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Kelvin Harmon looks a bit like Michael Thomas to me. 

 

I am hesitant with big guys who struggle to create separation at the college level. That will continue in the pros and get worse. 

 

This looks like a great draft for WR help though. 

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26 minutes ago, Seoul_panther said:

 Buffalo are reported to have had a meeting with WR DeMarkus Lodge at the Shrine game.

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/01/14/team-prospect-meetings-shrine-week-day-one/

They should be meeting with every receiver they can. 

 

That being said I do wonder if he’s a hidden talent having played behind Brown & Metcalf. 

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1 minute ago, Dkollidas said:

They should be meeting with every receiver they can. 

 

That being said I do wonder if he’s a hidden talent having played behind Brown & Metcalf. 

TDN have a high opinion of him. “Top offensive prospect” at the shrine game.

 

 https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/01/13/5-shrine-game-prospects-primed-to-shine/

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True. Lodge is the highest rated receiver who isn’t though. Rated as 2-3 rd prospect. He would be good value from 3 on I would think.

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54 minutes ago, Seoul_panther said:

True. Lodge is the highest rated receiver who isn’t though. Rated as 2-3 rd prospect. He would be good value from 3 on I would think.

Agreed. Personally I like a lot of the guys in this class. It’s not super elite, but it’s really deep. TE as well. That’s why I think they should pursue OL mostly in free agency if possible. Use the draft for those wideouts and tight ends who can grow with Allen. 

 

I also wonder what kind of guys they’re looking for. I would assume they want to find another big lanky guy to be what Benjamin couldn’t (or wouldn’t because he’s too damn lazy). 

 

Harry is personally my favorite, but someone pointed out he makes quite a few body catches, and that makes me worry if he’s taking in darts from an arm as strong as Allen’s. 

 

Metcalf is a really really interesting guy, but he ran limited routes at Ole Miss, and the neck injury is a huge concern to me. 

 

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Of course Lodge was WR3 behind Metcalf and AJ Brown. Said to be a good runner with the caveat of a limited route tree at Ole Miss. 

Metcalf has a high ceiling. 1.9 maybe a little high for my liking though with the injury and a lack of production in college.

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I think the combine will start to separate a lot of these guys. I know it only takes one team to like a guy and take them, but this class is tough to gauge. Every WR in this class has big questions. I almost wonder if it might be a better idea to just draft Fant at #9 as he’s arguably the best offensive weapon in the draft. Brees has Jimmy Graham, Rivers had Gates, Brady has Gronk, Mahomes has Kelce. I think a game breaking tight end who can get mismatches could be our best bet to get Allen’s full potential. 

 

Fast enough to get separation from LB’s & Safety’s, big and athletic enough to have a large enough radius against corners. I’m talking myself into it more and more as I type. 

 

Also, I think Daboll has a thing for tight ends and that this offense will really be a lot more interesting with a good group of three tight ends (one free agent, one drafted & Croom). 

 

WR is also still a major need obviously. But Foster and McKenzie have shown something. I think they could get a guy like Lodge later on, and if they want that deep-threat type option, they could go after Marquise Brown. 

 

It’ll be an interestinf off-season though, that’s for sure. 

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The amount of receivers that look good to me is either indicative of a great class, me not knowing what I’m talking about, or me being desperate for weapons. 

 

 

Does anyone know of any places that have started doing pro-comps for WR yet? I saw where DJ and Bucky comped Riley Ridley to Michael Thomas, which is intriguing. 

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Every time I put on the Hakeem Butler tape I fall in love again. He's #WR1 for me. 6'6, 225 and he knows it and he makes sure everyone else on the field does to. Physical at the POA and runs every route. He lines up at the X, he lines up at the Z and he lines up in the slot. 

 

His tape is littered with examples of him winning v press, winning v off and winning v zone coverage. Unlike Metcalf he runs 15 different routes. Post/Go/Out/Curl/Fade are his five 5 favorite routes. His best games came against the best competition like Oklahoma, Texas and Washington State.

 

He's a young Plaxico Burress who went 8 overall to the Steelers in the 2000 Draft. Right now people will say #9 is too high for him but he's going to test well in the Combine and it won't be so far fetched. We have a young QB who needs weapons. Let's get him a weapon that corrects some of his accuracy mistakes because Butler can adjust and his catch radius is ridiculous. 

 

 

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I like Butler but at Pick 9? 

 

I see Chris Trapasso has the Bills taking him there..

 

Still a long way to go until the draft, but i can’t see him as the BPA if they stay at 9..

 

If he is the pick then they need to trade down..

 

 

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I was skeptical about Butler at first, but he may have a higher ceiling than D.K. I dont know if he lasts until the second round. We should trade back if we want him. 

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On 1/18/2019 at 6:23 PM, Aussie Joe said:

I like Butler but at Pick 9? 

 

I see Chris Trapasso has the Bills taking him there..

 

Still a long way to go until the draft, but i can’t see him as the BPA if they stay at 9..

 

If he is the pick then they need to trade down..

 

 

I watched Butler against West Virginia and Iowa and I see a very big guy who is a willing and good blocker, but I don’t see him getting open very often.   Granted, WV and Iowa outclass the whole Iowa State team, but what am I missing?

 

i went back and watched vs Oklahoma and he made some big plays in that game.  Still, I don’t see him getting open very often.  Most plays that I saw him make were contested plays where he was covered, but won anyway.

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13 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I watched Butler against West Virginia and Iowa and I see a very big guy who is a willing and good blocker, but I don’t see him getting open very often.   Granted, WV and Iowa outclass the whole Iowa State team, but what am I missing?

 

i went back and watched vs Oklahoma and he made some big plays in that game.  Still, I don’t see him getting open very often.  Most plays that I saw him make were contested plays where he was covered, but won anyway.

He is 6'6"...contested catches are how he makes a living. Mike Evans for Tampa Bay ran a 4.53 at the combine.  He had 1,500 yards receiving this past season with questionable play at QB.  He can outrun a few guys with some good route running but he mostly impacts the offense by being open when he's not.  Butler could be the hot name as we approach the draft.  

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On 10/6/2018 at 3:19 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Really want this kid too, great in the red zone and and boxes out CB s 

 

 

 

 

I like Anthony Johnson, Anthony Isabella, and JJ for the Bills

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There's not really any WR I like at pick #9. Maybe Metcalf, but I think they could trade down 4-5 spots and still get him.

 

This is a pretty deep draft for receivers and I think they could get a couple of guys in rounds 2-5 that can make an immediate impact.

 

On a side note, what happened to AJ Brown's stock? I remember him being rated ahead of Metcalf before the year, now he's being projected as a second or third round prospect.

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13 hours ago, Pete said:

I like Anthony Johnson, Anthony Isabella, and JJ for the Bills

 

ik its sacrilege to go against UB players, but im not a fan of Johnson. Heard a lot about Isabella but haven't seen him play.

 

 

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I was watching some game tapes of Mississippi WR DK Metcalf and then WR AJ Brown.

 

For sure, Metcalf has more than you could ask for physical tools, but top 10 is too rich for me from what I’ve seen so far.  I really liked AJ Brown - he is big at 6’1 225 strong pounds.  I thought that Brown was a smooth route runner who seemed to be very competitive and clutch.  He definitely seemed to make more plays than Metcalf.

 

I don’t know how high you’d need to take Brown, but if he makes it out of the first, I would be calling to see what it would take to move up to the top of the 2nd.

 

As I was watching games of Metcalf and Brown, WR Demarcus Lodge kept catching my eye.  He has some quicks and speed.  He showed enough for some consideration.

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Marquise Brown is very intriguing to me.  He could be a tyreek Hill type deep threat, with more developed Wr skills.  Has NFL bloodlines. His cousin is Antonio Brown and is working out with him.  Allen's ability to attack any part of the field makes having a guy like brown a premium.  The big open even when not open guy will be there in rd 2 or 3.  Rd 1 take elite athleticism.  

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14 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I really liked AJ Brown - he is big at 6’1 225 strong pounds.  I thought that Brown was a smooth route runner who seemed to be very competitive and clutch.  He definitely seemed to make more plays than Metcalf.

 

I don’t know how high you’d need to take Brown, but if he makes it out of the first, I would be calling to see what it would take to move up to the top of the 2nd.

 

As I was watching games of Metcalf and Brown, WR Demarcus Lodge kept catching my eye.  He has some quicks and speed.  He showed enough for some consideration.

 

I'd be scared of taking Brown in the 1st because I don't think he's going to be a true #1 in the NFL but I really liked what I saw from him in terms of route running, hands and run after the catch ability. He's really thick in the lower half and runs with purpose, hard to bring down.

 

He's what I've coined as a '2/3 switch' - a guy that can make a living on the outside vs press but has the ability to thrive as a big slot as well. Not a burner but can win vertically in contested catches, which is huge for him. He might not be the sexiest WR on the board but his versatility could be worth his weight in gold in a 16-game season.

 

One other thought about the Ole Miss WR's - they're all familiar with the orbit motion that Brian Daboll has used. Just a minor thing but coaches gravitate toward guys that already do what they do.

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3 hours ago, Blokestradamus said:

 

I'd be scared of taking Brown in the 1st because I don't think he's going to be a true #1 in the NFL but I really liked what I saw from him in terms of route running, hands and run after the catch ability. He's really thick in the lower half and runs with purpose, hard to bring down.

 

He's what I've coined as a '2/3 switch' - a guy that can make a living on the outside vs press but has the ability to thrive as a big slot as well. Not a burner but can win vertically in contested catches, which is huge for him. He might not be the sexiest WR on the board but his versatility could be worth his weight in gold in a 16-game season.

 

One other thought about the Ole Miss WR's - they're all familiar with the orbit motion that Brian Daboll has used. Just a minor thing but coaches gravitate toward guys that already do what they do.

I just don't see the Bills drafting a receiver with their first pick. If they were determined to do so I would suspect that they would trade down and then make the pick. If polled most of us would expect that because of his background the HC would take the best defensive lineman on the board, which is the strength of the draft. If we could trade down to the lower part of the first round and select a player such as Michigan's Winovich and accumulate picks that would be fine with me. 

 

If the Bills don't draft an offensive lineman in the first round, with a trade down or not, I'm hoping that we would use the second round to get a good line prospect. That unit has to be a priority in this offseason. 

 

There are so many options to consider. The bottom line is make your picks count. 

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12 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I just don't see the Bills drafting a receiver with their first pick. If they were determined to do so I would suspect that they would trade down and then make the pick. If polled most of us would expect that because of his background the HC would take the best defensive lineman on the board, which is the strength of the draft. If we could trade down to the lower part of the first round and select a player such as Michigan's Winovich and accumulate picks that would be fine with me. 

 

If the Bills don't draft an offensive lineman in the first round, with a trade down or not, I'm hoping that we would use the second round to get a good line prospect. That unit has to be a priority in this offseason. 

 

There are so many options to consider. The bottom line is make your picks count. 

 

I have expected either CB or DT to be the pick for a while now, even before the season. I don't see them jumping on a WR early unless they absolutely fall head over heels for someone. Beane & Co. have made a couple of solid investments in terms of capital at WR (trading up for Zay in the 2nd, Benjamin traded for a 3rd) so it's not beyond the realms to think that Day 2 will be when they target WR.

 

That 9th pick could be a key cog in the future of the roster. Pass rushing 3-tech or cover corner seems to fit the identity of the staff more than any other positions.

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