get pushed into the boundary off the red line by larger and more physical corners.

Hands – Fantastic hand strength. Regularly makes away-from-body snags that require great flexibility and body control. Can maintain grip on the football through contact and make fingertip catches when necessary. Has some outstanding catches through contact up against the sideline, modeling plus concentration and great tracking ability. Flashes late hands against tight coverage so as to not tip off the corner.

YAC Ability – Illustrates the necessary physical traits to offer YAC upside through elusiveness and long speed. Especially interests in run after catch potential in a vertical third, with runaway speed available in his arsenal. Vision as a runner is currently a question mark, and sometimes gets lazy with ball security when he’s looking to evade tacklers. Toughness approaching contact is lacking.

 

Separation Ability – Regularly creates separation with quickness and good deceit at the line of scrimmage. Has the explosiveness to win on quick-breaking routes and is effective in RPO games and out of the slot accordingly. Could reduce his step frequency on tight breaks to be a little more snappy, especially on deep comebacks and curls. Could be more energetic separating against zone coverage, but again, offense’s simplicity and constraints could contribute to that.

Contested Catch Ability – Has excellent contested catch ability, especially downfield and against the sideline. Regularly turns shoulders and extends hands at the last possible second and has the strength to ***** the ball from the air and curl it back into his frame. Good length to attack the ball at the highest point, though leaping ability is currently a question mark — prefers to fall away from coverage as opposed to jumping into contact. A few more drops/PBUs when taking a hit across middle of field as compared to up against the sideline.

Functional Athleticism – A little light in the frame, especially up top — is not likely over the 200 pounds he’s currently listed. Lack of mass show sup when dealing with contact from defenders in the contact window and when attempting to break tackles; could benefit from an added 10 pounds. Has some decent length. Quickness, explosiveness, and long speed are all NFL-caliber and fit the profile of a slot or Z receiver.

Blocking – Is not an active blocker and does not have the physical profile to succeed as a blocker. Tries to keep everything at length and does not activate any full-body power. Would not like to initiate contact and rather screens things off from the side. Will get physical super far downfield, especially if he’s the last block between the ball-carrier and paydirt.

Versatility – While he should be kept away from the press and thereby not align often in the X position, offers NFL ability at both slot and Z receiver. Is particularly effective in the vertical stem and, given experience on timing routes, projects well into a Coryell style system. Could offer some special teams ability as a returner if vision checks out with the ball in his hands.


BEST TRAIT – Hands
WORST TRAIT – Blocking
RED FLAGS – 3 game suspension at University of Miami in 2015; transferred to Marshall thereafter
PRO COMPARISON – Josh Reynolds
VALUATION – Round 4
Though his numbers plateaued after his junior year quarterback Chase Litton left for the NFL, Tyre Brady played when enough in his senior season to rightfully earn a Senior Bowl invite. Brady wins with quickness and fluidity, and with his hand strength and body control on the sideline, offers some traits of an NFL role player, especially for offenses that really heavily on slot play. That said, his lack of physicality and narrow frame limit his special teams upside and leave him susceptible to press corners, which will likely relegate him to slot/depth play. Brady projects as a WR3/4 who has WR2 upside if he gets a bit bigger and stronger.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Been waiting for this: The Draft Network finally reviewed one of the WRs that jumped out at me last year during my QB scouting: Marshall's Tyre Brady. If you're tired of watching the Bills' WRs drop passes over and over, this is a guy that can fix that. His hands and body control are awesome IMO.

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/12/27/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-tyre-brady/

 

Love the way he's able to adjust to balls that aren't perfectly placed. Definitely the kind of player a QB like Josh Allen needs.

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3 hours ago, Ittakestime said:

 

You are right I didn't watch highlights of him, I watched real Ole Miss games and he was barely on the field.

 

When he was, he looked like every Ole Miss WR out there.  It's a shame Ole Miss doesn't teach WR skills.  All Ole Miss WR do is rely on their god given ability and then are completely lost in the NFL because they weren't drilled on things such as route running, blocking, tracking the ball, hand placement, etc.  Go run down the field and the QB will maybe find you in about 5 to 6 secs.

 

 

If you can't see D.K.'s talent, I can't help you.  Trust and believe he's going top 10-15.  

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On the DK Metcalf topic, Charlie Campbell had this to say:

 

Entering and during the 2019 NFL Draft process, Ole Miss wide receiver A.J. Brown has been the consensus top wideout prospect, but some in the media have projected teammate D.K. Metcalf to go ahead of Brown and be the more talented wide receiver prospect for the NFL. Seven games into the 2018 season, Metcalf went out for the year with a neck injury. He then did not waste time declaring for the 2019 NFL Draft prior to the New Year. In surveying team sources, Metcalf is a true love/hate prospect who has a big variety in his draft grade and where teams are projecting him to go. 

One team source said they thought that Metcalf (6-4, 230) would go in the No. 15-25 range of the first round. However, they said that depended on how his medical exam checked out and how he looked running the route tree in pre-draft workouts. One general manager of an AFC team that could take a receiver early said they were very down on Metcalf. They said they did not think that Metcalf could separate from NFL defensive backs and had given him a fourth-round grade. One other team source said they had Metcalf in the second round. 

Prior to his injury, Metcalf was playing well, although teams were focused on stopping A.J. Brown. Metcalf totaled 26 receptions for 569 yards and five touchdowns for his 2018. 

It was clear in conversations with sources that there was not a consensus regarding Metcalf, so his pre-draft workouts, medical exams, and interviews are going to be critical for where he ends up on team's draft boards. 

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N’Keal Harry. All I see him do is time deep balls perfectly. He’s so aggressive at the catch point it’s ridiculous. I could see him being the perfect weapon for Allen.

 

Could see us trading down from 9, or maybe he slips to round 2.

 

I know it’s not getting big accolades, but I really like this year’s receiving class. Lotta big lanky guys, and a lot of shifty slot types as well. 

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56 minutes ago, thunderingsquid said:

Yeah, watch us pass on the next Randy Moss.  Grr

 

As long as we don't trade up for him I'm interested.

 

 

I like him a lot, but a neck fracture is a scary injury. That HAS to clear out. 

 

And even if it does, I still might shy away just because of it.

 

personally though I like Harry the best. I think his ability to high point the ball is elite, and we love to throw deep, it’s a match made in heaven 

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33 minutes ago, Dkollidas said:

 

I like him a lot, but a neck fracture is a scary injury. That HAS to clear out. 

 

And even if it does, I still might shy away just because of it.

 

personally though I like Harry the best. I think his ability to high point the ball is elite, and we love to throw deep, it’s a match made in heaven 

 

He has a subtle but strong push-off move that would make Michael Irvin proud.  I like it.  

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23 hours ago, Dkollidas said:

N’Keal Harry. All I see him do is time deep balls perfectly. He’s so aggressive at the catch point it’s ridiculous. I could see him being the perfect weapon for Allen.

 

Could see us trading down from 9, or maybe he slips to round 2.

 

I know it’s not getting big accolades, but I really like this year’s receiving class. Lotta big lanky guys, and a lot of shifty slot types as well. 

I wouldn’t even mind taking Nkeal Harry at 9 if we can’t find a trade down partner and they don’t like any OL available. I feel he’s a perfect fit for Josh Allen and this tram givdn the emergence of Foster as the speedy burner. 

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...any interest?.....tabbed as #5 out of 203 and projected 1-3 round pick....Daboll saw him at Georgia....any interest?.........6'2", 200 lbs...4.44 in 40...............

Riley Ridley declares for the 2019 draft

Posted by Josh Alper on January 4, 2019, 4:39 PM EST

Wide receiver Calvin Ridley was taken in the first round of the 2018 draft by the Falcons and another member of the family will be available for the Falcons and the rest of the NFL in this year’s draft.
Riley Ridley announced on Twitter Friday that he will be leaving school in order to enter the draft. The younger Ridley is also a wide receiver and is a similar size to his brother, but there are some big differences from there.


Calvin Ridley was a standout for the University of Alabama and never caught fewer than 63 passes in any of his three seasons with the Crimson Tide. Riley Ridley, on the other hand, caught a total of 69 passes during his three seasons at Georgia and heads to the NFL without the same expected draft position as his big brother.

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15 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...any interest?.....tabbed as #5 out of 203 and projected 1-3 round pick....Daboll saw him at Georgia....any interest?.........6'2", 200 lbs...4.44 in 40...............

Riley Ridley declares for the 2019 draft

Posted by Josh Alper on January 4, 2019, 4:39 PM EST

Wide receiver Calvin Ridley was taken in the first round of the 2018 draft by the Falcons and another member of the family will be available for the Falcons and the rest of the NFL in this year’s draft.
Riley Ridley announced on Twitter Friday that he will be leaving school in order to enter the draft. The younger Ridley is also a wide receiver and is a similar size to his brother, but there are some big differences from there.


Calvin Ridley was a standout for the University of Alabama and never caught fewer than 63 passes in any of his three seasons with the Crimson Tide. Riley Ridley, on the other hand, caught a total of 69 passes during his three seasons at Georgia and heads to the NFL without the same expected draft position as his big brother.

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8 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...any interest?.....tabbed as #5 out of 203 and projected 1-3 round pick....Daboll saw him at Georgia....any interest?.........6'2", 200 lbs...4.44 in 40...............

Riley Ridley declares for the 2019 draft

Posted by Josh Alper on January 4, 2019, 4:39 PM EST

Wide receiver Calvin Ridley was taken in the first round of the 2018 draft by the Falcons and another member of the family will be available for the Falcons and the rest of the NFL in this year’s draft.
Riley Ridley announced on Twitter Friday that he will be leaving school in order to enter the draft. The younger Ridley is also a wide receiver and is a similar size to his brother, but there are some big differences from there.


Calvin Ridley was a standout for the University of Alabama and never caught fewer than 63 passes in any of his three seasons with the Crimson Tide. Riley Ridley, on the other hand, caught a total of 69 passes during his three seasons at Georgia and heads to the NFL without the same expected draft position as his big brother.


Guessing he goes at the end of the 1st or the first pick of Day 2. IMO, too steep for one year of solid production. If he slips to the third, sure -- but he won't.

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On 1/4/2019 at 6:05 PM, Ittakestime said:

 

 

Not sure about the separation bit, I think his speed is pretty evident on tape.   One thing that did stand out to me in the three games I watched is the guy runs one route.   Like a pass rusher who constantly uses speed to get around left tackles but overshoots the quarterback, Metcalf's bread and butter is to try and run around the outside of the cornerback and beat him on a go route, and its over and over again.

 

It's clear he is immensely physically gifted, but I think he is going to be over drafted based on his gifts and have to learn a lot on the fly about being a wideout.  

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