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Just now, SouthNYfan said:

 

Says the Alabama homer.

Guess who makes billions per year with "no credibility"?

ESPN.

Guess who makes nothing off his zero credibility?

You.

 

What did you say about Foster making the team again? 0 chance?

 

And what did you say about Coleman? Stone cold lock to make the team?

 

You’re consistent. Consistently wrong.

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17 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

That's REALLY unfair.  There's a very clear trajectory for guys like McCarron, the McCown trajectory.   He's a good guy, hard working, he keeps learning.  Because he's only marginal, he doesn't stick with teams.   Teams have to perceive a need for a guy like this.  The need grows as they get older, because they're important in the QB room.  They become solid backups.   But early in their careers, they move a lot, because they are only marginal - they are on the margins of being useful.  

 

Your backup QB is almost NEVER starter material.   Good QBs don't stay on the bench long.   But that doesn't mean he isn't or can't be a good backup.  

 

If he was the kind of backup teams love them why did we trade him?

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1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

 

What did you say about Foster making the team again? 0 chance?

 

And what did you say about Coleman? Stone cold lock to make the team?

 

You’re consistent. Consistently wrong.

 

Foster making the team is idiotic.

Cutting Coleman is idiotic.

We basically just traded a 7th round pick for $3.5 of dead cap and didn't even give him more than a couple of weeks to adjust.

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Just now, SouthNYfan said:

 

Foster making the team is idiotic.

Cutting Coleman is idiotic.

We basically just traded a 7th round pick for $3.5 of dead cap and didn't even give him more than a couple of weeks to adjust.

 

No, making dumb predictions is idiotic.

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Hedging your bets that Peterman can hold down the reigns until Allen is ready is a risky bet. Historical odds are stacked against Peterman playing at any kind of consistent NFL level. And throwing Allen into an offense with problems all over the field worries me.

 

I’d liked to have seen Allen stay on the bench until next year but I think he’s going to be seeing the field sooner than later in a season I’m not terribly optimistic about.

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2 hours ago, Paulus said:

That's a bald faced lie.

 

 

And, screw your false dilemma

 

 

It's right there in the thread dude. Look at Peace Frogs post, and the post quoted in it.

 

edit: haha, truce, there were 2 different posts we were looking at. We're both right or both wrong. I'll leave it at that.

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9 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

If he was the kind of backup teams love them why did we trade him?

Like I said, he's marginal.   That means he's useful to some teams, not others.  Bills believe either that the two they have are good enough to be starter and backup, or they believe they're just building for next season.   In either scenario, AJ was expendable.   Gruden has a different view of what he's doing and where his team is, and AJ offered him what he needed in a backup.  

5 minutes ago, eanyills said:

Hedging your bets that Peterman can hold down the reigns until Allen is ready is a risky bet. Historical odds are stacked against Peterman playing at any kind of consistent NFL level. And throwing Allen into an offense with problems all over the field worries me.

 

I’d liked to have seen Allen stay on the bench until next year but I think he’s going to be seeing the field sooner than later in a season I’m not terribly optimistic about.

Not much riskier than going with McCarron.   Neither has much experience, and neither has produced.  

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6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Funny, everyone was certain AJ was gonna be cut Sunday, now everyone is acting like they knew he wouldn’t be and that It’s no surprise and was obvious.  

 

Persoanlly, given the weakness at some other positions, I didn’t think we would keep 3 QBs given Allen has progressed well and doesn’t seem that far off from being capable of starting.  

 

But it also doesnt surprise me given none of the QBs are proven really in an actual NFL Game, all showed positives and negatives in camp and preseason, and our OL got 2 of them dinged up already this preseason.  

 

Do say everybody.  I argued that he would unlikely be cut.  He was going to be on the team or be traded.

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2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

Patriots have cut QB Danny Etling .........

He would be an excellent choice.  I mean, he's a UDFA who couldn't make an NFL roster, so he's certainly not going to come in and light the offense on fire, but he's spent an entire offseason with one of the best teams in the NFL, and they are good in part because of the way the emphasize a lot of the things Sean McDermott emphasizes: doing your job, attention to detail and personal discipline.  Secondly, he has learned the terminology of the Erhard-Perkins offensive system.  Given that Brian Daboll has spend a significant amount of time with New England under Josh McDaniel and runs the same system, there's going to be a much easier learning curve than if they pick up a castoff QB from a West Coast offense team.  Moreover, if Leslie Frasier wants to, he can always pick Ettling's brain on what the evil genius and Josh McDaniel have been doing this summer. 

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2 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

He would be an excellent choice.  I mean, he's a UDFA who couldn't make an NFL roster, so he's certainly not going to come in and light the offense on fire, but he's spent an entire offseason with one of the best teams in the NFL, and they are good in part because of the way the emphasize a lot of the things Sean McDermott emphasizes: doing your job, attention to detail and personal discipline.  Secondly, he has learned the terminology of the Erhard-Perkins offensive system.  Given that Brian Daboll has spend a significant amount of time with New England under Josh McDaniel and runs the same system, there's going to be a much easier learning curve than if they pick up a castoff QB from a West Coast offense team.  Moreover, if Leslie Frasier wants to, he can always pick Ettling's brain on what the evil genius and Josh McDaniel have been doing this summer. 

 

....great assessment and very informative.....:thumbsup:

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10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

That's my take. It's Beane's signing, and Dabol is familiar with him, so he has an advantage over the others.

Streater  doesn’t play teams though , does he ? A down the line WR has to play teams to have much value. 

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10 minutes ago, SDS said:

 

? 25% get a 980 or below on their SATs... 

 

7 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Work hard and you might get there.

 

Bama only required a 900 SAT score for entry prior to 2016 (switched to ACT now)

so yeah...

really high bar to shoot for bro.

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25 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

 

Bama only required a 900 SAT score for entry prior to 2016 (switched to ACT now)

so yeah...

really high bar to shoot for bro.

 

Wrong, but even if so, I’m have confidence that you can do it.

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1 minute ago, Turk71 said:

4.9 million and 2 years of 2 mil dead cap to a guy who never played a game. Coleman got 3.5 mil and will cost 2 mil in dead space I believe as well. Amazing use of resources.

 

It should have been a red flag when Cleveland was willing to give him away. They didn’t do there homework on that one.

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1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

 

It should have been a red flag when Cleveland was willing to give him away. They didn’t do there homework on that one.

 

I do agree with you there.

I was okay with the price (7th round pick) and I at least thought they'd give him a shot to play in the reg season.

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55 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

What did you say about Foster making the team again? 0 chance?

 

And what did you say about Coleman? Stone cold lock to make the team?

 

You’re consistent. Consistently wrong.

 

 

Foster hasn't made the team........he's on the current 53 man roster but there are 8 days before the opener and I expect they will be looking to replace guys like he and Pitts and then put them on the PS.

 

Foster is fun to watch run.......reminds me a bit of Peerless Price as a runner........ but man is he raw. 

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2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

It’s not a myth, it’s a reasoned supposition. I firmly believe Darnold will be better than Allen (although I hope he isn’t), and at the time Beane said repeatedly he hadn’t done his due diligence and wasn’t willing to pull the trigger. The Jets were ready, and I don’t believe for a second that the Bills preferred Allen to Darnold. The Jets simply beat them to the punch, although the Jets had a lot to offer too.

 

Yeah, he said that but it doesn’t mean trading to #3 was ever an option. 

 

Personally, I don’t think that was the reason. 

 

Indy said after the trade that they had other offers but they didn’t want to move down too far. 

 

Then on draft day, the Bills tried to trade from #12 to #6 and Indy once again refused. 

The Bills, obviously, landed at #7. 

 

I believe Indy was targeting the guy they drafted - Quenten Nelson, the only real stud OL in the draft, and knew he wouldn’t be there at #12. 

 

So, to get to #3 6 weeks before the draft, the Bills most likely would have had to go from #21to #12, then from #12 to #7, then #7 to #3. 

 

Has anything like that ever been done? I know for sure it has never been done 6 weeks before the draft. 

 

Then on top of all that, after giving up whatever it took to get to #3, they’d have to hope that the Giants didn’t sell the #2 pick, or the Browns didn’t take Darnold, which, at the time of the trade - 6 weeks before the draft, there was a lot of assumption that they would. 

 

IMO, the #3 pick was never a real option. 

 

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3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Foster hasn't made the team........he's on the current 53 man roster but there are 8 days before the opener and I expect they will be looking to replace guys like he and Pitts and then put them on the PS.

 

Foster is fun to watch run.......reminds me a bit of Peerless Price as a runner........ but man is he raw. 

 

You are on the team or you aren’t on the team. Foster is on the team. 

12 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

I do agree with you there.

I was okay with the price (7th round pick) and I at least thought they'd give him a shot to play in the reg season.

 

If it seems to be too good to be true, it probably is.

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7 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

You are on the team or you aren’t on the team. Foster is on the team. 

 

If it seems to be too good to be true, it probably is.

 

Yep as of this moment he is on the team. Next 48 hours will be telling though. 

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5 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

You are on the team or you aren’t on the team. Foster is on the team. 

 

 

 

No,  you're not on the team until you make it to that week 1 paycheck.

 

And even then if teams can't find 53 they are comfortable with thru the opening weeks they will keep the cheapest non-guaranteed contract guys to fill out the last few spots on the roster.

 

Vets contracts are guaranteed for 16 weeks if they are on the week one roster.......Foster's contract would not be and will run week to week.

 

I like his wheels and they desperately need a deep threat but it's entirely possible that he gets cut this week or swapped out for a vet next week and goes to the PS.

 

Seems like a PS lock now though.

 

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