The Rosen Era Has Begun in Arizona

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, 87168 said:

Lamar Jackson is 4-1 as a starter, with the only loss coming from KC (of all teams) in overtime.

 

it's ok to be wrong.

Seriously?    His stats in the passing game are not stellar and he's a running QB that passes.

 

as to the teams he's played....  All of then have major issues this year. 

 

6-8 Cincinnati (worse record than the Browns),  3-11 Oakland,  5-9 Atlanta and 5-9 Tampa

 

46 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I said the day after the draft I would evaluate him fairly on what he does on the field for Buffalo. I would like to think people recognise I have kept to that. When he has struggled I have said he has struggled. When he has played well I have said he has played well. I think predicting him as the 2019 MVP is over optimism but I totally understand the positivity, he has taken a very obvious step since returning from injury - it is indisputable. At the moment things are trending the right way.

I knew you'd get with the Program     

 

[thebandit27]

40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

People just seem to presume I will have a bias towards my opinion pre-draft. Opinions are only worth having if you reserve the right to change them with evidence. People who think something once and therefore think it forevermore are fools. My only bias is towards the Buffalo Bills ?

 

I knew you'd be fair ?

[eball]

2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Allen had ups and Downs as has Rosen, and plenty of people are drawing plenty of conclusions.

 

Much of Allen’s fanfare has come from his mobility btw, which Rosen doesn’t have.

 

I'm not necessarily directing this at you, but it's a shame that Allen's mobility and rushing statistics are essentially being used against him in the evaluation of his QB play, while at the same time Lamar Jackson (with a much better supporting cast on offense) is being praised for his running ability while posting very modest passing numbers.

 

Edited December 18, 2018 by eball

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

23 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I'm not necessarily directing this at you, but it's a shame that Allen's mobility and rushing statistics are essentially being used against him in the evaluation of his QB play, while at the same time Lamar Jackson (with a much better supporting cast on offense) is being praised for his running ability while posting very modest passing numbers.

 

 

His day will come too. The NFL game has a limited tolerance for dual threat QBs it seems.

 

OK to be mobile early to bolster development. 

 

Eventually QBs need to grow their pocket passing ability. Lamar’s time will come too, I suspect. He has the benefit of just starting more recently and winning more. 

 

Wont be long before defenses are saying things like “keeping him in the pocket and making him play QB” for all these guys...   Unless it it doesn’t work. 

 

Either way the bigger point is the book on the QB draft class of 2018 is in its infancy. 

[87168]

2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Seriously?    His stats in the passing game are not stellar and he's a running QB that passes.

 

as to the teams he's played....  All of then have major issues this year. 

 

6-8 Cincinnati (worse record than the Browns),  3-11 Oakland,  5-9 Atlanta and 5-9 Tampa

 

I knew you'd get with the Program     

 

oh, so we discredit wins depending on the opponent? Allen beat Jacksonville (3pt diff) and Detroit (1pt diff). shall we discredit those wins as well? I see many lauding over Allen's performance on Sunday, yet never saw anyone state "yea but Detroit has had major issues this year". a win is a win. I know you want Jackson to be bad. You need it. Sadly, that's not happening.

 

you may want to enroll in a different program.

 

5 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Yeah, but he's doing it running an advanced version of the wildcat. That does not make him the better QB. 

so when JA runs for a QB it matters and counts towards their evaluation as a QB, but with Jackson, not so much. got it. 

40 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I'm not necessarily directing this at you, but it's a shame that Allen's mobility and rushing statistics are essentially being used against him in the evaluation of his QB play, while at the same time Lamar Jackson (with a much better supporting cast on offense) is being praised for his running ability while posting very modest passing numbers.

 

wasn't this the same metric being held against our former QB? People's biggest grip was his eagerness to run, instead of looking to pass. JA does the same thing (equating to less wins) and people love it. funny.

 

the Bills FO made it a point to say they were looking for a big pocket passer in the off season, then draft a mobile QB.

[C.Biscuit97]

Their passing numbers are very similar.  

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoseJo01.htm

 

i also think the talent around them is very similar.  The Cards oline is terrible, Johnson lacks explosion, and Fitz is the only good receiver they have and he isn’t the same.  

 

I will say say that I definitely expected Rosen to be further along than Allen and that clearly isn’t the case.  So that’s good on Allen.  Long way to go and both will need to get their qb ratings out of the 60s.

[GoBills808]

24 minutes ago, 87168 said:

 

wasn't this the same metric being held against our former QB? People's biggest grip was his eagerness to run, instead of looking to pass. JA does the same thing (equating to less wins) and people love it. funny.

 

the Bills FO made it a point to say they were looking for a big pocket passer in the off season, then draft a mobile QB.

I think this point loses a ton of credibility once you realize you're comparing a rookie to a 6 year veteran, and that's without acknowledging the turnover on the offensive line from last season to this. Not really relevant imo. 

[Royale with Cheese]

27 minutes ago, 87168 said:

so when JA runs for a QB it matters and counts towards their evaluation as a QB, but with Jackson, not so much. got it. 

wasn't this the same metric being held against our former QB? People's biggest grip was his eagerness to run, instead of looking to pass. JA does the same thing (equating to less wins) and people love it. funny.

 

the Bills FO made it a point to say they were looking for a big pocket passer in the off season, then draft a mobile QB.

 

Taylor and Allen aren't the same.  What's the reason why Allen has a big and giant open field when he runs and Taylor didn't?  It's because the defense didn't respect Taylor's ability to beat them with his arm.  Allen, they do.  He's going to take chances and shots...Taylor wouldn't.

 

Beane was specifically looking for a QB who can makes plays in the pocket in which Allen can do.  Just because someone can run doesn't make him a pure mobile QB.

[eball]

29 minutes ago, 87168 said:

 

so when JA runs for a QB it matters and counts towards their evaluation as a QB, but with Jackson, not so much. got it. 

wasn't this the same metric being held against our former QB? People's biggest grip was his eagerness to run, instead of looking to pass. JA does the same thing (equating to less wins) and people love it. funny.

 

the Bills FO made it a point to say they were looking for a big pocket passer in the off season, then draft a mobile QB.

 

The Bills fully expect and want Allen to be able to make plays from the pocket.  If you have been watching the last two games you see that he is starting to do just that.  In my opinion Allen's potential is far beyond Jackson's (or Tyrod's).  The surprising thing to most is just how athletic Allen is -- which should only be viewed as a positive.  He clearly wants to make big plays in the passing game, as evidenced by his average air yards per attempt.

 

We can all get together in five years and see who was right. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

35 minutes ago, 87168 said:

oh, so we discredit wins depending on the opponent? Allen beat Jacksonville (3pt diff) and Detroit (1pt diff). shall we discredit those wins as well? I see many lauding over Allen's performance on Sunday, yet never saw anyone state "yea but Detroit has had major issues this year". a win is a win. I know you want Jackson to be bad. You need it. Sadly, that's not happening.

 

you may want to enroll in a different program.

 

so when JA runs for a QB it matters and counts towards their evaluation as a QB, but with Jackson, not so much. got it. 

wasn't this the same metric being held against our former QB? People's biggest grip was his eagerness to run, instead of looking to pass. JA does the same thing (equating to less wins) and people love it. funny.

 

the Bills FO made it a point to say they were looking for a big pocket passer in the off season, then draft a mobile QB.

 

One is running almost exclusively because of designed runs; hence the characterization as a "wildcat" offense.  The other is running on scrambles. 

 

Jackson is a much worse passer, and it isn't even close.  Jackson is playing in a gadget offense that will be figured out in short order.  

[John from Riverside]

50 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Their passing numbers are very similar.  

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoseJo01.htm

 

i also think the talent around them is very similar.  The Cards oline is terrible, Johnson lacks explosion, and Fitz is the only good receiver they have and he isn’t the same.  

 

I will say say that I definitely expected Rosen to be further along than Allen and that clearly isn’t the case.  So that’s good on Allen.  Long way to go and both will need to get their qb ratings out of the 60s.

The passing numbers might be similar......but the eye test is glaring that they are not the same kind of difference makers for their teams

 

Allen CARRIES this offense

Rosen cant do that

 

Also when you figure that one of these guys was supposed to be pro ready.....while the other raw as hell.....well........

Edited December 18, 2018 by John from Riverside

[jr1]

Rosen plays like he's 38

[sleeby]

1 hour ago, 87168 said:

Bills FO made it a point to say they were looking for a big pocket passer in the off season, then draft a mobile QB.

 

The bills also went to the playoffs and so left themselves picking at 21.  Looking draft night, when the Bills did make their upgraded pick, who are you suggesting they should have picked?  Rosen?

[downunderbill]

8 hours ago, gobills1212 said:

Might as well just add me too as a precaution. 

Someone with 29 rep points acting like THAT is probably just too tempting honestly. 

If THAT makes you super sensitive just adding me now will save you getting your feelings hurt. 

Looks like xmas came early for you my friend!

Happy Holidays!!

 

I was tempted and it was way too easy. Just got tired of reading all his I'm holier than thou because I know Allen will suck posts.

 

[KDIGGZ]

6 hours ago, BillsMafia13 said:

All your 'truth" is doing you a lot of good now.  You deserve to have your fan card revoked after next year when Allen is looking like the real deal and Rosen is falling down chucking ducks.  SHAME

Allen is literally the lowest rated passer of the starting QB's in the entire NFL. His stats are very Tebow-esque. You don't have much of a leg to stand on either. Are you really that excited for a guy that completes 50% of his passes? If the defense didn't bail them out time and time again I think you guys wouldn't be so excited about an offense that only put up 14 points

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Allen is literally the lowest rated passer of the starting QB's in the entire NFL. His stats are very Tebow-esque. You don't have much of a leg to stand on either. Are you really that excited for a guy that completes 50% of his passes? If the defense didn't bail them out time and time again I think you guys wouldn't be so excited about an offense that only put up 14 points

Take a lap

[downunderbill]

On 10/22/2018 at 2:58 AM, WRONG JOSH said:

Josh Rosen is a highly touted rookie QB, albeit a struggling one at the moment. Josh Allen is a good athlete. I think Josh Allen would make a good H-back. Maybe we can sign him and Tebow and run the wing T offense because we sure as heck can't pass the ball with any consistency. Ground and pound baby!

 

If you guys think he's all of a sudden going to "get it" then you are delusional. He's never been a good passing QB at any level of competition. I hear a lot of people saying dumb things like Mahomes was a project and he panned out so Allen can too! You do realize that Allen has only had 2 300-yard passing games in his entire life right? Mahomes AVERAGED over 400 yards per game passing in college against much better competition. Different offenses sure but he showed a propensity to air it out and complete passes when given the opportunity. Allen is never going to be that guy. In today's NFL, 300 yards is a pretty average day for a good QB. We will never see that kind of passing attack under Allen. Maybe we can win some games with good defense but we will never be better than a .500 team +- 1 game until we get a QB that can consistently pass the ball down the field

 

How do you know the future with such certainty? We'll see next year how great Rosen will become. I'd say this year but he was benched for safety haha.

8 minutes ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Allen is literally the lowest rated passer of the starting QB's in the entire NFL. His stats are very Tebow-esque. You don't have much of a leg to stand on either. Are you really that excited for a guy that completes 50% of his passes? If the defense didn't bail them out time and time again I think you guys wouldn't be so excited about an offense that only put up 14 points

 

Both teams are depleted and thought to be far from competitive, with that in mind, how many games have Arizona won because of Rosen?

 

 

[thebandit27]

19 minutes ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Allen is literally the lowest rated passer of the starting QB's in the entire NFL. His stats are very Tebow-esque. You don't have much of a leg to stand on either. Are you really that excited for a guy that completes 50% of his passes? If the defense didn't bail them out time and time again I think you guys wouldn't be so excited about an offense that only put up 14 points

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, 87168 said:

oh, so we discredit wins depending on the opponent? Allen beat Jacksonville (3pt diff) and Detroit (1pt diff). shall we discredit those wins as well? I see many lauding over Allen's performance on Sunday, yet never saw anyone state "yea but Detroit has had major issues this year". a win is a win. I know you want Jackson to be bad. You need it. Sadly, that's not happening.

 

you may want to enroll in a different program.

 

Uh yeah.  The opponents DO matter.  

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

20 minutes ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Allen is literally the lowest rated passer of the starting QB's in the entire NFL. His stats are very Tebow-esque. You don't have much of a leg to stand on either. Are you really that excited for a guy that completes 50% of his passes? If the defense didn't bail them out time and time again I think you guys wouldn't be so excited about an offense that only put up 14 points

why not just go and follow the kid who you're holding so tightly by the jock strap instead of whining about who the bills chose to lead this team? in actuality, I mean, he and his team are doing so much better,  I'm sure they have room for a bandwagon fan like you.

 

wait, I'm sorry, I just noticed your profile photo. my bad, I see you're already an arizona fan.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

The passing numbers might be similar......but the eye test is glaring that they are not the same kind of difference makers for their teams

 

Allen CARRIES this offense

Rosen cant do that

 

Also when you figure that one of these guys was supposed to be pro ready.....while the other raw as hell.....well........

I think you underestimating how much Arizona sucks.  I also feel like you would work much harder to defend Rosen (how much his oline sucks, Fitz can’t get separation anymore, 1st time Head coach and OC) if we drafted him like you do with Allen.    

 

but I definitely expected more from Rosen at this point.  But both of these guys have worse numbers than EJ as a rookie, so there’s a long way to go.  I hope Allen proves to be the better Josh and #freeEJ

[thebandit27]

20 minutes ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Allen is literally the lowest rated passer of the starting QB's in the entire NFL. His stats are very Tebow-esque. You don't have much of a leg to stand on either. Are you really that excited for a guy that completes 50% of his passes? If the defense didn't bail them out time and time again I think you guys wouldn't be so excited about an offense that only put up 14 points

 

He is the team's entire offense.

 

Folks that knock him as Tebow-esque don't watch football; the two are nothing alike.  People bang the completion percentage drum because they box-score-scout, which is what I've been saying since March.  You should know, you and I both had Rosen as our QB1s (a position I haven't moved from by the way)...but even then I cautioned folks that judging this kid by completion percentage was foolish.

 

Since coming back from injury Allen has accounted for 1,152 of the team's 1,422 offensive yards (81%) and 7 of the team's 9 TDs.  That's absolutely absurd.

 

He's out there doing it by himself, and the team is actually competitive.  I know you're getting lambasted right now, but you might want to pull back the reins a bit on returning fire here.

[Beast]

Allen reminds me so much of a young John Elway that it’s scary. 

Edited December 18, 2018 by Binghamton Beast

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Binghamton Beast said:

Allen reminds me so much of a young John Elway that it’s scarey. 

So scary that you can’t even spell! ?

[Beast]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

So scary that you can’t even spell! ?

 

*****.....LOL

 

fixed

Edited December 18, 2018 by Binghamton Beast

[John from Riverside]

12 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I think you underestimating how much Arizona sucks.  I also feel like you would work much harder to defend Rosen (how much his oline sucks, Fitz can’t get separation anymore, 1st time Head coach and OC) if we drafted him like you do with Allen.    

 

but I definitely expected more from Rosen at this point.  But both of these guys have worse numbers than EJ as a rookie, so there’s a long way to go.  I hope Allen proves to be the better Josh and #freeEJ

A "pro ready" qb would overcome all those things right?

A "raw" qb should not be carrying his team right

 

I mean....lets be fair about this......how bad Arizona sucks takes NOTHING away from how bad Buffalo sucks on offense this year.....our OL is beyond horrid.....Allen should get sacked 5 times a game but doesnt....our RB's when they are even healthy have NO holes to run through......the most veteran WR we have cant be trusted to hang onto the ball and this is after we shitcanned a supposid number one who also cant seem to hang onto the ball despite being a HUGE receiver

 

We have no tight ends

 

Our Special Teams is a disaster

 

I think Allen is doing a much better job overcoming the suck ness of his team then Rosen is of his.....and one of these guys is supposed to be more pro ready out the gate.

 

sooooooooooo

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

A "pro ready" qb would overcome all those things right?

A "raw" qb should not be carrying his team right

 

I mean....lets be fair about this......how bad Arizona sucks takes NOTHING away from how bad Buffalo sucks on offense this year.....our OL is beyond horrid.....Allen should get sacked 5 times a game but doesnt....our RB's when they are even healthy have NO holes to run through......the most veteran WR we have cant be trusted to hang onto the ball and this is after we shitcanned a supposid number one who also cant seem to hang onto the ball despite being a HUGE receiver

 

We have no tight ends

 

Our Special Teams is a disaster

 

I think Allen is doing a much better job overcoming the suck ness of his team then Rosen is of his.....and one of these guys is supposed to be more pro ready out the gate.

 

sooooooooooo

He has Byron Leftwich as his OC.  And they averaged 1.5 points less than us and Allen has a great defense that keeps us on every game.  They are such different QBs too.  But yeah, I definitely thought Rosen would be further ahead than Allen at this point, and the fact it is close, is a tip of the hat to Allen.

 

that said, throwing a party with for a qb with a QBs rating in the 60s is a bit silly.  But without a doubt, Allen is a more exciting qb at this point. 

[BillsSB2020]

9 hours ago, pop gun said:

What's the point of being here if you have everyone on your ignore list?

 

I don't use the ignore feature, I read everyones post whether I agree with them or not, it's what makes this place go around. 

 

Don't really understand ignoring people but whatever.

Even worse when you feel the need to ANNOUNCE you're putting someone on ignore. Such a LAMP thing to do.

[KDIGGZ]

8 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

He is the team's entire offense.

 

Folks that knock him as Tebow-esque don't watch football; the two are nothing alike.  People bang the completion percentage drum because they box-score-scout, which is what I've been saying since March.  You should know, you and I both had Rosen as our QB1s (a position I haven't moved from by the way)...but even then I cautioned folks that judging this kid by completion percentage was foolish.

 

Since coming back from injury Allen has accounted for 1,152 of the team's 1,422 offensive yards (81%) and 7 of the team's 9 TDs.  That's absolutely absurd.

 

He's out there doing it by himself, and the team is actually competitive.  I know you're getting lambasted right now, but you might want to pull back the reins a bit on returning fire here.

Allen is getting yards by running around like an idiot. It's not a sustainable model for success. He will either get injured or eventually be too slow after years of abuse. I just think it's funny that fans of the NFL's lowest rated passer are making fun of the 2nd lowest rated passer or vice versa. If it makes you guys feel any better, I think Allen is a better fit for our team because he can run around and improvise behind this horrible line. Rosen will have his starters back next year and his OL will be much better. I had Rosen and Mayfield 1a and 1b. I'll take the pocket passer every time for lasting long term success

[John from Riverside]

Just now, WRONG JOSH said:

Allen is getting yards by running around like an idiot. It's not a sustainable model for success. He will either get injured or eventually be too slow after years of abuse. I just think it's funny that fans of the NFL's lowest rated passer are making fun of the 2nd lowest rated passer or vice versa. If it makes you guys feel any better, I think Allen is a better fit for our team because he can run around and improvise behind this horrible line. Rosen will have his starters back next year and his OL will be much better. I had Rosen and Mayfield 1a and 1b. I'll take the pocket passer every time for lasting long term success

Does the broken record every change its song here lol

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

19 minutes ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Allen is getting yards by running around like an idiot. It's not a sustainable model for success. He will either get injured or eventually be too slow after years of abuse. I just think it's funny that fans of the NFL's lowest rated passer are making fun of the 2nd lowest rated passer or vice versa. If it makes you guys feel any better, I think Allen is a better fit for our team because he can run around and improvise behind this horrible line. Rosen will have his starters back next year and his OL will be much better. I had Rosen and Mayfield 1a and 1b. I'll take the pocket passer every time for lasting long term success

oh, so now he's an idiot?

 

again, based of your profile photo I have to ask, why are you here? you seem to feel the bills QB is an idiot and continue to praise that other teams QB so which is it? are you a bills fan or an arizona fan?

 

just curious is all.

[leonbus23]

Rosen looks awful. He looks like Peterman from the Chargers games most of the time. If he could run, it would help his game for now. But he can't.  He's slow. 

 

So, the big question is: given equal offensive lines and weapons, who is the better passer? 

 

It's hard to know because both have lousy OLs and very few weapons. 

 

The big difference is that Allen can run and Rosen can't.  So, in the short term Allen can produce while Rosen cannot. But with good OLs and receivers and backs who will be the better passer? 

 

Even if Rosen becomes the better passer, he will never have the running ability. But will Allen stop running so much and throw in the future with better players? 

[KDIGGZ]

7 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

oh, so now he's an idiot?

 

again, based of your profile photo I have to ask, why are you here? you seem to feel the bills QB is an idiot and continue to praise that other teams QB so which is it? are you a bills fan or an arizona fan?

 

just curious is all.

I've had to deal with people bashing me all the way back when I had criticism for Trent Edwards. You think I'm going anywhere now? I represent the fans who can actually think for themselves and don't blindly follow a team which is led by different people every 3 years anyhow. Feel free to form your own opinions, I won't think of you as less of a fan. In fact I would think you more of a fan because you actually took the time to do the research and didn't just show up on Sunday and cheer for no other reason than that's your team

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

32 minutes ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Allen is getting yards by running around like an idiot. It's not a sustainable model for success. He will either get injured or eventually be too slow after years of abuse. I just think it's funny that fans of the NFL's lowest rated passer are making fun of the 2nd lowest rated passer or vice versa. If it makes you guys feel any better, I think Allen is a better fit for our team because he can run around and improvise behind this horrible line. Rosen will have his starters back next year and his OL will be much better. I had Rosen and Mayfield 1a and 1b. I'll take the pocket passer every time for lasting long term success

Then pull for the guy in Az, follow his trajectory and hope he has a great career. You can do that without  crapping on a kid doing his level best to win football games.  

 

The alternative is to keep coming back here and laughing at the fans excited for the guy that actually pilots their team, who has some fans excited and happy about the future, all while crowing about the guy you had as 1a who by your own standard has amounted to a whole bucket of suck to date, and for that matter is well behind the guy you had as 1b, showing your guess was as bad as most other guesses. 

 

 

 

 

 

[KDIGGZ]

9 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Then pull for the guy in Az, follow his trajectory and hope he has a great career. You can do that without  crapping on a kid doing his level best to win football games.  

 

The alternative is to keep coming back here and laughing at the fans excited for the guy that actually pilots their team, who has some fans excited and happy about the future, all while crowing about the guy you had as 1a who by your own standard has amounted to a whole bucket of suck to date, and for that matter is well behind the guy you had as 1b, showing your guess was as bad as most other guesses. 

I haven't posted in this topic in months and I had 5 notifications in my email all of a sudden today. I'm certainly not bragging to anyone  about how Rosen has played. He's bottom 5 worst QB in the league right now. But he's still a better passer than the guy the Bills have so I don't know why you are all on your high horse after a 14 point offensive effort. I'm just responding to folks that are feeling good about one of the worst QBs in the NFL so much so that they decided to dig up my post from October to brag

[CincyBillsFan]

9 hours ago, WhyteDwarf said:

 

I put Jackson on my list because I didn't think he had any business being drafted in the 1st round yet has taken Flacco's job and is 4-1 as a starter.

Jackson is an interesting QB and I hope the Ravens keep running him like it's college ball.  I know the conventional wisdom is that he'll get banged up and not last a full season but maybe the times they are a changing in the NFL.

 

I'm a big time college football fan and it's pretty impressive to see how much the NFL copies from the college game.  On offense almost all the innovation is happening at the college level not at the pros.  And one aspect of the college game is that most of the top offenses feature a true dual threat QB.  Now Jackson may be a better runner then passer but is he a good enough passer that if he stays healthy can win in the NFL over the long haul? 

 

It will be interesting to see but I'm open to the possibility that we're on the cusp of a seismic change in how the NFL views the QB position and how a QB manages their offense.  In my lifetime as an NFL fan I've seen the league go from the I formation with the QB under center to a hybrid that featured the I formation on 1st & 2nd down then a 3 receiver set with the QB in the shotgun on 3rd & long to most teams running a shotgun spread.  Maybe we're about to see another big change. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 minute ago, WRONG JOSH said:

I've had to deal with people bashing me all the way back when I had criticism for Trent Edwards. You think I'm going anywhere now? I represent the fans who can actually think for themselves and don't blindly follow a team which is led by different people every 3 years anyhow. Feel free to form your own opinions, I won't think of you as less of a fan. In fact I would think you more of a fan because you actually took the time to do the research and didn't just show up on Sunday and cheer for no other reason than that's your team

I was just curious. I never was one to root or gloat over another teams QB as you have with this rosen kid and at the same time call the bills QB an idiot.

 

hey, allen has room for improvement and I have no issue with criticizing him but at the end of the day, he is the bills QB and clinging to a QB you may of wanted in the draft is not going to take you to far with most bills fans, including myself.

 

but hey, enjoy watching your QB rosen and I'm sure you'll be following him real closely.

 

meanwhile, I'll be glad to watch allen continue to develop and I have the feeling he wont be following in edwards shoes or any of the other recent bills carousel of QBs.

[John from Riverside]

21 minutes ago, WRONG JOSH said:

I've had to deal with people bashing me all the way back when I had criticism for Trent Edwards. You think I'm going anywhere now? I represent the fans who can actually think for themselves and don't blindly follow a team which is led by different people every 3 years anyhow. Feel free to form your own opinions, I won't think of you as less of a fan. In fact I would think you more of a fan because you actually took the time to do the research and didn't just show up on Sunday and cheer for no other reason than that's your team

People are bashing you because you deserve it.

 

That is all

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, WRONG JOSH said:

I haven't posted in this topic in months and I had 5 notifications in my email all of a sudden today. I'm certainly not bragging to anyone  about how Rosen has played. He's bottom 5 worst QB in the league right now. But he's still a better passer than the guy the Bills have so I don't know why you are all on your high horse after a 14 point offensive effort. I'm just responding to folks that are feeling good about one of the worst QBs in the NFL so much so that they decided to dig up my post from October to brag

You have the wrong guy. My horse is a shetland pony. 

 

You typed that JA is running around like an "idiot". Your screen name is WRONG JOSH.  I didn't bother rating the qbs, I thought your Right Josh might struggle with the leadership role as he comes off as sort of a first class douche, but if my Wrong Josh became the Bills Right Josh I'd rally behind him. Why? Because hes the qb of our team.  There are literally thousands of fans who are happy to come trash this team, I see no reason to help them.  Maybe an outlet worth pursuing is to hop on the JR threads with the fans in Zona.  

 

At this point, you might as well go into a craft store and argue with someone that blue is a more chill color than red. Right Josh Wrong and Wrong Josh Right are both rookies.  Save the camel clutch for the time when JA is out of the league and JR is hoisting his 3rd Lombardi. 

Edited December 19, 2018 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Allen is getting yards by running around like an idiot. It's not a sustainable model for success. He will either get injured or eventually be too slow after years of abuse. I just think it's funny that fans of the NFL's lowest rated passer are making fun of the 2nd lowest rated passer or vice versa. If it makes you guys feel any better, I think Allen is a better fit for our team because he can run around and improvise behind this horrible line. Rosen will have his starters back next year and his OL will be much better. I had Rosen and Mayfield 1a and 1b. I'll take the pocket passer every time for lasting long term success

 

Hey little buddy. How ya been taking "right" josh's benching?

 

Pretty good or nah?