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31 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

This team could lose 47-3 every week this season and they will not be fired

No way.

 

The pressure will be on next year if this team wins 2, 3, or 4 games IMO. 

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12 minutes ago, skibum said:

Right now, this looks like one of the most poorly managed teams in the NFL, both in terms of identifying and retaining talent and managing the salary cap. I guess you have to put that on the GM more than the coach, but the talent part is pretty egregious on both sides. 

Who do you think they should have kept? Who shouldn’t they have signed. 

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5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

No way.

 

The pressure will be on next year if this team wins 2, 3, or 4 games IMO. 

 

Wrong again :lol:

 

These guys get a minimum of four years. Probably 5.

 

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If Allen is a hit, they're here as long as Belichick has been in NE.  

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One year into a total rebuild from top to bottom for the entire organization? Sorry, but this is not the time to jump ship and abandon what we all should have understood was needed years earlier. Maybe we can wait and see what they do with all the cap space and a couple more high draft picks before we grab the pitchforks and torches. Geez, I can't believe I'm even having to say this. I've criticized the organization when homers said we'd have a great season. Now I'm having to tell the haters to get real. SMH...

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Give it a rest folks.  We all cried about the endless mediocrity of the previous 17 years.  We all whined about not investing draft resources into a top QB.  We all b*tched about paying too much for mediocre free agents and the wrong drafted players.  

 

Our leadership (rightly) decided on strategies that required a patient, thoughtful approach instead of the half-assed model that was previously employed.  We all enjoyed breaking the streak last year, but it would have been foolhardy to think that we would be better this year.  This is OK, and it's also OK to take a deep breath and walk away from the keyboard.  This year will likely not be a lot of fun to watch, but just recognize that we're building towards better days and you'll feel better too.

 

Sometimes it takes being really bad for awhile before you can be really good.  

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2 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:

Give it a rest folks.  We all cried about the endless mediocrity of the previous 17 years.  We all whined about not investing draft resources into a top QB.  We all b*tched about paying too much for mediocre free agents and the wrong drafted players.  

 

Our leadership (rightly) decided on strategies that required a patient, thoughtful approach instead of the half-assed model that was previously employed.  We all enjoyed breaking the streak last year, but it would have been foolhardy to think that we would be better this year.  This is OK, and it's also OK to take a deep breath and walk away from the keyboard.  This year will likely not be a lot of fun to watch, but just recognize that we're building towards better days and you'll feel better too.

 

Sometimes it takes being really bad for awhile before you can be really good.  

 

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It's a Bovada line, not a WGR or Buffalo media. It's  +500 that he gets fired. Sunday was an absolute embarrassment & we had 3 games similar games last year. The playoffs were a fluke and if Allen is a bust, than get rid of them. Having as much dead cap, wasting the money we did on FA that will have little to negative impact, and preferring 5th round draft picks to All-Pro DT or capable backup QBs, is not acceptable.  

 

Rebuilding is one thing, not being competitive is completely other

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They have to fill the air time somehow.  

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Agree with OP entire post.. McDermott and Beane are safe this season.

 

They are safe next season also if they resemble anything near 8-8.

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They are very safe and they should be.   They have this year and next year.   If they are moving up then they have the next year to get to legitimate contender status. 

 

If by then they are not on a real path to contender, you fire Beane, not McDermott, and then let the new GM hire the next coach.  If Beane chooses to fire McD on his own you let him do itand you let him pick the next guy. 

 

Finally, you do NOT fire Bean until you have several EXPERIENCED GMs available that you can sign.

 

 

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The process (Cliff's Notes version):

 

2017 season: Evaluate what they've got and purge the dead weight.

 

2018 season: Draft a potential franchise QB. Accept the fact that it'll likely be a bad season due to the dead cap money.

 

2019 season: Add talent with all the cap space that they cleared in 2017. Higher expectations than 2018, but don't count on playoffs.

 

2020 season: The real fun begins, as the QB develops and the players acquired in 2019 start to gel. Should make the playoffs or, at worst, narrowly miss.

 

That's a minimum of four years. If the above happens, they'll be back in 2021. They'd have to show Rex-like ineptitude to get fired any sooner. On the flip side, if the Bills make the playoffs in 2019 or 2020, we'll be seeing contract extensions for Beane and McD.

 

 

 

 

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57 minutes ago, Marv's Neighbor said:

We need to remember that if/when there is a HC/GM opening, Buffalo is always a very hard sell.  There's a very short line of people waiting to come to Buffalo as either HC or GM.  That's how/why we have had such a string of losers along the way.

 

Having said that, I hope they are both wildly successful!

 

Possibly accurate at one time, for example the Gailey-Jauron era in Ralph's waning days when uncertainty surrounded the franchise. Not remotely true any more. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Flip Johnson said:

 

Possibly accurate at one time, for example the Gailey-Jauron era in Ralph's waning days when uncertainty surrounded the franchise. Not remotely true any more. 

 

 

 

If Beane and McD get fired after just two seasons, it will be a hard sell.

 

 

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Mike Schopp just referenced this a little while ago.

 

McDermott has the 3rd best odds to get fired of any coach in the league.  I.E., he's one of the most likely coaches to get fired.

 

Pegula has shown you how he operates, if you are paying attention.


It always looks good and like he supports his hires, right up to the moment when he fires them with lots of time left on their Ks.

 

Regardless, I think McDermott gets this season guaranteed, and probably all of next as well.

 

His fate rests in the hands of Josh Allen.  If Allen busts, and we have a horrible record this year and next, he'll be gone.


When he goes, Beane will go with him.  They are tied at the hip and McDermott is the principal in that relationship; he tells Beane what to do, not the other way around.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, BuffaloRush said:

Interesting tidbit from WGR...according to Jerry White there is a prop bet that places Coach McDermott as one of the 5 coaches most likely to get fired.  They gave him 1-5 odds of getting fired.  I know little about better but I am considering betting my life savings against it.

 

IMO, the Bills can go 0-16 and there’s no way Coach is getting axed.  There are a plethora of reasons.  The first is practicality.  In his first year McDermott led the Bills to the playoffs. Period.  That was unthinkable a few years ago, and breaking that streak was huge for both Coach and this franchise.  

 

Second are the Pegulas.  The love Coach and treat him like family.  They gave him a lot of power and authority and he delivered. 

 

The third is continuity.  The Pegulas are conscious of their reputation of getting rid of coaches.  They also know the history of the Bills.  Terry is rumored to have consultants to discuss business with and they will preach continuity as well.  

 

The last is that McDermott and Beane were probably very clear in the time their “process” would take.  I have no doubt that Terry gave Coach his word that he was committed to five years and would give him some time.

 

Either way, I’d put the odds if Coach McDermottt getting fired at 5%.  Jerry White said he feels McDermott is one of the safest coaches in the NFL.  I would agree.  What say you?

Listening to WGR this morning and they said McDermott was least likely to get fired he is nowhere near the hot seat....

You fire McDermott you might as well move the team to London. This team needs years to become good and firing a coach every 2 will never make them good.

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1 minute ago, Boca BIlls said:

Listening to WGR this morning and they said McDermott was least likely to get fired he is nowhere near the hot seat....

I think you're coming at it from a practical standpoint.  There is a gambling line on this in Vegas, where McDermott has the 3rd best odds in the league to be fired.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

This team could lose 47-3 every week this season and they will not be fired

I agree,  this is a 4 year process and we're just starting yr 2.

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1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I agree,  this is a 4 year process and we're just starting yr 2.

As I just wrote above, if we finish this year with a horrible record, and have another similarly bad record next year, all while Josh Allen flounders, they'll be gone end of next year IMO.

 

Not 4 years guaranteed at all.

 

 

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McD is too safe. Needs to take some gambles like starting his top 10 pick rookie QB over a guy who shouldn't be on a roster. Beane isn't safe at all though. Major trade ups on 2 guys that are high development, high ceiling players. That guy's swinging for the fences. Add in FAs coming off injury and trading for a WR with attitude issues, Beane is a risk-taker. Anything but safe.

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8 hours ago, BuffaloRush said:

Interesting tidbit from WGR...according to Jerry White there is a prop bet that places Coach McDermott as one of the 5 coaches most likely to get fired.  They gave him 1-5 odds of getting fired.  I know little about better but I am considering betting my life savings against it.

 

IMO, the Bills can go 0-16 and there’s no way Coach is getting axed.  There are a plethora of reasons.  The first is practicality.  In his first year McDermott led the Bills to the playoffs. Period.  That was unthinkable a few years ago, and breaking that streak was huge for both Coach and this franchise.  

 

Second are the Pegulas.  The love Coach and treat him like family.  They gave him a lot of power and authority and he delivered. 

 

The third is continuity.  The Pegulas are conscious of their reputation of getting rid of coaches.  They also know the history of the Bills.  Terry is rumored to have consultants to discuss business with and they will preach continuity as well.  

 

The last is that McDermott and Beane were probably very clear in the time their “process” would take.  I have no doubt that Terry gave Coach his word that he was committed to five years and would give him some time.

 

Either way, I’d put the odds if Coach McDermottt getting fired at 5%.  Jerry White said he feels McDermott is one of the safest coaches in the NFL.  I would agree.  What say you?

I agree with you.  This organization needs to stop giving head coaches two or three years and then move on to the next one.  McDermott and Beane should both be given 5 years for sure.  Let's let them work their process and see what they can do.

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1. If they don’t win a game this year, he will be fired

 

2. 3-5 wins, seat is very hot for ‘19

 

3. 6-9 wins, back next year

 

4. 10-15 wins, coach of the !@#$ing year. 

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